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Example of good blumlein piano recordings Condenser Microphones
Old 2 weeks ago
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Example of good blumlein piano recordings

Hi!

Does anyone know any professional classical piano recordings made with the blumlein technique?

I am contemplating buing a aea r88ii for recording grand piano.

All the best,

Knutta
Old 2 weeks ago
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I know that at least one release by Alexander Korsantia on Piano Classics was done in Blumlein ... maybe more.
Try this one...
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Hi!

Does anyone know any professional classical piano recordings made with the blumlein technique?

I am contemplating buing a aea r88ii for recording grand piano.

All the best,

Knutta
Old 2 weeks ago
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It’s not a professional release but was used
for an episode of a PBS syndicated program,
Articulate. Here’s the link to my post
with samples of Soundfield DSF-1 decoded to
Blumlein and 3ft spaced pair of Josrphson C617
omni’s.
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/remo...variation.html

Last edited by Folkie; 2 weeks ago at 03:22 PM.. Reason: added missing link
Old 2 weeks ago
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Check out recordings on the british "Meridian" label.

Certainly up to the early 1990s, the vast majority of their recordings were done with a C24, or occasionally a pair of C414. So far as I know they still prefer to work this way. There used to be a note in many of the artwork credits menitoning key equipment used. They may still do that.
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Although I have a great respect for AEA microphones - ribbons do tend to lack a bit at the bass end and AEA only show the frequency response down to 200Hz for the 88 Mk.2, with nothing shown below that.

For recording a grand piano I far prefer spaced omnis that do have an excellent low end response that often go down to 10Hz or lower.
Old 2 weeks ago
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ribbons do tend to lack a bit at the bass end
I have an R88 and (even well beyond proximity effect distances) the LF response is huge, to the extent that stand/floor isolation can be a major consideration.

Up close, it's certainly a wonderful jazz piano sound. Further back, it's not necessarily my first idea of how a classical piano recording should be, but it's a wonderful mic, adding a particular magic to the right sources.


Also - and apologies if this is not applicable - if you're not already familiar with fig 8s and Blumlein, I would strongly suggest borrowing and experimenting first with a pair of neutral, variable pattern LDCs (C414 XLS, or perhaps in your neck of the woods, Milab DC-196) to try out a variety of polar patterns and mic arrangements.

Blumlein and ribbons are both rather 'particular' techniques, and the R88 - while, as I say, a wonderful tool - has a strong and specific personality of its own. It may be that you like the Blumlein configuration, but the classic long ribbon sound is not ideal for your purposes, or vice versa. Experimenting with a 'generic' LDC is very easy, and gives you a basis for comparing the R88 or other ribbons in due course.
Old 1 week ago
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Not classical,
But I used one Stereo Royer SF-12 on Ahmad Jamal's Steinway D way back in 2003, for his recording of, "In Search of Momentum".
He loved the sound, as did I.
Old 1 week ago
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Did a piano stereo recording comparison. Blumlein is one of them. Plus a Blumlein added with an Omni center.


Uncompressed audio download:
190404_PF_Stereo.wav - Google Drive

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Did a piano stereo recording comparison. Blumlein is one of them. Plus a Blumlein added with an Omni center.
..yay, now, finally, at last..a meaningful comparison of B9 mics on a known source, and against Schoeps ORTF.... been waiting such a long time for this !
Old 1 week ago
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..yay, now, finally, at last..a meaningful comparison of B9 mics on a known source, and against Schoeps ORTF.... been waiting such a long time for this !
Want to study some more, especially DPA 4006, 4015, 4041...
If I can afford, want to do this with Steinway D or Fazioli 228, 278, 308..., although I get the chance to record those piano, but no chance to setup whole bunch of microphones for a formal concert.
This Yamaha G3 piano is 40+ years old. Although well maintained, still too far from those gorgeous piano.
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Thank you very much for taking the time to do this.
I hate to ask for more, but would it be possible to get a sequential list of all the mics used, so that it is not necessary to watch the video each time I listen to the wav files provided at the download link?

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Old 1 week ago
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Did a piano stereo recording comparison. Blumlein is one of them. Plus a Blumlein added with an Omni center.

Uncompressed audio download:
190404_PF_Stereo.wav - Google Drive
Hi 9sbean,
do you have polar diagramms of the figure of 8 mic?
Thanks!
Old 1 week ago
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Hi 9sbean,
do you have polar diagramms of the figure of 8 mic?
Thanks!
Is it in this document ? https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/48a...r2o_788352.pdf
Old 1 week ago
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Thank you very much for taking the time to do this.
I hate to ask for more, but would it be possible to get a sequential list of all the mics used, so that it is not necessary to watch the video each time I listen to the wav files provided at the download link?
0:27 Schoeps MSTC64 ORTF
1:51 B9audio FSM44V ORTF, side address capsules CV4F
3:14 B9audio FSM44V XY, side address capsule CV4F
4:37 B9audio FSM88 Blumlein (= CSM88), C8
5:59 B9audio FTM882, Blumlein + Omni, C8 and C2F
7:22 B9audio FSM22 on Ball (Binaural), C2F
8:44 B9audio FQM2288 on Ball (Binaural + Fig-8), C2F and C8
10:07 B9audio FSM318 MS stereo, C31F(wide cardioid) + C8 MS stereo
Uncompressed audio file download. 190404_PF_Stereo.wav - Google Drive

Recording setting:
Schoeps MSTC64, Sound Devices 552 direct out to Video Devices PIX270 analog input
B9audio Blumlein , Sound Devices 552 direct out to Video Devices PIX270 analog input
B9audio Omni between Blumlein , Sound Devices 552 direct out to Video Devices PIX270 analog input
B9audio FSM44V 1st pair: Tascam HS-P82, AES digital out to Video Devices PIX270
B9audio FSM44V 2nd pair: Tascam HS-P82, AES digital out to Video Devices PIX270
B9audio FQM2288: Tascam HS-P82, AES digital out to Video Devices PIX270
B9audio FSM318 , Sound Devices MixPre out to Video Devices PIX270 analog input
Old 1 week ago
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Here's one I did earlier.
AKG C426B vs MKH30/30 or 40/30 for field recording

This fellow used to be mad about blumlein on piano.
YouTube
Pianist James Boyk's Albums and Book

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Old 1 week ago
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Here's one I did earlier.
You also had an inspiring version of the same recording with a very widely spaced Schoeps 21 pair added as flanks.
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