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Is Schoeps still king in 2019? Condenser Microphones
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Oh! Nice work.

Thanks.

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LOL!

I had to chuckle when the authoritative poster here stated "Best" was a forbidden term, when the top Forum section on this very site contradicted that. Perhaps it is all tongue in cheek....

Resume your day.
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LOL!

I had to chuckle when the authoritative poster here stated "Best" was a forbidden term, when the top Forum section on this very site contradicted that. Perhaps it is all tongue in cheek....

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True dat!
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Old 5 days ago
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I have owned a broad gamut of Neumann’s, Sennheiser Mkh’s, DPA 4000 series, gefells, AkGs, Royers, AEAs, Coles, etc etc, and I can say that literally every mic I ever used from any of the ones I just listed was high quality kit that turned out professional results. However, I do have to say that my Schoeps mics are consistently my overall favorite microphones for location work. They are wonderfully smooth and neutral and always yield superlative imaging and depth. But - I am just a small studio, and my opinion is worth little in the big picture. It is watching production broadcasts of major orchestras from all over the world and seeing Schoeps mics all over the stages that truly speaks to their status in the industry.
Neutral? I can identify a Schoeps mic within 3 seconds it is so colored and congested.
Old 5 days ago
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"Do most of you professionals still see Schoeps as the "king" in location recording? "

It depends what kind of location recording.
If you're talking about classical music recordings on location, indoor, from solo to symphonic, I would say there is no kings.
I find there is a large offer and then, a matter of taste.

I use Neumann as main when the room is good, when the room is not so good I use some Sennheiser.
To spot strings, winds, brasses, voices, I use microphones from Schoeps, Neumann, Royer...

I already wrote somewhere that, for example, I don't like the MK4, but I bought MK22s to spot violins and violas and MK2s when I have to spot a piano. I used the MK2 over an organ weeks ago and was really impressed by the quality of the low register response.
I tried a full Neumann setup and was really disappointed by how sounds a KM184 as spot in a M150 pair over a harp, for example (but BIS work with a lot of 184, so...).
Disappointed too when I tried to blend some MK21 (spot over a Steinway) into a MKH800 Twin main pair.

Choice is a matter of taste, and the Schoeps MK22 was for me better than everything else I tried, including Sennheiser MKH8040 or MKH40, KM184, TLM107, CM-3, MK012... to spot the way I wanted the upper strings, in a Neumann or a Sennheiser main pair.

Some will say DPA or nothing etc, Schoeps or nothing, Sennheiser or Neumann or nothing...
I try to find what sounds the best to my ears. No kings, maybe a federal setup!

Fred.
In a bad room I would use Schoeps because of soundstage, softening and veiling. Great room DPA’s.
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In a bad room I would use Schoeps because of soundstage, softening and veiling. Great room DPA’s.
DPA def more flat than the Schoeps! One thing i'll say with the Schoeps CMIT is that it's very finicky with placement. I'm not a big video production guy, i got one just to add to the collection for when i do some video stuff. I've tried it in all kinds of rooms at close n far ranges. To me it sounds best when you have it above head about 15 inches slightly pointed towards the mouth. I don't like it that much too close, not a bad sound close but to me it's value is in booming as i'm guessing what it was designed for.
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One thing i'll say with the Schoeps CMIT is that it's very finicky with placement.
This is exactly why the boom operator's position is still valuable today, even while producers and post production think that simply wiring every actor up and having their dialog available on a fader is good sound for movies and (especially) TV. You know what? Wiring every actor makes for exceedingly boring sound for motion pictures and TV. No ideas about sound matching picture or sound perspective. But it's cheap in post (no mixing abilities are needed and every postie is on a "per episode" rate which makes time to mix only count against the re-re's income) and on the set (no skilled sound personnel needed, either on the mic end or at the cart end.

Sorry to be so harsh, but any sound monkey can mix TV now days. I know. I've done it both ways.

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Neutral? I can identify a Schoeps mic within 3 seconds it is so colored and congested.
When I am driving my car which has a really bad car stereo, I can identify an all Schoeps recording in 2 seconds !
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When I am driving my car which has a really bad car stereo, I can identify an all Schoeps recording in 2 seconds !
That's because all material that makes it through to broadcast status on your car radio has been recorded with Schoeps mics They must be truly awful transducers to have been adopted so universally across the globe....
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That's because all material that makes it through to broadcast status on your car radio has been recorded with Schoeps mics They must be truly awful transducers to have been adopted so universally across the globe....
Of course you are right, but it still does not change my reality. I must be over sensitive to the one thing they do not do well at all.

Kind of like an oyster or caviar allergy

On a string section, 90% of the sound is the mic sound instead of the expensive instruments. Cannot change the way I hear it, sorry.
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I can identify a Schoeps mic within 3 seconds it is so colored and congested.

Comparing DPA 4021, Neumann KM 184, Neumann KM 143 and Schoeps MK 21 on piano.



Which track is Schoeps ?
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What's the password to open the key txt file? Thanks
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Some poster's credibility is being lost moment by moment, post by post here.

Already the statements and opinions of some known posters are on deep discount here.
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[URL="https://www.gearslutz.com/board/remote-possibilities-in-acoustic-music-and-location-recording/644759-cm3-really-good-36.html#post10560804"]
Comparing DPA 4021, Neumann KM 184, Neumann KM 143 and Schoeps MK 21 on piano.[/]

Which track is Schoeps ?
Track 2. BTW...I record wind band and orchestra. Solo instrument is more difficult (for me). Schoeps for solo instrument is fine if not preferred. Large acoustical ensembles where entrances, timbres, range I find Schoeps to be veiled and smearing and congested when what you want is clarity and definition.
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What's the password to open the key txt file? Thanks
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Track 2.
No, it's 1.
Old 4 days ago
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No, it's 1.
That was my second guess. But as I said....large wind band or orchestra is easy because of Schoeps veiling, congestion and smearing. It’s like a smoothie of banana, strawberry and pineapple versus cut fruit not blended. When I record those large ensembles, I want to hear definition (cut fruit) versus smearing (smooths). Schoeps is a foggy window versus a just wi sexed window. I hear the preamp is the issue versus the capsule.
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That was my second guess. But as I said....large wind band or orchestra is easy because of Schoeps veiling, congestion and smearing. It’s like a smoothie of banana, strawberry and pineapple versus cut fruit not blended. When I record those large ensembles, I want to hear definition (cut fruit) versus smearing (smooths). Schoeps is a foggy window versus a just wi sexed window. I hear the preamp is the issue versus the capsule.
So in another words.... You like it raw!. I hear ya
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Some poster's credibility is being lost moment by moment, post by post here.
I smell $3000 interconnect cables.

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Old 4 days ago
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Everybody has to be passive aggressive and bully others because they don’t like how someone else communicates because, you know, people should be more like themselves. Narcissistic much? # stereotypicalrecordingtypes
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I wasn't being passive aggressive. I was being sarcastic.

If you took it as a personal affront, you're doing it wrong.

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That link gets me in a thread, but I cannot find the post with the sound files ?
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It works for me: it links to my post #1058 on 16th November 2014 in thread entitled CM3 - really THAT good?.
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It took me to post 701 ...

Anyway, in this comparison I by far prefer nr3. It is the only version which sounds "free". nr 4 sounds nasty. nr2 sounds as if there is a handbrake on all the time. nr1 is quite ok, it has some resonant quality which nr3 does not have and which I do not really like.

Hard to judge, not used to micing this close ...
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Everybody has to be passive aggressive and bully others because they don’t like how someone else communicates because, you know, people should be more like themselves. Narcissistic much? # stereotypicalrecordingtypes
Not passive agressive here. I was straight forward in telling you that your posts are now on deep discount here. Schoeps= veiled, harsh, foggy, (not cut fruit), smeared and congested???

Cannabis resin?
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Cannabis resin?
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They sure are.

But I wouldn't want to lay odds on how long that will continue. The technology of those mics is getting very, very long in the tooth. Few companies (Schoeps inclusive) see a positive ROI on doing really deep research and development, so things kind of ground to a halt in the 1970s. But there is a lot of money washing around China and that will change. Microphones are one kind of technology that is ripe for a really radical leap forward. There should be whole new kinds of transducers by now.
The materials available for caps and transformers has gone down hill since WWII. We used up the good metals fighting. The good materials cost to much or are bad for you. For example I have a bunch of beryllium dynamics from Yamaha, I bet they are radio active!

Tooling investments and operator training is where The Germans kicked ass and now China is catcing up. This change you can expect, but will take another few generations to have machining traditions like Germany.

Material science has gone through the roof, but mic design has not changed much other than the KSM8, and people looking at array's that can be focused durring the mix. What has been changing is speakers. Leap and bound in that area, but mic's are just creaping ahead.

To me, The new REDD mic is the first leap over the U49,U50,U67 catagory. So it's taken over 50 years to realy make an improvement in the top end of mic's,

Even then, it will take some doing to have the M50's replaced by whatever Abby road comes up with next.
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But for now, all microphones sound absolutely terrible compared to human hearing, and technological innovation is sorely needed. You only need to step outside and night and listen to a fork hit the sidewalk from half a block away to reflect on the vast gulf between mics and ears.
I think this has a lot to do with how sound refracts around the human head and outer ear as well as the vast amount of auditory processing that goes on in our brains. I think we have some built in diffuse filters, for example. The accuracy(or lack thereof) of the transducer is only part of the problem IMO.
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