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CM4 Is Here. Let's start a thread for it and let the CM3 go on
Old 2 weeks ago
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No, the OM1 is a pure Omni, nothing in common with the CM3/CM4. To date there are no news of a potential shortage of those parts.
Thanks for confirmation JP
Old 4 days ago
  #62
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Which are the CM3's, which the CM4's?

Hi!

I had the chance to make a live recording with both a CM3 pair and a CM4 pair (women's barbershop quartet)

- Microphones in NOS setting.
- CM3 and CM4 close to each other in MS clamps.
- About 3m from the floor.
- Stand about 3m from the singers.
- Recorder: zoom H6

The pictures will give an idea of the location and setting.

- A sample of the CM3's and one of the CM4's
- Samples only made equal in RMS, no EQ or whatever.
- Sample Type converted from 96/24 wave to 44/16, saved ass mp3 320kbps

I am curious if anyone can distinguish the microphones.

Peter.
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Old 4 days ago
  #63
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hendriks View Post
Hi!

I had the chance to make a live recording with both a CM3 pair and a CM4 pair (women's barbershop quartet)

- Microphones in NOS setting.
- CM3 and CM4 close to each other in MS clamps.
- About 3m from the floor.
- Stand about 3m from the singers.
- Recorder: zoom H6

The pictures will give an idea of the location and setting.

- A sample of the CM3's and one of the CM4's
- Samples only made equal in RMS, no EQ or whatever.
- Sample Type converted from 96/24 wave to 44/16, saved ass mp3 320kbps

I am curious if anyone can distinguish the microphones.

Peter.
Beautiful! Plesure to listen (laughing with the text message though )

Second sample is tighter, more focused, less wide. I guess it's CM4.
Ther first sounds more "omni".
Old 4 days ago
  #64
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Like the 2nd more. What it is, don't know (as I haven't used the CM mics) but as a preference the second.
Old 4 days ago
  #65
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Both sound great, I think _2 sounds a little more 'omni' so maybe that's the CM3, if the CM4 is claimed to have a slightly tighter cardioid pattern, but there's not a lot of difference in it ? Opposite conclusion to Stradivariusz lol !....will be interesting to read which is which after more people have posted their guesses ?

In the 2nd photo (side on) it looks as if one pair of mics is pointing quite differently than the other (one set points down, the other closer to horizontal, as if pulled by the tension of the cables)....yet the 3rd picture MS clips you used to join the mics together would seem to prevent this ? Maybe it's just the NOS spacing confusing me...which is the correct depiction of their 'pointing angles' ?
Old 4 days ago
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When there's so much confusion, the logical conclusion is that there's not enough of a difference to be heard I guess an in depth analysis might reveal something. But as far as telling them apart by listening, as many customers pointed out already - it's difficult indeed.
Old 4 days ago
  #67
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hendriks View Post
Hi!

I had the chance to make a live recording with both a CM3 pair and a CM4 pair (women's barbershop quartet)

- Microphones in NOS setting.
- CM3 and CM4 close to each other in MS clamps.
- About 3m from the floor.
- Stand about 3m from the singers.
- Recorder: zoom H6

The pictures will give an idea of the location and setting.

- A sample of the CM3's and one of the CM4's
- Samples only made equal in RMS, no EQ or whatever.
- Sample Type converted from 96/24 wave to 44/16, saved ass mp3 320kbps

I am curious if anyone can distinguish the microphones.

Peter.
Very nice! Waalse kerk Delft?
I think the second track is the cm4. I hear a little more low in it, approx 2db about 30-50Hz (space resonans).
Old 4 days ago
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Originally Posted by Stradivariusz View Post
Second sample is tighter, more focused, less wide. I guess it's CM4.
Ther first sounds more "omni".
This is what I hear too. Plus a lot of very annoying noise from the air system. Hendriks, couldn't you ask them to turn it off for the concert? It was a perfect temperature day anyway, so the blowers didn't make much sense.
Old 4 days ago
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Both sound great, I think _2 sounds a little more 'omni' so maybe that's the CM3, if the CM4 is claimed to have a slightly tighter cardioid pattern, but there's not a lot of difference in it ? Opposite conclusion to Stradivariusz lol !....will be interesting to read which is which after more people have posted their guesses ?

In the 2nd photo (side on) it looks as if one pair of mics is pointing quite differently than the other (one set points down, the other closer to horizontal, as if pulled by the tension of the cables)....yet the 3rd picture MS clips you used to join the mics together would seem to prevent this ? Maybe it's just the NOS spacing confusing me...which is the correct depiction of their 'pointing angles' ?
Haha, I see what you mean. Listening today again makes me hesitate a little, but when I listen louder I have an impression that the second sample is slightly closer sounding, so might be more cardioidish CM4? :D Funny though, difference is small. Also what dingenus writes about the resonanse is true, stereo image in the first is very equal from left to right, but the second example does not have it, some freqs sound suddenly closer than others - maby through this resonance or more directivity in the pattern...
Old 3 days ago
  #70
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OT: I would never have expected hear a barbershop version of a classic Beach Boys hit sung in the Netherlands. Very cool.
Old 1 day ago
  #71
So which was which here?
Old 1 day ago
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Looking at the specs - the CM4 does look like a real cardioid mic. - the CM3 was more of a wide-cardioid.


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Does Line Audio make a hypercardioid?
Old 1 day ago
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Does Line Audio make a hypercardioid?
This has been addressed. No and if Roger manages to come up with a Super or Hyper it won't be tomorrow. If it happens, that's a big if, I can't imagine a commercial product being released before 2021. But I keep bugging him about it

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