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Presidential mics?
Old 21st January 2021
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Presidential mics?

At Last! begone droopy single gooseneck 57, so representative of the former prezzie. Good riddance!

Welcome back the dual dynamic mics - they look so much more professional!

But hey - they do not look like 57s! Instead of Shure gray and tapered, they are shiny black and cylindrical - Could they be Beyer M-201s?

https://north-america.beyerdynamic.com/m-201-tg.html
I doubt that they are condensers - dynamics are preferred by the sound crew, so I hear.
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Old 21st January 2021
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Originally Posted by loujudson ➑️
At Last! begone droopy single gooseneck 57, so representative of the former prezzie. Good riddance!

Welcome back the dual dynamic mics - they look so much more professional!

But hey - they do not look like 57s! Instead of Shure gray and tapered, they are shiny black and cylindrical - Could they be Beyer M-201s?

https://north-america.beyerdynamic.com/m-201-tg.html
I doubt that they are condensers - dynamics are preferred by the sound crew, so I hear.
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At Last! begone droopy single gooseneck 57
righton! lol I hated everything about that!!!


well the one on the left looks like a 57 but the one on the right looks like it could be a 201 .. def not a 201 on the left ..there's no name ring ..and different sizes - also looks darker on the right, but it could just be the viewing angle
Old 21st January 2021
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Love seeing an American president speaking through microphones built in Mexico. Seems so globalist.
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Originally Posted by Jim Williams ➑️
Love seeing an American president speaking through microphones built in Mexico. Seems so globalist.
Even more poetic justice if they are German!
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Even more poetic justice if they are German!
lol - there's still a massive technological gap between the old and the new world! :-)



p.s. i do get to record/mix/amplify hi-profile talking heads quite a lot; if not using the gefells (indoors), i'm mostly using a pair of schoeps cmc6/mk41 though - just one mic actually; the second mic is for redundancy. yet another mic is mostly hidden on the podium somewhere in case things go awfully wrong: it used to be an sm58s in earlier days. unfortunately, it's mostly a wireless handheld these days (frequency coordination is a nightmare...)
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Old 21st January 2021
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The sound was appalling on the swearing in, Both Pres and Vpres way off mic.
What were those rifle mics ?
As for the music......
Old 21st January 2021
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Yes, but looked like long shots (816?). I thought, overall, that it sounded pretty good. Coulda sounded terrible and I would have still been okay with the whole thing.

Also seemed to be a pretty cabled setup. Gaga and JLo were both hardwired. Did anyone notice any obvious wireless?

D.
Old 21st January 2021
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I recall reading on another forum that the SM57 shells are used to Schoeps CMC641 capsules. Unfortunately I do not remember where. For those that know me, I am not the habit of unsupported statements, so take this with a huge grain of salt.

Andre
Old 21st January 2021
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SM57s with A55 shock mounts and A81WS foam.
One looks darker and shiny due to handling over the years.
I have a 57 that's as shiny, 20 years old!!!
Old 21st January 2021
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Daddy, this [censored] has got to stop!
- Little Enos Burdette | Paul Williams, Smokey and the Bandit II, 1980.
Years ago I worked for a company hired to supply sound services for a local Gerald Ford re-election rally. You may recall the way he got to be president was kind of like a billiards table trick shot. . .so I'm not certain it totally counts?

Anyway, Shure 57 mics were specified in the contract. And a considerable number of warnings about anything he might trip over were issued verbally.

If I were president [1], I would want something that would make me sound like James Earl Jones. My AEA A440 mic'ed close to engage that strong, persuasive proximity effect would hit the spot. I'd have to stay out of the wind though.


Then again, I wouldn't want to evoke images of Darth Vader.

Ray H.

[1] Not likely, as I generally view politicians as caricaturized by Big Enos Burdette | Pat McCormick.
Old 21st January 2021
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You're the leader of the free world, ferchrissakes. You get to choose your mic.
Old 21st January 2021
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At any outdoor gig, priorities! Number 1 is avoidance of wind-buffeting capsule overload, all else is secondary to that. I'm pleased the foam gags achieved it well.

An SM57 isn't going to have great distance reach though...would a pair of SM57 splayed out at 70-90 degrees have achieved better gain and podium width coverage than the same mics parallel ?
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Originally Posted by studer58;15247627/
An SM57 isn't going to have great distance reach though...would a pair of SM57 splayed out at 70-90 degrees have achieved better gain and podium width coverage than the same mics parallel ?
One mic is active, the other is a backup. WRT SM57/8s, do not my overlook about Shure shells for Schoeps MK 41 capsules.
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Originally Posted by avare ➑️
One mic is active, the other is a backup. WRT SM57/8s, do not my overlook about Shure shells for Schoeps MK 41 capsules.
One mic only being active makes sense from a phasing avoidance point of view.

If the Schoeps capsules story is true, it would put much pressure on those foam covers being effective in wind gusts...and I'm sceptical of that. Any MK41 owners here want to try their mics outdoors in a similar context and report back ?
Old 22nd January 2021 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by studer58 ➑️
Any MK41 owners here want to try their mics outdoors in a similar context and report back ?
see below - pls note that using such a massive windshield for s(h)ure would kill the pattern and yield weird results! therefore any rumours about mk41's being put in shure bodies AND getting used with these windshield are complete bs or then the techs are idiots...
Old 22nd January 2021
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Hmmm the "Schoeps inside a Shure 57 body" was a story I heard about the secretive Rudy Van Gelder.

I guess the "Schoeps SM-57" is mic choice of the Illuminati.
Old 22nd January 2021
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I don't know how it is handled currently but when I did my share of presidential speeches around Ohio we were working with the White House Communications Agency.

From the WWW: The White House Communications Agency (WHCA) provides premier communication systems that enable the President and the Presidential staff to lead the Nation efficiently. The Agency provides worldwide audiovisual, voice, and data communications support for the President, Vice President, Presidential Emissaries, White House staff, the United States Secret Service, and others as directed by the White House Military Office.

WHCA supports the President at the White House and in the Washington metropolitan area. In addition, they deploy teams worldwide to support Presidential travel missions.

WHCA sets up and records radio broadcasts for the President from any location around the world. WHCA videotapes Presidential movements, processes film from official White House photographers, and make video recordings for the White House and staff."


They setup the microphones and gave us a feed off their setup. It maybe different now but back when...they were the ones that were responsible for setting up the microphones and all things audio-visual. All the people who work for this agency were military but wore civilian clothes. Since I had been a broadcast specialist in the Army I had a good "in" with them.

FWIW
Old 22nd January 2021
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They has a three (SM57) microphone set up back in the day. I believe Reagan was the last President to use that set up.
Old 22nd January 2021
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Kim Jung Un uses up to 8 mics on a podium. He has more than any other leader.
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kim jong un (see pic) misses a few mics in this shot but otherwise seems to be living in the past (of which he spent a few years in switzerland)...

...and somehow reminds me of this person: anyone remembers this criminal? (see pic)

while we're at it: xi jinping can often be seen using sennheiser dynamic mics - i favour this array though (see pic)
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Old 22nd January 2021
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I can't remember the last time I used a SM57 on a podium/lectern (preferring Beta87A for the past 10 years or so) but I was really pleased with the sound of a Beta57 (and with the hypercard pattern) when I had to do a quick setup a couple of years ago in a hard, bright room without phantom power (straight into a jumpered pair of QSC K12s). The President (of the association) was pleased as well... even without a large foamie on the mic. MMV, but it worked for me.
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Originally Posted by deedeeyeah ➑️
while we're at it: xi jinping can often be seen using sennheiser dynamic mics - i favour this array though (see pic)
Counterfeited in Shenzhen, bought on Aliexpress, and sold on Amazon.
Old 22nd January 2021
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My fav Xi set up is in his state limo
Standing through the sunshine roof with 6 mics to address.

Thought US Broadcaster Pool did the Inauguration, the WHCA seems somewhat antediluvian, certainly on our state occasions, every word uttered is on mic, and every soldier in ceremonial attire.
The Master of Ceremonies is military and it all goes like clockwork.
I like the idea of Lady GaGa singing for Biden.
Oh Irony.
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deedeeyeah;

"while we're at it: xi jinping can often be seen using sennheiser dynamic mics"

But are they "real" Sennheiser mics?

D.
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"while we're at it: xi jinping can often be seen using sennheiser dynamic mics"
But are they "real" Sennheiser mics?
see below...



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Counterfeited in Shenzhen, bought on Aliexpress, and sold on Amazon.
lol - i remember mixing a group of mongolian overtone singers a few years ago (not at a presidential inauguration but at an embassy reception): one of them was really proud to carry his own 'sennheiser' (or was it neumann?) mic that he insisted on using it although i had the very same mics (which were requested long in advance) available...

i assume you can guess how poor it fared by comparison!
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They has a three (SM57) microphone set up back in the day. I believe Reagan was the last President to use that set up.
It was Bush. And it was all because the Queen of England was short. The story can be found in a couple different sites, but here's one.
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Yep, you are correct about Bush senior.

I seen the Shure video about these mics and I'm not sure they are correct about the fact that the Queen of England was the reason.

I recall my buddy who does sound for a lot of Presidential events, telling me that the extra redundancy was not applicable to them anymore. I believe, but not certain that third mic went to a Secret Service feed which was eventually not needed.

I will bring this discussion up to him the next time we chat to confirm my understanding about it.


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It was Bush. And it was all because the Queen of England was short. The story can be found in a couple different sites, but here's one.
Old 23rd January 2021 | Show parent
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Kim Jung Un uses up to 8 mics on a podium. He has more than any other leader.
He's so powerful he annuls the laws of physics....so no comb filtering.
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He's so powerful he annuls the laws of physics....so no comb filtering.
this is no different from what some individuals call an antenna-like array to achieve range...
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Originally Posted by avare ➑️
One mic is active, the other is a backup. WRT SM57/8s, do not my overlook about Shure shells for Schoeps MK 41 capsules.
I am sure (Shure?) that SM-57s are specified and must be used. I wouldn't use a condenser for such a high profile gig.

Plus I have heard from people who know that they are required to use 57s.
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