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Old 30th January 2007
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Clean transparent amp

This is what I'm looking for...I have tried everything from Marshalls to Voxs to fenders...I'm really starting to dislike overdriven amp sounds. The best is what I have no and thats a twin but the twangys of the amp is starting to bother me...ANyone know amps out there that sounds clean but still ike an electric guitar without the twang...I'm thinking of **** like ABC's "Lexicon of love" album and stuff by The smiths..THanks
Old 30th January 2007
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What kind of guitar? What pickups? IMO, those will have more likelihood of causing "twang" than the amp.
Old 30th January 2007
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Epiphone Sheraton with standard pickups...Actually found that turning down the amp some and moving the mics I have back (when I'm recording) are very close to what I'm looking for...
Old 30th January 2007
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Originally Posted by Stoneroses6300 View Post
This is what I'm looking for...I have tried everything from Marshalls to Voxs to fenders...I'm really starting to dislike overdriven amp sounds. The best is what I have no and thats a twin but the twangys of the amp is starting to bother me...ANyone know amps out there that sounds clean but still ike an electric guitar without the twang...I'm thinking of **** like ABC's "Lexicon of love" album and stuff by The smiths..THanks
Not exactly a stellar guitar, if you don't mind me saying so.

If I can imaging what you are after then I'd suggest going for active pickups- maybe a strat with EMG single coils- Dave Gilmour uses these.

You might want to try a Hiwatt amp or a Mesa Mark IV.

Failing that maybe try a guitar loaded with Bartolini's.
Or a Fender Jaguar.

It is kinda hard to know what you are after.
Old 30th January 2007
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That's a very good guitar, Dude. I've owned a ****load of beautiful vintage guitars and I like those Sheratons a lot. I prefer the Casinos but the Sheratons are nice. I'd put it up against guitars 4 times the price. Not bad guitars at all. If you don't mind me saying.
Old 30th January 2007
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Not exactly a stellar guitar, if you don't mind me saying so.
I also have to disagree, the sheraddon is a great guitar, the best guitar for the money if you ask me!!! I own one one and it gets as much use as guitars that cost twice/three times as much!!

Anyway thats besides the point, you want a clean amp...

OK.. I think i know what you want, Because i have just bought an amp that ticks that exact box.. I just bought a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe, (my one is the ltd edition in bottle green leatherthumbsup thumbsup !!!) This amp is so full and creamy, nice top end but not harsh! the reverb is a little much, but the amp has become a firm favorite in the studio and on gigs!! I find the classic Strat / Fender combination amp works best to get that tone!! Its cheap as well!!!! If your wanna spend a lot of money, thy the matchless amps!!
http://www.fender.com/products/searc...tno=0213202000
Old 30th January 2007
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Ehrm... Glad you guys like the Sheratons- but I really don't.
Nothing particularly wrong with them- I just find them rather unremarkable.
Old 30th January 2007
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what about the ampeg's? used it on a session and really dug it!
Old 30th January 2007
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1. The Sheraton is a good guitar but the pickups are so-so. For clean I would install Seymour Duncan Jazz humbuckers.

2. Replace the 12's in the Twin. I've never liked the speakers that came with them. For smooth and clean I would recommend either EV 12L's or Celestion Vintage 30's.

The cleanest tube amps I have found are the old Sunn tube heads from the late 60's and early 70's: Sentura, Sceptre, the ones with the reverb and vibrato.
Old 30th January 2007
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I've heard and used these little genius amps and there are the biggest, clearest, punchiest little fvckers ever:

http://www.aer-amps.de/Sites/sites_ENG/start_E.htm

They're pricey but teenie and are great for gigging either rock or jazz.

-ashley
Old 31st January 2007
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The old Pearce amps were supposed to have great clean sounds (solid state) Musicman?

How bout that solid state Crate? Pretty cheap and good by all accounts.

Last edited by Blast9; 31st January 2007 at 04:24 PM.. Reason: Pearce not Pierce
Old 31st January 2007
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musicmann are great amps. if you want a really clean tone check out the JC120 made by Roland. as used by Andy Summers of the police.
Old 31st January 2007
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Hiwatt, yeah. Very Brit (Townshend, but he added a bucket-load of distortion). All the rage in the UK for the last few years.

Roland Jazz Chorus (solid-state) for a lot of Johnny Marr stuff. Clear as a bell.
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Jazz Chorus=JC 120 as mentioned by member before me. Probably the one I'd go for in your situation, as even Fender Twin distortion has been annoying you!!

Or you could try changing the valves on your Twin if you've still got it. What are the pre-amp valves, 12AX7s? You could try changing them for something lower-gain like NOS GE or Philips 5751s. You'd get a warmer/smoother tone that you might just like. I guess you'd need to have the amp biased afterwards but it might be worth it.
Old 31st January 2007
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Hiwatt --- That distortion comes from amp ccccrrrrrranked to uncomfortable levels (I've got a 50 watter which has got great power stage distortion with the master vol level all the way up, and the input at 11-12 o'clock.

I'd say the 100 watters are better at the pristine sound, but I can get some really bell-like tones from the neck pickup (definitely British in character)
Old 31st January 2007
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Have you considered a Fender Super Reverb.
I was also going to suggest the JC.
The two amps I own are a Fender Super Reverb and a Mesa Stiletto Ace.
I have no problems getting some beautiful tones without distortion on both those amps.
Old 31st January 2007
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Good call on the JC120 for Marr sounds. Also, it's not necessary to replace all of the preamp tubes, the trick is to replace V1 in the channel you're interested in. A 5751 does make a nice change, gives a little more headroom in the preamp stages, and does not require rebiasing. (Rebias only for power tubes, in this case your 6L6's.) In any case both of these are worth a try, and the 5751 is a very cheap, instantly reversible mod.
Old 31st January 2007
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Sorry for the double post, but I would recommend checking the bias on the twin as well. If it hasn't been serviced in a while you could be hearing some annoying cross-over distortion or other symptoms. I have a Showman with the same circuit as a Twin, and depending on how I bias it that amp can sound a LOT of different ways.
Old 1st February 2007
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The guitar is fine...the amp doesn't have enough headroom

Try a 100w tube head and don't crank the thing. You might try a Fender Super Reverb or old Twin. If you have the cash try a Bruno Cowtipper or Underground 30. If you really have money buy a Dumble Steel String Singer.
Old 1st February 2007
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+1 on the JC! You also might want to check out other jazzers like polytone etc... The old Ampegs can also be really nice...

I also love Sheratons... but a PU swap can help. The Duncan Jazz pu is really nice IMO.

Another Smiths fan!!
Old 1st February 2007
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Another vote for the jazz chorus.
Old 1st February 2007
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Thumbs up JC120 | Award-Session

JC120. thumbsup Lovely, lovely amps.

Funnily enough I'm getting some wonderfully clear clean tones through my Award-Session Sessionette 75mkII, it's a mosfet amp made in the UK in the late '80's which has tube-like characteristics, very smooth. From jangly to jazzy, it's all there.

Homepage is here: http://www.award-session.com/welcome.html

If you drop them an e-mail or phone call you'll probably get to speak with Steward Ward, the guy who designs all the Award-Session amps: A no-nonsense top bloke who is extreeeeemely knowledgeable and gives excellent customer service.

Dave.
Old 1st February 2007
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check out the JC120 made by Roland. as used by Andy Summers of the police.

I'd swear I'd read that Andy Summers used Marshall amps on all the Police recordings, but I could be mistaken.

Roland JC120 sure seems to be the universal consensus for a clean guitar amp, and I definitely like them for a lot of applications...but IMHO they are a very "colored" clean amp -- there's an awful lot of tone shaping going on even with the FX disabled & the tone controls set flat (sic). And sometimes what you want isn't JC120 clean but just completely flat, neutral, uncolored clean. If that's the case

...look at some bass heads. Try a PolyTone MiniBrute, or a Walter Woods, or an Acoustic Image. Run them into the speakers from your Fender Twin. Now *that* is clean & transparent...sometimes *too* clean & transparent; if your guitar sounds like **** these amps will reproduce that ****tiness in all its glory.
Old 1st February 2007
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Andy Summers definitely used 100W Marshalls, but he did use a Roland Cube from some point.

Pretty sure he used the Boss chorus ensemble as per he Smiths thread recently --- Apparently the same circuit as JC120
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