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The ultimate *affordable* omni's for main miking large orchestras Condenser Microphones
Old 1 week ago
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Heresy! This is not a comedy club. Get thee to the club. Smart phone is dumb--everyone knows that.
Haha wasn't saying that anybody should prefer a stereo smart phone mic. Simply that the quality of the miniature capsules/elements available has drastically improved, and that I wouldn't be surprised if this is the reason why Avenson can compete with Earthworks as a relatively small company with smaller manufacturing runs.
Old 1 week ago
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Haha wasn't saying that anybody should prefer a stereo smart phone mic. Simply that the quality of the miniature capsules/elements available has drastically improved, and that I wouldn't be surprised if this is the reason why Avenson can compete with Earthworks as a relatively small company with smaller manufacturing runs.
I believe the Line Audio mics use a Panasonic electret element also (almost certainly the OM-1, perhaps the CM3 also ?) and they are heavy hitters in the affordable mic league.

It's the implementation and circuitry surrounding such humble components which determines if they can perform to their maximal capability, and minimize any inherent shortcomings.
Old 1 week ago
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I believe the Line Audio mics use a Panasonic electret element also (almost certainly the OM-1, perhaps the CM3 also ?) and they are heavy hitters in the affordable mic league.

It's the implementation and circuitry surrounding such humble components which determines if they can perform to their maximal capability, and minimize any inherent shortcomings.
Of course. And thank you.
Old 1 week ago
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That is simply incorrect. QTC40 is already too noise for me, and self-noise of the STO-2 is 8 dB worse !

That would make it unuseable on any classical source.
Are you sure the tests weren't weighted differently? Because in my experience I've heard noise from my QTC40 crop up during a session, but have yet to ever encounter it from the STO-2.

Also being simply given a dB spec for noise, like "22dB self noise", even if the spec states "A-weighted" etc, isn't very useful and in fact quite meaningless without a great deal more information or simply stating the test environment, electronics wise. If taking a reading straight off the mic then phantom power must be supplied, and a balanced circuit established. Without the same exact circuit and phantom power delivery conditions, the measurement is already 100% unusable as a basis of comparison.

Anyways, in response to your other question about how to place them, the OP states that it's a large, full orchestra, so pretty much anywhere in the hall that the acoustics present well would be a good spot for an X/Y pair at 60, 90 or 120 degrees, depending upon the width of the auditorium side walls relative to stage distance. I think a spaced pair up close may actually cause more issue with noise than an X/Y setup at an acoustically favorable position somewhere over the seating area, or as close as the conductor's platform. The lack of ambience and resonance over the stage might require more gain than someplace further back. It depends on the style of recording desired, but if a stereo pair of omnis is what the OP is considering then a perspective that includes the hall as a major constant in presentation is probably ideal both aesthetically and for overcoming any microphone noise.
Old 1 week ago
  #125
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The current Earthworks QTC40 has been updated a couple of years ago with a new diaphragm from Japan and the electronics have been changed/improved too. The noise figures have been improved by slightly better than 2 db. The newer mics don't sound clinical but very neutral and accurate.
Old 5 days ago
  #126
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i ended up buying the se electronics se8 sdc pair with stereo bar. $500. excellent frequency response, noise, etc.

can't wait to try them. the 141 is next on my list as the polar pattern graph is a bit tighter off-axis and it's just useful to have more mics. i have a feeling they are a bit clearer and the se8 are a bit warmer due to the off axis high frequency drop. but either way, they are both very well reviewed. and the se8 YouTube samples are great.
Old 1 day ago
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i ended up buying the se electronics se8 sdc pair with stereo bar. $500. excellent frequency response, noise, etc.
The se8 is a cardioid mic, not an omni, right?
Old 22 hours ago
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The se8 is a cardioid mic, not an omni, right?
correct. but they are releasing Omni capsules for it. so it's like half the price of a ksm141 for half the polar patterns. :-P so if price is a concern you can buy it in stages...
Old 12 hours ago
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I'm searching a pair of omni for classical recordings. What is best, a pair of Oktava 012 with omni capsule or a pair of Line Audio OM1?
The second pair has a very flat response (and low output), so maybe it's not ideal for distant positioning (?)
Old 9 hours ago
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I'm searching a pair of omni for classical recordings. What is best, a pair of Oktava 012 with omni capsule or a pair of Line Audio OM1?
The second pair has a very flat response (and low output), so maybe it's not ideal for distant positioning (?)
as you said it is not ideal for distant work. for close :yes.
Old 8 hours ago
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as you said it is not ideal for distant work. for close :yes.
This (below) might give something of a sharpened directional pickup, or an artificial HF bump..or it may not ....I don't know of anyone here who's tried one in combat conditions in a large hall, and is able to give a report ?

If you click and drag on the 3D image, you can see that there is an internal ring of flexible 'fish scale' splines, which should grasp onto the tapered body of the mic, and stop the sphere from falling off.

40mm Sphere for Line Audio OM1 (5KY2MMEAW) by jonathanduckett
Old 7 hours ago
  #132
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The new, affordable, Gefell M 320 omnis have been reviewed in the current issue (July 2018) of Sound On Sound.

If you have an SOS subscription you can view it on-line now.

The direct link is HERE
Old 4 hours ago
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as you said it is not ideal for distant work. for close :yes.
Wich is the critical distance of the OM1 pair from the source?
Old 4 hours ago
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Wich is the critical distance of the OM1 pair from the source?
It depends....on the dimensions of the room, amount of liveness and RT60 . There is no single critical distance
Old 3 hours ago
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Wich is the critical distance of the OM1 pair from the source?

noise-wise: a recording of string quartet and solo voice at 20 meter distance is way too noisy
Highg freq wise: that's taste, as a room mike it could be used, because a duller room pair isn't necessarlily a problem.

personally it sounds really good close, anything further away can be EQ'ed,
but a diffuse field pair sounds better IMO
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