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MixPre: setting gain when MS linking Condenser Microphones
Old 6 days ago
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MixPre: setting gain when MS linking

I use an MKH 8060 with a CCM 8 for MS. The MKH 8060 having an output of 63 mV/Pa and the CCM 8 of just 12 mV/Pa I generally want about 10 dB more gain on the side channel to get good recording levels.

Linking channels for stereo on the MixPre 6 includes linking the gain settings (what is a good thing) but beside linking it forces the gain settings to default to the same level. As far as I know there is no way around this or am I missing something here?

Other recorders (e.g. Aaton Cantar) respect the difference in gain you set before linking as far as I know.
Old 6 days ago
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There must be off set trim surely
Gain matching (and mic matching!) is essential imho
Old 6 days ago
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Why not adjust the width (fader knob 2)? That is simply adjusting the difference in the gain between the M and S mic.

Cheers,

Roland
Old 5 days ago
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Thanks for the tip with the width. I tried that but it has no influence on the iso track. Is there a way to set it so it does? I don’t think so...
Old 5 days ago
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Thanks for the tip with the width. I tried that but it has no influence on the iso track. Is there a way to set it so it does? I don’t think so...
Sounds like you have the MS decode set to Mix only rather than ISOs and Mix (change via inputs setting).

R
Old 5 days ago
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Originally Posted by norfolksoundman9 View Post
Sounds like you have the MS decode set to Mix only rather than ISOs and Mix (change via inputs setting).

R
Yes, I surely don't want to have it decoded on the iso tracks. Every post guy I know asks to get the M and S as separated signals.
Old 5 days ago
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Originally Posted by tomiks View Post
Yes, I surely don't want to have it decoded on the iso tracks. Every post guy I know asks to get the M and S as separated signals.
Sure, but using the width function to match levels between the M & S mics will only work when decoding. If I had two mics with very different outputs (my MS mics are usually very similar/matched) I wouldn't link at all, but would set levels appropriately and independently for each mic, record M & S as ISOs and monitor in LR via the MS headphone preset. If that doesn't work for you and your workflow (are you using MS in conjunction with several other mics?), then submit a request to SD: many of us requested changes to the MS functionality that has progressed with firmware releases.

Cheers,

Roland
Old 5 days ago
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Hi Roland,

thanks again for your help. Linking is a fine thing in documentary work where you often have to be quick and can't anticipate what will happen next, so limiters are very welcome little helpers but they really need to be linked for proper stereo work. I already discussed the matter with SD but I had the feeling they didn't completely understand my point. Anyway, at the end they said they will think about it as a feature request for a future firmware update but I haven't had any news since then.

Regards,
Tom
Old 5 days ago
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What about inserting a -10db mic pad on the center channel mic before the micpre.
Old 3 days ago
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Is there any objective way of figuring out relative m to s ratios for different mics? Given that you know sensitive, impedance, etc.?
Old 3 days ago
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Its normally 10 dB ish tween M and S peaks on a PPM.
I never iso though
Listen in mono for balance and add S for width and field
Send that to iso perhaps
It so much easier with matched gain and mics.....
Old 1 day ago
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i'm using an offset as needed (if going for much different mics which i sometimes do) but i'm using a gang function on the gains: i want them to measure the same while recording but i'm mostly mixing the sides lower.
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