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One Steinway, One pianist, One pair of Gefell M296s - feedback welcome!
Old 4th September 2019
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I have asked Gefell what the tolerances are and will post when they answer.
The reply:- "The M296 pairs are in the frequency response max. 0.5dB apart.
In the sensitivity, we usually try to keep the value at 1kHz below 0.4dB.
In the M296S version, the frequency response is even tighter."
Old 5th September 2019
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Definitely preferred the sound of the first, but if I’m being picky, I didn’t really care for the placement of either. The first I feel is too far from the hammers, though it does capture a nice bloom of piano sound that the second lacks. The second is too close and doesn’t flatter the sound of the piano, particularly in the low end.

If a piano is not immaculately maintained and tuned, going close is rarely a pretty thing. And even when it is, you do still need some distance for the sound of the instrument to develop a bit, as with most instruments. imo anyways. Ymmv.

Thank you for posting these samples! In spite of my criticism, I did very much enjoy listening to them. I hope my notes are constructive.
Old 6th September 2019
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John, you seem to have a lot of insight on Gefell specifications. What would you expect for how well a pair of M296S (or pair of M296) mics would track each other for frequency response (assuming they were ordered/built as a matched pair)?

Also, how closely would you expect the M296S (or the M296 for that matter) frequency response (as shown on the frequency response graph delivered with each mic) to track the typical frequency response as specified for the product?

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I have asked Gefell what the tolerances are and will post when they answer.

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Originally Posted by John Willett View Post
The reply:- "The M296 pairs are in the frequency response max. 0.5dB apart.
In the sensitivity, we usually try to keep the value at 1kHz below 0.4dB.
In the M296S version, the frequency response is even tighter."
Hi John,
Thanks for finding out the details to Gefell M296 frequency response specifications for matched pairs.
Old 7th September 2019
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Definitely preferred the sound of the first, but if I’m being picky, I didn’t really care for the placement of either. The first I feel is too far from the hammers, though it does capture a nice bloom of piano sound that the second lacks. The second is too close and doesn’t flatter the sound of the piano, particularly in the low end. If a piano is not immaculately maintained and tuned, going close is rarely a pretty thing. And even when it is, you do still need some distance for the sound of the instrument to develop a bit, as with most instruments. imo anyways. Ymmv. Thank you for posting these samples! In spite of my criticism, I did very much enjoy listening to them. I hope my notes are constructive.
Thanks for your comments.

Points noted - hopefully there will be a third occasion where I can find the perfect 'Goldilocks' position; not too far, not too close!
Old 9th September 2019
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(...) hopefully there will be a third occasion where I can find the perfect 'Goldilocks' position; not too far, not too close!
...either this or use two mic systems, one close and one at some distance: makes life much more easy imo (needs more gear though)...
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