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Old 27th June 2009
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Talking KMF Audio stereo microphone...

Can anyone give me a bit more info on these mics - kmf audio - a revelation in audio technology

I see a picture in the gallery on the above website with Steve Remote and Joe Ferla in session, so somebody must be able to give some feedback on how they stack up against all the usual contenders.

Just fishing for info at the moment...

Cheers,

Douglas.
Old 27th June 2009
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A glance at the picture makes me wonder whether this was released on the first of April, unless I am misunderstanding what I am seeing. It would seem to be seriously impractical for location recording and having a large metal box close to the capsules wouldn't be my first thought for a good idea.
Old 27th June 2009
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A glance at the picture makes me wonder whether this was released on the first of April, unless I am misunderstanding what I am seeing. It would seem to be seriously impractical for location recording and having a large metal box close to the capsules wouldn't be my first thought for a good idea.
Definitely not a practical joke, and has been used with great success on a Pasqua/Erskine recording, Standards. Also, I couldn't quite believe the glowing comments from really high profile engineers (James Farber, Joe Ferla etc.). Despite that, there is not one single mention of the microphone on this forum...!
Old 27th June 2009
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I would luv to hear the tube version. Having read their website in its entirety, I have to ask, "what exactly is new about this microphone?"

One thing I AM put off by is the high-end audio doublespeak included in the comments and reviews and any association with those fronting or formerly representing/selling high end hi-fi systems.

I can tell you that the spacing of the omni capsules looks useful for some things but for others the spacing is too narrow. I wonder if the spacing is fixed?

Keeping an open mind about new products, especially those that claim to be "revolutionary," is a good policy.

Perhaps they will send me one for use this summer somewhere that will tolerate the box attached to the mic.
Old 27th June 2009
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I was wondering the same thing. What's different?

I was also looking for some self-noise specs, but didn't see any...
Old 27th June 2009
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Talk about sight-line issues! Couldn't they use some type of capsule-to-box cabling to make the whole thing look less like a cobbled-together box of indeterminate use?

Also, I hate websites with Flash animations that you can't skip.

All those "Recording Projects" and no demo clips, what the heck? They even have a picture of their mic "vs. Schoeps stereo pair," I'd like to hear that.
Old 29th June 2009
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Is this a joke?
Old 29th June 2009
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I'm sure it is not a joke. Other than the guy with the rug and Hitler-stash, not much to laugh about. It just seems like a very impractical system with no evidence to back up their quality claims. How hard is it to post a sample?

I have never heard of these guys even though I live in San Diego, though their bios seem legit.

I am curious to find out.
Old 29th June 2009
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http://www.fuzzymusic.com/audio/standards_sample.mp3

Here is a sample of the "Standards" album recorded with these mics.

Not bad. Wouldn't call it revolutionary...

Edit: Take that back the Ride cymbal is rather annoying.
Old 30th June 2009
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Thanks for your responses - interesting that no one else seems to have any info about these either. I have that "Standards" album, which is what prompted my interest in these microphones -- I think it's a really nice sounding album. With regards to the comment about the ride sounding annoying on that clip -- well, yes, a bit annoying -- but I think that has more to do with mic placement that mic quality.

I guess I'll send the manufacturers an e-mail and see if I can get some more specific info about the system.

Douglas.
Old 30th June 2009
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well, yes, a bit annoying -- but I think that has more to do with mic placement that mic quality.
Yeah, I know. Just saying...
Old 30th June 2009
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Some ride cymbals can be annoying no matter what mic you use.
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I think that has more to do with mic placement that mic quality.
Therein lies a lesson well known to most here - it ain't what you've got, it's the way that you use it...
Old 1st July 2009
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Is this a finished product, ie., a commercial available microphone? If so, anyone knows its price?

José Santos
Old 3rd July 2009
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Sound quality is quite good, balance is pretty poor, imaging is just plain weird, sounds like two snares comming out of the speakers. Hardly groundbreaking stuff, but if they have found a niche that works for them in this difficult market, good for them! Personally I'm not heading out to buy these mic's. what have they got in those boxes?

Regards



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Old 4th July 2009
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It doesn't look very discrete, such a big box on a mic stand.

I know/have better options.
Old 4th July 2009
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there seems to be a few pro engineers and musicians behind this mic system.

when checking their website i noticed our moderator was at one of the demos in nyc.

looks like remoteness was at the march 2008 Geoffrey Keezer demo session at nyu music studios with Joe Ferla and others.

remoteness whats your take on this system?
Old 5th July 2009
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there seems to be a few pro engineers and musicians behind this mic system.

when checking their website i noticed our moderator was at one of the demos in nyc.

looks like remoteness was at the march 2008 Geoffrey Keezer demo session at nyu music studios with Joe Ferla and others.

remoteness whats your take on this system?
There may be some merit in the system, though I do personally doubt it. Just because various engineers have trialled the system, that doesn't necessarilly constitute an endorsement and it (IMHO) becomes dangerous to view it as such. Andy, who used to post here with his horn microphones, came up with many interesting things, however, ultimately there never seemed to be any takers.

Based on the clip that was posted/linked too, I didn't think that there was anything that remarkable sonically happening, YMMV.

Regards


Roland
Old 9th July 2009
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Sorry to have stumbled upon this discussion a bit late in the game. I am one of the two principals behind KMF Audio. Hope it's permissible for me to post here given that status.

We're a small start-up company, hence the lack of high-profile ad presence in Mix, Sound on Sound, etc. Just trying to make our way on a limited budget in a highly-competitive industry that has "already seen/heard it all."

Per the testimonials on our website, they are all permissioned comments. Several come from individuals who have actually used the mic (for instance, James Farber's quote about Avatar).

I will do my best to address a few of the questions that have been posted. Firstly, with regard to the "box," one of the concepts behind our mic's design is to place the transducers at a minimal distance from our custom pre-amp (that's what's in the box). The aim is to eliminate nearly all opportunities for signal degradation (hence also the outboard power-supply--the other box--rather than phantom power).

The transducers are mounted at a fixed distance that equals the average distance between human ears. The aim is the same as a binaural technique, to replicate natural phase info as captured by natural human hearing.

The positioning of the box relative to the capsules is similar to the human head and ears, but without creating the dual-image problem of dummy-head mics.

Obviously the preamp box is too obtrusive to be used in a live concert performance, but it works fine in other remote recording situations. We do have another version of the mic with the transducers on separate cables that plug into the preamp at a max distance of approx 3 meters. This version also allows the distance between the capsules to be varied.

Per the absence of demo audio clips on the website, I agree with Roland that the clips from "Standards" don't sound particularly remarkable. That's the problem with downloads. We chose not to include them on our site since they would not be representative of the sound quality that our mic produces.

Per Jose's question, yes, our mics are available for purchase. For info on this, you can email me at the address on the contact page of the website.

We have placed some of our mics on trial loans with a variety of studios and engineers. This has some practical limits, but within reason, we'd be happy to discuss a similar arrangement with those of you who might have a serious interest in checking out our mic's performance.
Old 10th July 2009
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Per the absence of demo audio clips on the website, I agree with Roland that the clips from "Standards" don't sound particularly remarkable. That's the problem with downloads.
There is no reason to limit yourself to MP3 format - you could make wav files available (16/44 or better)...


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Old 10th July 2009
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I would be pleased to try this system with big league orchestra or super league chamber music playas.

I appreciate that one of the minds behind the system is posting here now.

The tube version being $7000 while the solid stage version being $2500 does smell of high end hi-fi , however. In general can't one say that a tube circuit is much less complex with fewer components than a ss circuit? I argue that there should not be the nearly 3X premium on the tube version. Why is the tube version much higher?

Also I am a specialist with binaural work being one of the only people recently producing orchestral binaural recordings. How can one claim a binaural effect without a boundary between the capsules?

I"m simply curious to have the designers respond.

with thanks,

Pllush
Old 15th July 2009
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Plush, thanks for your interest. I would be glad to discuss this further with you offline if you would send an email to the address on the contact page of our website.

Per the difference in pricing, well, yes, the solid-state circuit is more complex, but the labor involved in building the tube version is actually more time-consuming and the components are considerably more expensive.

(BTW, I see that our moderator must have edited out the price info from my original posting.)

Upon reflection, my comment about binaural was somewhat misleading. I should have said that the aim of our mic is similar to that of a binaural technique rather than that it is the same. Our mic is designed to reproduce natural phase info when played back on speakers as well as headphones. Hope that helps to clear this up.
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