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Old 3rd September 2009
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Originally Posted by donsolo View Post
Not to rain on your parade but this IS the moan zone...


Being self-taught isn't some sort of accomplishment. It just means it took you longer to understand aurally what the "trained" composers understand intellectually. I'm not saying Danny Elfman, Hans Zimmer, Aphex Twin, Wes Montgomery et al are bad per se...

What I'm saying is that when you're self taught, you don't know the rules. So you go write something that you think is so friggin innovative and will really revolutionize the way we think about music but in the end, you just used a tritone substitution or modal interchange...

Danny Elfman for example loves the Lydian b7 scale...something that the "trained" music world has known about since about the 1950s. Aphex Twin is a pioneer in an industry where there aren't any teachers...his MUSIC isn't all that interesting, his sound design/synthesis is.

Hans Zimmer is a good example of a guy that sounds like he's trained. That is something that you can learn over time. Training just speeds it up.


Innovation really comes from a LOT of knowledge. Either that's through training or just a whole mess of listening.

Neither method is better, we just shouldn't be sitting around congratulating ourselves one way or the other.

So quit looking for affirmation ahahaha
This post sounds like a bunch of righteous twaddle to me...

The notion of being trained musically is meaningless...some of the worst musicians I know are "trained"...(just ask a classical musician to improvise!!)

I dont think that anyone would think that using a tritone sub would be innovative (provided they have listened to music at all)..it sounds to me that you post is about letting everyone know that you know some random technical musical terms.

Lydian b7 might have been named in the 50s but it has been used since god knows when...as has every other chord sequence/scale permutation...just listen to any Balkan type music.

Being self-taught IS an accomplisment as is being "trained" (again whatever that means)...being self-taught has a number of positives..i.e your not indoctrinated into what is right/wrong, and really can only rely on your perception/ears....this is why so much pop music that can "move you" is written by people with no musical knowledge (or limited)

Being trained also has positives....doesnt matter either way.

What is important is your output!