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News Flash about the "Remote Possibilities in Acoustic Music and Location Recording
Old 2 weeks ago
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There exists a Newbie forum in the main GS front page index...and moderators are able to move threads over to there already, at their discretion.

I believe the Remote forum is a broad church, and to date has been able to encompass and support questions derived from both newbies and experienced recording folk alike. We all gain immensely, or are humbled, by this mingling and sharing process.

Individually we all very likely experts and experienced within the familiar locations and gig contexts we take on and work within...and at the same time we are inexperienced and newbie in other areas that we rarely if ever operate within. That doesn't mean that I/we/everybody doesn't gain a huge amount from reading about the expertise and practices in areas that others here work within regularly.

With a little tweaking ang labelling of the sub-genres, I'm convinced it's possible to attain the specificity required....without being exclusionary, dismissive or discriminatory of those with beginning or niche skills and experiences.
Old 2 weeks ago
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The only thing is that I'm not a newbie, as I've been doing it for over 50 years, nor a professional, although I hope my results are very nearly at that level, at times anyway. And I do know more or less how to use high end gear, although I'm always learning new things, I hope.
i wasn't aiming at you in any regard and i have no problem with people considering themselves 'pro by experience' nor do i think posting in the newbie forum is a bad thing even for a seasoned engineer - i just wish at times that there would be a bit less noise...

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Old 2 weeks ago
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i wasn't aiming at you in any regard and i have no problem with people considering themselves 'pro by experience' nor do i think posting in the newbie forum is a bad thing even for a seasined engineer - i just wish at times that there would be a bit less noise...
That's fair enough and I fully understand. I was just mentioning it and did not think you necessarily had me in mind! I just think that some of us are getting a lot from how the top professionals work, and I am certainly grateful that so much help is so willingly given.
Old 5 days ago
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IMO the introducion of sub fora would be a mistake. It is my thought thst we can learn from each other. If I would record rock/pop on location, live, I would go about it in much the same way as any classical recording, with the exception of getting everything closer.

Headphones, cue mixes, playback tracks do not interest me, neither for classical nor for jazz or pop.
But still.
If we separate the forums, this would lead to further isolation, while I tend to notice a trend towards more live in the room recording, regardless of genre.
Maybe this is a side effect from the forum as it is, and my perception is wrong. Maybe that is a reason not to split things up in sub fora.

I do not mind at all to see a thread pass by about how to provide 60 cue mixes, with at least 20 different mixes. It does not disturb me. What would disturb me is if it gets hidden in another sub forum.

If someone asks a genuine question about amping a guitar amp, as a classical recording engineer it could interest me as well. I remember a discussion somewhere about the typical Pat Metheny setup. Interesting stuff, even for those who would never recording anything other than string quartets ?

I mean, how much % of amped location recording is about using only direct feeds and DI ? Most still have a (acoustic) mic somewhere ? Is there a difference between a bass trombone and a 8x 10 inch bass amp ? Do rock recordists not care about quality of the bleed ? Is delay compensation never used on multi mic drum tracking ? Etc.
Old 5 days ago
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I agree...one can generally intuit, from reading the 1st posting in a thread, whether the general thrust of the question or audio-sample is likely to be one which I can respond to with any helpful insight...or if it's a 'pass-on-by' one.

Adding to this, the various evolutions, twists and turns and sidetracks can be as instructive and engaging as the germane replies...so I'll often keep tabs on a thread, which is ostensibly of peripheral interest, just in case.

We've already got VR/surround/ environmental sounds/ chamber and orchestral and choral and too numerous to mention other variants on the remote (ie out of studio) spectrum...and yet I don't find this variety bewildering or unwieldy ?

As Yannick says, the solutions and approaches to problems can often come from seemingly unrelated, parallel disciplines within audio recording generally, and we exclude these to our detriment.

A test of the efficacy of the current system would be to examine how many 1st posts in a thread fail to receive a single reply of advice or engagement of interest ? Answer: very few, if any
Old 5 days ago
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i do not wish for subfora in terms of topic but level (newbie/pro), gear, handling (again newbie/pro) and other topics/general discussions.

right now, there are many folks who can afford pro gear but have not much experience how to use it: i wish there would be options to distinguish; this could also get achieved by allowing each member to flag other members and create categories on his/her own. of course those markings cannot be seen by other members! it would also help to mark notorious trolls without ignoring them...
Old 5 days ago
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I prefer to not have Subforums, I learn a lot from
topics outside my areas of interest.
Likewise I find that I am sometimes able to make useful contributions to areas outside my areas of interest. This is part of the creative process.
Dividing things up into Subforums would be anti-creative.
Are we really better off by having some people
only exposed to Fox or only exposed to MSNBC?
Old 4 days ago
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I'm also very happy to read posts on all types of music, where I do sound we have events of all types. I find it just as thrilling to get a great recording of our 9 ft Steinway and an opera singer as I do getting a cool electric guitar sound on a more rock oriented event, or most fun when I get to mic and record a string quartet acting with a jazz combo incorporating electric and acoustic instruments (with the same 9 ft Steinway requiring a totally different approach than for the opera soloist).

I encourage people who are not recording amplified music to stick around, I enjoy learning from your topics, and really, as I'm only using a DI on bass (and not always), I'm still recording the air around the source, so it all ties together.

I just know that I live and love to capture moments in time and hear them back.
Old 3 days ago
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I like the fact that you and others are happy to read posts about all types of music. Yet, there are folks that are sending the wrong message either by creating a report or by telling them to leave the forum within their thread discussion. This is actively derailing my original mindset and dynamic for this wonderful forum.

Just the other day, someone posted a thread about, "Advice for recording a live classical concert with PA," and someone reported the thread, stating that it's in the wrong forum! IT IS NOT IN THE WRONG FORUM for that subject discussion!

I hate the fact that so many of my friends and associates rarely frequent this forum due to the fact that they believe this does not represent them any longer.




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I'm also very happy to read posts on all types of music, where I do sound we have events of all types. I find it just as thrilling to get a great recording of our 9 ft Steinway and an opera singer as I do getting a cool electric guitar sound on a more rock oriented event, or most fun when I get to mic and record a string quartet acting with a jazz combo incorporating electric and acoustic instruments (with the same 9 ft Steinway requiring a totally different approach than for the opera soloist).

I encourage people who are not recording amplified music to stick around, I enjoy learning from your topics, and really, as I'm only using a DI on bass (and not always), I'm still recording the air around the source, so it all ties together.

I just know that I live and love to capture moments in time and hear them back.
Old 3 days ago
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I would like a separate forum for organ recordings on GS.
Old 3 days ago
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I would like a separate forum for organ recordings on GS.
seriously?! couldn't it be that a more careful search would also yield useful results and sort out topics of less interest?

if you'be getting your forum, i'd like to get one too, dealing especially with say gesualdo's use of the neapolitan sixth in his early work and how to record this with shotgun mics...
Old 3 days ago
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I would like a separate forum for organ recordings on GS.
...said the individual with 13 posts to date.
Old 3 days ago
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...said the individual with 13 posts to date.
Yes, but don't forget that he has been posting before for some years under a different user name. Doesn't that count?
Old 3 days ago
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Yes, but don't forget that he has been posting before for some years under a different user name. Doesn't that count?
Nope, we are not going to have a forum just for organ recordings.
Old 3 days ago
  #45
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I have been recording live music-all genres- since 1974. First in college recording Moog synthesizer performances and local rock bands, then on to big band and bluegrass acts. It was always a "side-job", never my main income -producer, and I prefer it that way. There are pitiful few sites that cater to my needs, but this forum is by far the most informative and interesting that I have run across. It really doesn't matter what genre of music you are recording, the tips and insights voiced in this particular section are spot-on for me personally. When you add that they are presented by the likes of John Willett and Steven Remote, well, that's "the cherry on top" because many of those concepts are what I have been following all along - validation that I am on the right track.
I would hate to see the subject splintered off into too many sub-forums for fear of missing something that I could learn and benefit from. But whatever direction that you decide to take this, I will continue to visit this site and support it. Keep up the good work!
Old 3 days ago
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seriously?! couldn't it be that a more careful search would also yield useful results and sort out topics of less interest?

if you'be getting your forum, i'd like to get one too, dealing especially with say gesualdo's use of the neapolitan sixth in his early work and how to record this with shotgun mics...
Gesualdo’s (1566 to 1613) music was probably one of the most modern and expressive of its time. Gesualdo wrote chord progressions that did not appear in other composer’s music until the 19th century, and occasionally a Neapolitan sixth may well have occured here and there, he is not associated with this musical phenomenon. The Neapolitan sixth is associated with the Neapolitan School, a group of opera composers that worked in the 18th century in Italy. So your forum probably will be staying quite empty I assume, because Gesualdo is about 100 years more early.
Old 3 days ago
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...said the individual with 13 posts to date.
The amount of posts does not say so much about one's experience, or does it?
Old 3 days ago
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Gesualdo’s (1566 to 1613) music was probably one of the most modern and expressive of its time. Gesualdo wrote chord progressions that did not appear in other composer’s music until the 19th century, and occasionally a Neapolitan sixth may well have occured here and there, he is not associated with this musical phenomenon. The Neapolitan sixth is associated with the Neapolitan School, a group of opera composers that worked in the 18th century in Italy. So your forum probably will be staying quite empty I assume, because Gesualdo is about 100 years more early.
interestingly enough, he DID use what later became known as the neapolitan sixth (i'm in the process of recording all of his work and can follow these discussions amongst singers...) - anyway, i was having the same fear for your subforum: maybe we can team up? i do occasionally record organs!
Old 3 days ago
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interestingly enough, he DID use what later became known as the neapolitan sixth (i'm in the process of recording all of his work and can follow these discussions amongst singers...) - anyway, i was having the same fear for your subforum: maybe we can team up? i do occasionally record organs!
That is what I wrote, indeed the neapolitan sixth happens here and there also in Gesualdo's music, if I remember well it is somewhere in the responsory "Aestimatus sumbut", you can also find it in music from Purcell, its origin is not harmonic but comes out of the counterpoint. Whatsoever, you and I will not get our "own" fora.
Old 2 days ago
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Gesualdo was an F’ing gangster.

Like, literally. He killed people!

Can we get a Gesualdo subforum? I promise it will be entertaining.
Old 2 days ago
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I would like to thank the (few) individuals that have made a mockery of my concerns.
Old 2 days ago
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I hate the fact that so many of my friends and associates rarely frequent this forum due to the fact that they believe this does not represent them any longer.
Could you please expand upon this, and the sorts of reasons these folks are advancing for this to be happening ? Is it becoming too broad a forum for them (ie not specialised enough) or do they feel hostility directed toward them by other posters for proposing new topics here ? What is the mismatch between what is expected by them of this forum and what they see is the current tenor of it ?

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Old 2 days ago
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My posts above explain exactly what the problem is, yet I will reiterate for your convenience...

People in this forum are reporting or directly telling others that this is NOT the "right" forum for their non-acoustic music related discussion posts.

This is the "Remote Possibilities in Acoustic Music and Location Recording" forum. Anything that has to do with mobile and location recording and production is discussed here. All genres of music and sound production are welcomed as long as it has to do with on location work, either via portable rigs (of any size) or mobile recording rigs like large and small trucks, vans, RVs, boats, aircraft, pretty much any type of vehicle. To tell you the truth, even studio projects are welcomed.

If someone comes to our wonderful Remote Recording forum and wants to talk about their (mobile or location) rock, folk, funk, country, gospel, pop (or anything else) project, DO NOT turn them away because you believe the forum (that I started way back when) is something different than what I originally had envisioned.

One of our members suggested that a poster should direct his "non-acoustic music" discussion to another forum because "this forum is only about acoustic music." I since deleted that post and created this thread, because I didn't want it to portray the wrong impression. Many folks have told me, they don't post on this forum, because it's an "acoustic music" forum.

I've been an extremely passive moderator, and (IMHO) believe this is one of the reasons why this forum is (arguably) the best audio board on the Net. That said, I'm taking a new stand on this topic. We are an all inclusive audio board. All genres of music and techniques are welcomed. I would appreciate that those "traditionalist" take a different view on what this forum is all about and not belittle individuals that want to discuss their non-classical mobile and location production projects on the forum.

Like I mentioned above, during the Farm Aid 2018 gig we were on, I asked one of my friends why he didn't frequent the Remote Possibilities... forum like he did back in the day and he responded, "it's all about classical music," and he felt that his posts would go nowhere, so he has been posting on the 'High-End' and 'So Much Gear, So Little Time' forums. I was taken aback by his comment, and that was last September. I've heard similar comments about why people don't post their stuff on the forum any longer.

This was not the case before name change and forum description which now includes, acoustic music.

There are folks that are sending the wrong message either by creating a report or by telling them to leave the forum within their thread discussion. THIS HAS TO STOP! It is actively derailing my original mindset and dynamic for this killer forum.

Just the other day, the thread titled, "Advice for recording a live classical concert with PA," was reported, stating that it's in the wrong forum! IT IS NOT IN THE WRONG FORUM for that subject discussion!

I hate the fact that so many of my friends and associates rarely frequent this forum due to the fact that they believe this does not represent them any longer.



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Could you please expand upon this, and the sorts of reasons these folks are advancing for this to be happening ? Is it becoming too broad a forum for them (ie not specialised enough) or do they feel hostility directed toward them by other posters for proposing new topics here ? What is the mismatch between what is expected by them of this forum and what they see is the current tenor of it ?
Old 2 days ago
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This is the "Remote Possibilities in Acoustic Music and Location Recording" forum. Anything that has to do with mobile and location recording and production is discussed here.
...
This was not the case before name change and forum description which now includes, acoustic music.
Exactly. The problem is the name. It implies, whether that's your intention or not, that the forum is about acoustical music, recorded on location. Because, that's what it says. No one can read your mind; all they can do is read what you write.

If the title is not communicating what you want it to communicate, change it. There is clearly a failure to communicate here, but screaming at people "THIS HAS TO STOP!" and "IT IS NOT IN THE WRONG FORUM" isn't going make anyone understand that forum title any more than they do now.

You've done a great job in the few years I've been hanging around here. I'm encouraging you to use your moderator power and make the place fit your vision, because it seems to be a pretty good vision. It's pointless and even detrimental to the group for the moderator to be as frustrated as you obviously are. Not to mention what it's doing to you personally. So... fix it. To paraphrase an old saying: If moderator ain't happy, ain't nobody happy. So make yourself happy and move on.
Old 2 days ago
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FYI, the name change was not my idea! It was called, "Remote Possibilities."



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Exactly. The problem is the name. It implies, whether that's your intention or not, that the forum is about acoustical music, recorded on location. Because, that's what it says. No one can read your mind; all they can do is read what you write.

If the title is not communicating what you want it to communicate, change it. There is clearly a failure to communicate here, but screaming at people "THIS HAS TO STOP!" and "IT IS NOT IN THE WRONG FORUM" isn't going make anyone understand that forum title any more than they do now.

You've done a great job in the few years I've been hanging around here. I'm encouraging you to use your moderator power and make the place fit your vision, because it seems to be a pretty good vision. It's pointless and even detrimental to the group for the moderator to be as frustrated as you obviously are. Not to mention what it's doing to you personally. So... fix it. To paraphrase an old saying: If moderator ain't happy, ain't nobody happy. So make yourself happy and move on.
Old 2 days ago
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FYI, the name change was not my idea! It was called, "Remote Possibilities."
Yes, and since there was no Acoustic Recording forum anywhere on GS, all the acoustic recordists have taken refuge in Remote Possibilities, which is a pretty non-descriptive name anyway. And with the name change, for some people this was the Acoustic Recording forum they were looking for, as they could not find it in any of the other listings. Now, are you going to complain about the few stupid complainers who report a non-fully acoustic thread because they believe this is not the place, simply because you think that your pals out in the world can no longer identify with how the forum has developed? In my previous post I was trying to lighten up the mood a bit by pulling your leg, but you seem to be really serious about a personal frustration that I cannot recognise as a generally interested poster in what is actually happening. As a mod you have the power not to react to the stupid reportings and keep the forum sane as it is. And just for your information: non of my local pals does ever post in this forum, because they think it is a manufacturer driven sales site. Something we know is a totally false view, but it does not make me ask for changes to the forum, or for exhaustive definitions of what the forum is exactly about. Please lighten up a bit!
Old 2 days ago
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This is the "Remote Possibilities in Acoustic Music and Location Recording" forum. Anything that has to do with mobile and location recording and production is discussed here. All genres of music and sound production are welcomed as long as it has to do with on location work, either via portable rigs (of any size) or mobile recording rigs like large and small trucks, vans, RVs, boats, aircraft, pretty much any type of vehicle. To tell you the truth, even studio projects are welcomed.
This is an excellent summary of the Remote forum's manifesto....so can't this be placed at the head of the forum's main/index page....so that it hits everyone in the eye when they alight here ? That would place us all 'on the same page' and unambiguously flag the all inclusive nature of this forum's tenor.

It's your vision, and it's served this forum very well since inception, so it needs to be stated prominently, and thus any dissenters and naysayers can be corrected when they attempt to reformulate it to their own limited and selfish (and self-appointed) ends.

If the above "summary of intent and purpose" is easily accessible by all, it will head off all attempts to derail or divert it, right from the get go. Conversely, in its absence, folks will reinvent and repurpose this forum to suit their own interpretations....which is the slippery slope we find ourselves upon now
Old 1 day ago
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First off, the acoustic recording community is welcomed with open arms; this forum is the logical forum for these discussions, since the majority on the work is done on location with mobile devices.

For the record, this is an Electric and Acoustic Recording forum. The issue is to keep an open mind to all genre and styles of music and recording technology.

Yes, I am expressing dissatisfaction and a bit annoyed about the fact that some folks are essentially telling people they are not welcomed.

It's quite fascinating that you need to lighten things up while I'm trying to create a discussion about keeping an open mind on all styles of music and to stop the mindset and dynamic that this is exclusively an acoustic music forum.

Pulling my leg, at my expensive is what is annoying to me.

Perhaps, you cannot recognize my need for this circumvention because you are not the problem. That said, you don't need to minimize this issue because you feel this a personal issue of mine.

No other forum has been as fair and balanced as this one, and I would like to keep it that way.

For over fifteen years, I have kept this forum lucid and well balanced, and continue to keep things as coherent and stable as possible.

I understand why many believe that GS is a manufacturer driven sales site, yet this forum is far from that established set of attitudes held by those devotees of that belief.

There is no need to tell me to lighten up, since this is not a gloom or doom scenario, despite how you may perceive I feel about the matter.

Furthermore, there is no reason to offend anyone. Those "stupid complainers" as you call them, (IMHO) do not show a lack of intelligence or common sense. Perhaps, their perception is more on the lines of having some faulty judgment or reasoning towards their understanding of what this forum is really all about. Those "stupid reports" as you call them are not unintelligent, and possibly just a bit misguided.



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Yes, and since there was no Acoustic Recording forum anywhere on GS, all the acoustic recordists have taken refuge in Remote Possibilities, which is a pretty non-descriptive name anyway. And with the name change, for some people this was the Acoustic Recording forum they were looking for, as they could not find it in any of the other listings. Now, are you going to complain about the few stupid complainers who report a non-fully acoustic thread because they believe this is not the place, simply because you think that your pals out in the world can no longer identify with how the forum has developed? In my previous post I was trying to lighten up the mood a bit by pulling your leg, but you seem to be really serious about a personal frustration that I cannot recognise as a generally interested poster in what is actually happening. As a mod you have the power not to react to the stupid reportings and keep the forum sane as it is. And just for your information: non of my local pals does ever post in this forum, because they think it is a manufacturer driven sales site. Something we know is a totally false view, but it does not make me ask for changes to the forum, or for exhaustive definitions of what the forum is exactly about. Please lighten up a bit!
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This is indeed an excellent summary of the Remote forum's manifesto, and once I connect with Jules, I will do my best to set things in the right direction, so more folks can feel comfortable when posting their thoughts, questions, and observations.

This mindset needs to hit everyone's eye the moment they arrive on this page.

Your positive and non-offensive words have "caught my ear" with constructive, optimistic, and seriously confident advice and enlightenment.

It may be my vision, yet this fabulous forum is only as good as its members. I trust this message will eventually be stated prominently. There is no good reason to promote this limited and selfish direction of the few.

While we are in transition to include this "summary of intent and purpose," please consider having a more open mind and stop the attempts to derail or divert my original concept for this outstanding remote recording forum.

Without this simple clarification, it will be much more difficult to help the cause and affect of stopping the reinvention and re-purposing of this forum.

This Forum is for everyone, let us make this an all-in, all-inclusive social experience and technical environment.

Thanks so much for your good and benevolent disposition about this important and selfless concern about the integrity and undividedness of the forum.




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This is an excellent summary of the Remote forum's manifesto....so can't this be placed at the head of the forum's main/index page....so that it hits everyone in the eye when they alight here ? That would place us all 'on the same page' and unambiguously flag the all inclusive nature of this forum's tenor.

It's your vision, and it's served this forum very well since inception, so it needs to be stated prominently, and thus any dissenters and naysayers can be corrected when they attempt to reformulate it to their own limited and selfish (and self-appointed) ends.

If the above "summary of intent and purpose" is easily accessible by all, it will head off all attempts to derail or divert it, right from the get go. Conversely, in its absence, folks will reinvent and repurpose this forum to suit their own interpretations....which is the slippery slope we find ourselves upon now
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No problem, as frequent user/contributors like myself....as well as newer and occasional future visitors...have much to gain from this remaining the positive, open and widely-encompassing cafe that it has evolved to over the years under your careful stewardship.

The only suggestion I (and likely Jules also) would make is that your short 'manifesto statement' needs to be even shorter...for economy...yet still convey the intent of this forum being a broad church for all things acoustic, amplified, remote, land and vehicle based.

Anyone who bothered to cast an eye over the Popular Search Tags list you have compiled would see the evidence of this breadth and inclusiveness immediately :An important message about Popular Tags Remote Possibilities... Forum!

That's always been difficult for me, paring back mission statements so they're both specific and general enough at the same time....and there's no good reason why you alone should have to bear that headache, so maybe it's time for a competition: 'Write the GS Remote forum's manifesto in 25 words or less' ?

Winner gets to ride shotgun on a Steve Remote gig for one evening, as apprentice truck assistant
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