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Old 1 week ago
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Advice on manfrotto c-stand to hold boom, for sitdown docu..

hello,

i've read a few threads here about stands for recording sitdown documentaries in the studio, with some great advice.

previously we used k&m mic boom stands but i felt reach wasn't enough. so, this time i proposed we go with boom pole on a c-stand, via k-tek holder, fastened with manfrotto grip. for most flexibility and reach. km150 hyper on a rycote.

something like this: https://www.gearslutz.com/board/atta...-aea-atlas.jpg


i'm putting together an order from Thomann, and honestly am not sure if all this will work together. primarily because i'm unfamiliar with some of the connectors, grips and adapters in lighting stand world.

if you can throw a glance i'd much appreciate it:



c-stand and grip:

https://www.thomann.de/intl/manfrott...liding_leg.htm
https://www.thomann.de/intl/manfrott...head_2_1_2.htm

boom holder/cradle:

https://www.thomann.de/intl/k_tek_airo_abh1.htm
or:
http://smallhd.eu/k-tek-k-bc-boom-crable.html

boom:
https://www.thomann.de/intl/km_23765...shing_pole.htm



PS ive seen the manfrotto sandbags for the stand legs, but would also like to put one on the end of the boom. any suggestions?


thanks
Old 1 week ago
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I personally am not a big fan of these cradle boom holders. They are ok for the boom, but you will find that if you try and make a tilt adjustment to the rig once the boom is way extended, esp if it has a zeppelin on the mic, the boom will jump out of the holder and you suddenly need 3 hands to control the rig. Also, when lighting adjustments etc need to be made and you want to tilt the extended pole out of the way, the pole will slide downward in the cradle, and the whole thing is not very secure to pick up and move to a new position or set. I prefer a clamp arrangement like a Cardellini Clamp, which hold the pole rigidly. You have to be careful not to overtighten the clamp, as well as watch how leveraged the back section of the pole is, but this rig has been much easier to manage in a one-person dept situation.
Old 1 week ago
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The c stand ,sliding leg and grip are good
The boom is fair but the cradle is not
Clamp the boom to the c stand and use an Arri sand or shot bag as counterweight for long reaches.
Old 1 week ago
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Here is an inexpensive style boom holder.... https://www.amazon.com/Neewer-Microp.../dp/B00YEEDJF6

Your boom pole is not my cup of tea, but since this is a sit-down it will work.

I would bag the C-stand, but the chances that you will need to counterweight the boom pole is slight unless you are way extended with a very heavy mic setup.

Best!
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Originally Posted by David W. Jones View Post
Here is an inexpensive style boom holder.... https://www.amazon.com/Neewer-Microp.../dp/B00YEEDJF6
+1 for this style of boom holder. Rare that I need to counterweight the boom except with a main pair out at 18'.

I suggest that you invest in a "real" boom pole if you have any chance that you will ever need to hand-hold it.

D.
Old 1 week ago
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I personally am not a big fan of these cradle boom holders..
i see what you mean. while there will be more than one person managing it, but indeed it looks it might get problematic for minute adjustments.

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Originally Posted by philper View Post
I prefer a clamp arrangement like a Cardellini Clamp, which hold the pole rigidly. You have to be careful not to overtighten the clamp, as well as watch how leveraged the back section of the pole is, but this rig has been much easier to manage in a one-person dept situation.
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Originally Posted by Rolo 46 View Post
Clamp the boom to the c stand
i have thought of Cardellini clamp bfr, but wasn't sure which exact model should i get to fit the above C-Stand 25 and D200 Head Grip combination - could you perhaps recommend one that would work with these ?



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Originally Posted by David W. Jones View Post
I would bag the C-stand, but the chances that you will need to counterweight the boom pole is slight unless you are way extended with a very heavy mic setup.

Best!
thanks, yes i doubt we will need to extend to maximum. also, Neumann km150 is very light and it will be on rycote suspension only, no blimp.


indeed pole is nothing too special, but they will do very little booming on location for this series, most of work is done in the studio sitdown.

to clarify, i'm not the boom operator, only helping them optimize this setup (my job on the project is composing score and audiopost). i've done few docu series with this production co., and seeing how audio i received on the last season while okay most of the time, had room for improvement, i took interest in how to best set this up.
Old 1 week ago
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I have 2 Manfrotto boom clamps
They take 19 ,25 and 28 mm booms
I have a 3 section Panamic aluminium pole that extends to 18'
This will easily take a MS rig with a shot bag on the C Stand slider leg
Roger
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If you donโ€™t need a Boom pole, why not use a Latchlake 1100 Boom stand.
Itโ€™s an incredibly strong and stable stand-far superior to a K&M stand (I own both).
Hereโ€™s a video review that I found online.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WYX8Pwoj334

The Spin-Grip accessory ( shown in the video)
adds a lot of flexibility to mounting angle on the end of the boom arm.
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