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Meet the Coles family Analog Processors (HW)
Old 2 weeks ago
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Meet the Coles family

The 4038 gets quite a bit of reference in this forum, but far less so their other mics, more recently released....

Meet the family....while short-changing the 4038, 'cos it's been in the spotlight since the mid to late 50's already !

The pull-apart 4050 stereo mic...why don't other mfrs do this ?
YouTube
Coles Electroacoustics 4050 | RecordingHacks.com
4050 Stereo Studio Ribbon Microphone

The lollipop-shaped 4030L : http://www.coleselectroacoustics.com.../4030L-mic.pdf
4030L Studio Ribbon Microphone

the 4040: http://recordinghacks.com/microphones/Coles/4040
http://www.coleselectroacoustics.com...bon-microphone

A video comparison of the 3 mono mics, using acoustic and electric guitar, female voice and piano: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPkdoQKDxv4
The laser pointer is a good idea for the gtr amp comparison...you might complain that the magnetic fields of the 3 mics could well be influencing the performance of all when jammed together so closely, but at least they're in each other's nulls !

Hope you enjoy....anyone here using Coles mics other than the 4038's ?
Old 2 weeks ago
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4038, 4040, and 4104 here.
Old 2 weeks ago
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4038, 4040, and 4104 here.
Thanks for those additions, nice to even up the balance by having some reviews of the 4038. I'd avoided the 4104 'lip mic' as I thought it was too specialized to warrant consideration for remote music duties, but some folk might have a use for it ?
Old 2 weeks ago
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... I'd avoided the 4104 'lip mic' as I thought it was too specialized to warrant consideration for remote music duties, but some folk might have a use for it ?
For me it's mostly continuity announcers/presenters in either difficult/noisy environments like OB trucks without isolated presentation areas or when they have to sit in the auditorium without being drowned out by a nearby audience or where you don't want a presenter 'projecting' into a mic and annoying the audience, or when working outdoors at a festival or, less often for me at least, presentation from a motor racing pit lane!

Also for speech/vocals in very niche situations such as when there are extreme PA levels and one needs a cleaner source than is easily obtainable with a more conventional mic setup.

That said, newer technologies in things like headset mics have made the venerable 4104 a less common sight. I just have several of them and they're paid for so they get chucked in to the mic case on any job where there's the slightest chance that they might be useful.
Old 1 week ago
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That's quite a considerable list of situations where a 'virtual isolation booth' type of mic would be very useful away from the studio....I feel quite chastened for having left it out ! Obviously a Swiss Army knife sort of mic for a multitude of purposes...thank you for listing them !
Old 1 week ago
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YouTube

That Youtube presentation gave me no clue as to the quality of the mics as the guy was playing a load of instruments of which I could only really judge the piano and as it was set up and with such crappy playing I ended being none the wiser, so a complete waste of time. But I know these mics are quality mics, so such comparisons with all the bad setups and everything else made them for me personally not very useful.
Old 1 week ago
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I have a Peli full of vintage STC mics
The forerunner of Coles (Colin and Les ex STC )
The 4033, one of the first big boom cardioids, and lots of omnis, these sound really good, even today
The classic Apple and Biscuit (Phil Collins TownHouse drum sound) and the hand held stick mics loved by Monty Python
These perform in all winds and weathers and always looked cool in the right hands
The PGS ribbons are my fave.
Roger
Old 1 week ago
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and with such crappy playing I ended being none the wiser, so a complete waste of time. But I know these mics are quality mics, so such comparisons with all the bad setups and everything else made them for me personally not very useful.
Spoken like a true musician... Not wanting to denigrate that skill at all, but just saying that it can get in the way of more objective judgements...it's almost as if you first judge whether the playing is worthy of admiration or contempt...and after that try to determine the differences between mics (or simply find it impossible, due to bad playing: the brick-wall barrier !)*

As a non-player, I find it extremely easy (eyes closed or open) to discern the differences between those mics on all the samples shown. So...not sure if my non-musicianship is an asset or handicap, in this specific instance ?

*.... this happens quite often in this forum, no matter if the instrument is guitar, organ, harpsichord, voice.....the specialists in each of these always first critique the playing/intonation/phrasing....and only then comment upon the recording, mic placement etc

I find it nigh-impossible to appreciate Monet, Turner, van Gogh and Rembrandt....they used such cheap and shoddy paints and brushes.

Last edited by studer58; 1 week ago at 05:40 AM..
Old 1 week ago
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I have a Peli full of vintage STC mics
The forerunner of Coles (Colin and Les ex STC )
Here's a bit more peering down into the history abyss for you then Roger

STC brochures
Coles Electroacoustics
Old 1 week ago
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Originally Posted by studer58 View Post
Spoken like a true musician... Not wanting to denigrate that skill at all, but just saying that it can get in the way of more objective judgements...it's almost as if you first judge whether the playing is worthy of admiration or contempt...and after that try to determine the differences between mics (or simply find it impossible, due to bad playing: the brick-wall barrier !)*

As a non-player, I find it extremely easy (eyes closed or open) to discern the differences between those mics on all the samples shown. So...not sure if my non-musicianship is an asset or handicap, in this specific instance ?

*.... this happens quite often in this forum, no matter if the instrument is guitar, organ, harpsichord, voice.....the specialists in each of these always first critique the playing/intonation/phrasing....and only then comment upon the recording, mic placement etc

I find it nigh-impossible to appreciate Monet, Turner, van Gogh and Rembrandt....they used such cheap and shoddy paints and brushes.
The simple problem is that a pianist making such as bad sound on a second rate instrument is only going to give you a crap sound from what might be a very good mic. You have to be able to judge the mic and setup, which might be excellent, and that's impossible under the circumstances I've just outlined.

I think it's often true to say that musicians and engineers rarely agree on what is a good sound, although there are times when they do, depending on individuals.
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The simple problem is that a pianist making such as bad sound on a second rate instrument is only going to give you a crap sound from what might be a very good mic. You have to be able to judge the mic and setup, which might be excellent, and that's impossible under the circumstances I've just outlined.

I think it's often true to say that musicians and engineers rarely agree on what is a good sound, although there are times when they do, depending on individuals.
I think that since the YouTube video uses 4 different instrument performance scenarios, it does allow you to find similarities across each of the 3 mics.

Also, being mono takes one variable (mic placement) out of the equation, so it's a more apples vs apples situation than is often the case with shootouts.

I agree it's not ideal, and better examples of each could have been chosen...but even as presented, the differences between the mics are evident.
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