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Headphones for outdoor recording use?
Old 12th December 2019
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Headphones for outdoor recording use?

Getting a new location recording set up for the occasional bits I do for my sound design work. Have been recommended the Senn HD25 by several people, but I HATES them, I hates them so much. They just don't fit me at all and always cause me pain.

Also I'd like something with some isolation.

Having a look around here, the DT250s and Sony MDR7506 get mentioned a lot, but seemingly in very old threads. I wonder if there's something more recent work checking out for a durable, well isolated set of cans?
Old 12th December 2019
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If you've struggled with an uncomfortable fit and lack of isolation, try the Beyerdynamic DT700 80-ohm. They offer a great balance of lightweight, comfortable fit (nothing on the ear), and killer sound. Avoid the 250-ohm version for lack of bass, as well as the 880s and 990s since they won't have enough isolation.

Listen enough on the DT770s, and other headphones *will* start to sound funny...
Old 12th December 2019
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Try David Clark 10S DC headphones, excellent
sound quality, excellent sound isolation and very comfortable. I literally can wear them for hours without needing to remove them due to discomfort.
Old 12th December 2019
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I'd recommend Shure SRH840s. I like them enough to keep a spare pair in a box in case my day-to-day ones fail.

As always, it's best to audition headphones if you can. What works for my ears might not work for yours.

Chris
Old 12th December 2019
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I suggest trying the beyerdynamic DT240 pro. I replaced my 7506's with them. I felt they had a flatter sound and replaceable cable is nice. If you don't mind the size Monoprice M565c are what I use now. Best sound by far and easy to drive and best isolation. I even use them as ear protection if something is too loud :p They are the toughest too.

Others: 7520 are okayish.
Audeze Sine with over-ear pads or Oppo Pm-3s are about equal to the monoprice. I sold those keeping monoprice as my only closed back headphones that I use for everything as far as location recording but it's a tossup depending on preference/fit but Id say those 3 are the best without price as a consideration.
(My studio headphones are Raal SR1a's)
Old 13th December 2019
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The new Neumann NDH20 are outstanding and reasonably priced. My standard now.
Old 13th December 2019
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Location cans need isolation , efficiency and comfort, plus rigorous build quality, SQ is useful but hifi is not imho
They get considerable abuse, they must survive rain ,cable tug and and drop test
Ive tried a pelicase full of others from AKG,Beyer,Sony and Shure and HD25II still do the biz.best.
I carry HD 800 too they are they ultimate open back quality check, direct out of the Nagra VI that is what you have recorded, every flaw is forensically displayed.
Roger
Old 13th December 2019
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My choice is JH Audio JH16Pro, amazing isolation and really amazing sound, kinda studio speaker in you ears)
Old 16th December 2019
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Thanks for the responses - I guess the main takeaway is that I need to try some!

Also I now know why my DT880s have no bass :(
(Although Im not sure I'd recommend any of that series for outdoor use with their soft foam!)
Old 16th December 2019
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https://www.drumtek.com.au/vic-firth...on-headphones/

These are designed to function as isolation phones for drummers, with around 24dB of isolation. They allow a recording engineer to be in the same zone/room as loud musicians. They're a little light in bass extension but transfer most of what you need to hear.

So, they work as described for the intended use. They accomplish this at the expense of noticeable side pressure, since effective air sealing of the cups is integral to the operating principle.

If you can live with that aspect, they'll serve you well. A helpful spinoff is that you can get away with a much lower playback level than regular headphones (no surprise, no leakage !) which is safer for your ears. If you use them in a city environment, be careful walking around traffic etc, as the isolation is that significant !

Alternative to this, a good sealing pair of in-ear phones might get you most of what you seek....with much more comfort, lower weight and less 'detachment' from the outside world
Old 16th December 2019
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I recommend the remote audio headphones. It's sony mdr 7506 with gel pads.


https://remoteaudio.com/products/hea...noise-headset/
Old 16th December 2019
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Iso is good ,but remember you still need to communicate, thats why the one earpiece on the HD 25II can be swiveled off ear
Also velour pad, low pressure cans much more comfy than crusher defender hearing protection.
Tired ears are bad tools.
Old 17th December 2019 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by bwanajim View Post
The new Neumann NDH20 are outstanding and reasonably priced. My standard now.
I use the HD 25-1 (with optional velor pads which are much better than the leatherette ones), but the Neumann would be my 2nd choice i think.
Old 17th December 2019
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Originally Posted by mahoobley View Post
Getting a new location recording set up for the occasional bits I do for my sound design work. Have been recommended the Senn HD25 by several people, but I HATES them, I hates them so much. They just don't fit me at all and always cause me pain.

Also I'd like something with some isolation.

Having a look around here, the DT250s and Sony MDR7506 get mentioned a lot, but seemingly in very old threads. I wonder if there's something more recent work checking out for a durable, well isolated set of cans?
I still like my Sony MDR-V6 Headphones - they are the predecessor to the Sony MDR 7506. Both sets are virtually the same - except that I hear more in my V6 set.

I am thinking about getting a pair of the Shure SE425 Earphones - in ear buds - which are completely comfortable to wear over 10 hours. They also sound great - and deliver
with out killing my ears.
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I recommend the remote audio headphones. It's sony mdr 7506 with gel pads.


https://remoteaudio.com/products/hea...noise-headset/
I have a pair of these and they perform very well - they're not lightweight, but are comfortable for long periods and have great isolation. I believe they get the headset shell from the David Clark company that Folkie references in his post above.
Old 18th December 2019
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I'm generally interested and open to trying out phones but wow, these Shure 840s took some pretty rough review hits -durability wise right on their site.
https://www.shure.com/en-US/products/headphones/srh840
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My 940s broke in the field. Shure replaced them without question, but I never trusted them after that.

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I'm generally interested and open to trying out phones but wow, these Shure 840s took some pretty rough review hits -durability wise right on their site.
https://www.shure.com/en-US/products/headphones/srh840
Old 6th January 2020
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I find myself with an urgent need for these headphones. I had all but decided on the MDR 7506 but there seems to be a shortage where I'm based. However, the 7510s are available - any reason I should be chosing the older 7506es over these?
Old 6th January 2020
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I don’t have experience with some of the models mentioned above. But I’m using the DT1770 when I need isolation. Nice build quality and gets the job done. Don’t like them for mixing.
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I have a pair of these and they perform very well - they're not lightweight, but are comfortable for long periods and have great isolation. I believe they get the headset shell from the David Clark company that Folkie references in his post above.
Yes they do appear to be the same shell.
I couldn’t stand the hyped upper mids of the Remote Audio headphones and quickly put them on the shelf and haven’t looked back. The David Clark’s on the other hand seem to be very neutral/accurate in frequency response and very good at reproducing live acoustic music (folk, world, jazz and classical, etc) that I have recorded
and match well the direct sound in the room.
I quickly bought a second pair.
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The new Neumann NDH20 are outstanding and reasonably priced. My standard now.
Got a pair a few days ago. Impressed and enthusiastic so far, but I haven’t taken them on any recordings yet – only listening. They seem to do a lot of things very well.
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The new Neumann NDH20 are outstanding and reasonably priced. My standard now.
Nice phones, but at $500, its a risk taking them in the field!!
The OP said sound design work.

For that purpose Sony 7506 $100 will be fine.
Old 14th October 2020
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I like the Beyer DT1350 for outdoor use. They provide good isolation with plenty of detail and definition, and although they are on-ear I don't find them uncomfortable. They are pretty portable and sturdy as well. On the negatives side, the low frequencies are a little off (this might or might not be important for you), and it sounds better with a good DAC-AMP.
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I used the 7506 a lot in the field years ago. They are durable and really compact. In those days, I was doing a lot of recording on treks in India, Burma, Bhutan, Bali, and around SE Asia. It's never was a particularly good sounding headphone, but durable and well-suited to the abuse of field use, being shoved into camera bags, etc. I still use them when I need something to plug right into a camera's headphone jack while recording video.

The Japanese-built ones I bought back in the mid 90s are en entirely different headphone compared to the same model today that is built in China. The ear pads on the new ones burst apart in a very short amount of time compared to the old ones (months vs years), but the real problem is that they sound very different. The new ones roll off the low frequencies and boost the high mids quite noticeably. The old ones were halfway decent for casual listening as well, but the new ones honestly sound terrible - thin and screechy compared to the original Japanese ones. It's not possible to use the old and new 7506 interchangeably, expecting any sort of consistent reference. It's a shame, really, because I do love the compact form factor of the 7506. For capturing sound to go with still photography, they fit perfectly into any space intended for a lens.

As an aside, I also wonder about the consistency of the Neumanns because the Sonarworks preset for them is so badly off that I must wonder if the pair they measured had a far different frequency response from mine. For example, the HD650 running their preset sounds quite similar to the ND20 with no correction at all, while the HD650 and ND20 with presets sound vastly - and I mean VASTLY - different. Actually, this is one of the things that convinced me to standardize on the ND20. Even without correction, they sound very similar to several pairs (of varying vintage) that I've heard running with correction.

ND20 is always a good reference right out of your field recorder's headphone output. They're easy to drive, so even devices like the Sony D100 or a smartphone handles them easily. Finally, and this won't apply to everyone, NDH20 seems to be voiced for consistency with the Neumann KH series monitors which are what I use both on my audio workstation as well as on my general work desk.

I would not worry about the ND20 in the field. I've been hard on mine and so far, they are holding up admirably. I use them a lot for demoing our recordings to music journalists at high end audio shows. By the time they see a pair of Neumann headphones plugged into a Nagra Seven, many people are predisposed to think it's going to sound good!

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Nice phones, but at $500, its a risk taking them in the field!!
The OP said sound design work.

For that purpose Sony 7506 $100 will be fine.
Old 14th October 2020
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Another option is the Sony MDR-CD900ST, they are made in Japan, and sold by Japanese stores only. ~ $200 USD.
Same housing as 7506, but better drivers.
Better low end, and smoother highs.
They don't fold, but I swapped some parts with my 7506s and now fold!!

Also the Sony MDR-V6, were better the the MDR-7506, but Sony discontinued them!!
Old 15th October 2020
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DT250 are recent.
Old 18th October 2020
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These work GREAT but they do "pinch" your head. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...d-b31d6b1bfbee
Old 18th October 2020
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I’ve used:

1MORE Quad Driver in-Ear Hi-Res Headphones Gray earbuds-

With:

3M Peltor X5A Over-the-Head EarMuffs

over them.

Not the most comfortable but very effective

Last edited by emenelton; 20th October 2020 at 09:01 PM..
Old 19th October 2020
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In difficult environs, I've occasionally used my Westone UM20 under -29dB over-ear industrial/shooting muffs ("Thunder 29" is the brand... but they're 20+ years old). Between the UM20 seal and the muffs... pretty effective.

HB
Old 24th October 2020
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I like my audio technica ath-m40x. Came with straight and coiled cables, and I also got a short cable which is nice.
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