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DPA 6060, a 3mm lav!!
Old 14th September 2018
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DPA 6060, a 3mm lav!!

DPA Delivers Exquisite Sound With Its Tiniest Ever Microphone Capsules

The new 3 mm Subminiature Headset and Lavalier Microphone from DPA Microphone

It is teeny tiny!

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Allen Lee Williams III ("Sound Speeds") has published his review of the DPA's d:screet 6060: YouTube
Old 14th September 2018
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DPA Delivers Exquisite Sound With Its Tiniest Ever Microphone Capsules

The new 3 mm Subminiature Headset and Lavalier Microphone from DPA Microphone

It is teeny tiny!

YouTube

Allen Lee Williams III ("Sound Speeds") has published his review of the DPA's d:screet 6060: YouTube
Okay, but if this is their touted "game changer," they jumped the shark.

Microphone technology is general is ripe for a whole new way of collecting sound, so color me nonplussed.

They just rubbed me the wrong way with my number one pet peeve: a youtube video that talks about a microphone for [x] minutes and doesn't demo the actual audio from the mic. They do have samples on their site but it doesn't sound great.
Old 14th September 2018
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Full samples are on the site ,with all placements
Noise floor of 24-26 dB (A) is never going to please music recordists, but size reduction is helpful for concealment
Lets hope they are robust and can survive handling by Actors having a strop.....
My 4060s were occasionally beheaded by Thesps ripping them off.
Old 14th September 2018
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They just rubbed me the wrong way with my number one pet peeve: a youtube video that talks about a microphone for [x] minutes and doesn't demo the actual audio from the mic. They do have samples on their site but it doesn't sound great.
Listen to the comparisons that Allen gave in the video I shared above.
Old 14th September 2018
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These look pretty great. The specs are on point to the 406x mics, so they should integrate very well with other DPA microphones.

For my purposes, these will be desirable if the price point does not exceed the 406x line of mics and for the sake of hiding lav mics on actors. If they cost more than the 406x mics, then I will keep doing what I do and not buy into them, most likely.

FWIW, to my ears, the DPA 4060/ 4061 sounds noticeably better than all the other likely candidates for lav mics on talent. And they are the only lav mics I would use for live music, live music recording or studio recording. They are not just the best lav mics to my ears, but are indeed great all around microphones as far as I am concerned.

So again, the good news is these 6060 mics, according to the specs, will fit right in with the existing DPA mic line.

I do agree these are NOT game changing, UNLESS you routinely hide microphones on actors in difficult situations because the 4060 mic capsules are just a little large/ a little difficult to hide sometimes when compared to the Countryman B6. Indeed, I am forced to guess DPA intended to make a competitive microphone for the B6.
Old 4 weeks ago
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I reviewed the 6060 for studio use (with audio examples @48kHz/16-bit WAV): DPA Microphones d:screet 6060 Series Subminiature Microphone

One of the best mics I've ever used on instruments and amps; beautiful sound and very easy to use. Great space-saver too.
Old 4 weeks ago
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I am sure there will be a market for this and porbably 007 has already ordered a bunch of these, but I find the 4060 already quite noisy and with a so much smaller capsule, the 6060 must be very noisy indeed. I see little use for it in recording of music, but I might be wrong of course.
Old 4 weeks ago
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I am sure there will be a market for this and porbably 007 has already ordered a bunch of these, but I find the 4060 already quite noisy and with a so much smaller capsule, the 6060 must be very noisy indeed. I see little use for it in recording of music, but I might be wrong of course.
Have you tried the 6060? I'm not sure it follows that if the capsule is smaller it must be noisier: not my experience anyway. Did you hear the audio examples I posted with the review? My experience is that the 6060 is much less noisy than the 4060. I heard no noise at all. IME it's a very good mic for music. I wish I had one to keep.
Old 4 weeks ago
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Taylor 414ce into 6060 into Focusrite Saffire preamp and conversion:

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Old 4 weeks ago
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Hi Arthur,

Nice to hear that you liked them for music. I did listen to your files, but I found it difficult to judge the noise level...
Old 4 weeks ago
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Hi Arthur,

Nice to hear that you liked them for music. I did listen to your files, but I found it difficult to judge the noise level...
Hey, thanks Lucas. I'm reviewing the headset version soon so I'll bear your comments in mind and have a good look at the self-noise. EDIT: I'll make sure to test with the Sound Devices 702 rather than the Focusrite Saffire.

I'm in a home studio; I just quickly taped the 6060 on a load of instruments and amps and hit record. I appreciate that you and a lot of the remote guys are dealing with orchestras, professional situations, etc. and I'm not trying to suggest my experience is relevant there. Still I was surprised how easy it was to get good quality results on such a wide range of sources.

Anyway the 6060 has a lot lower self-noise than the 4060 I tested a couple of years back. More headroom and cleaner.

Best : D

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Old 4 weeks ago
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Anyway the 6060 has a lot lower self-noise than the 4060 I tested a couple of years back. More headroom and cleaner.
4060 is 23 dB(A) self noise, 6060 is 24 dB(A) self noise
Old 4 weeks ago
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4060 is 23 dB(A) self noise, 6060 is 24 dB(A) self noise
With respect, I think you'd need to physically compare the mics yourself to understand that the published specs are only a guide and not a rule of practical application. The self-noise is just one spec too; in context with the other specs, it gives an indication that the performance is as I described.

I mention this in the review (below the specs section):
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..Whatever the specs say in comparison to other mics, the important points are the audio quality and ease-of-application...
I don't expect anyone to take my word for it but also I'm just honestly reporting my findings.


Interestingly (after reading your post and post my own review) I read that Simon Clark at Resolution Magazine had a similar experience/impression independently to mine:
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...The 6000 came out 3.5dB below the 4000, and the only manipulation I made was to boost it by this amount in order to make it easier to compare like-for-like aurally...
TBH I didn't read any of the specs (or reviews) prior to writing the 6060 review (I didn't actually have the time to as it was an unexpected 'rush job'); I go on vibe and intuition about the gear. It's noteworthy that Richard Brooker says:
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..now the 6060 is even better and, somehow, smaller. I find it remarkable that we can achieve studio quality sound from a microphone that small. For me, it is the best miniature capsule DPA have ever made.
Which is basically what I've said too.
Don't shoot the messenger, please.

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Old 4 weeks ago
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4060 is 23 dB(A) self noise, 6060 is 24 dB(A) self noise
Arguably more significant than the numbers are the spectral breadth and content of the noise....as contingent upon how noticeable it might be. The weighting may give some insight, but is the noise a bright hiss...a dull hiss...a low roar or rumble...are there hum components ?

The numbers alone only tell you so much, you need to audition in as close to your own usage situation as possible. If you intend to use several of them simultaneously, how will the noise add/combine, for example ?
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Can't deny the laws of physics - the smaller the diaphragm, the higher the self noise. I suppose its possible to have a larger diaphragm and poor electronics that is noisier than the smaller diaphragm with excellent electronics, but aracu's posted specs (#12) would seem to support that the smaller DPA is slightly noisier...
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This is also assuming equal mic output levels...a lower output mic with lower self noise could well end up being subjectively noisier than a mic with higher output (and fractionally higher self-noise). Once you amplify the first's output to match the second, you've also amplified its self noise into the bargain...and that noise could end up being more audible, once output levels are matched.

This sort of dilemma bedevils ribbon mic owners, and is why Cloudlifters are a mixed blessing. No free lunch. Self noise can interact with typical location room noise....aircon, traffic. If the mic's self noise characteristic matches that of the room's noise spectrum, it can make the contribution of both more noticeable.

Rent, borrow, hire a prospective new mic and test it in combat conditions to see if it's going to work for you...before buying

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Old 4 weeks ago
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Can't deny the laws of physics - the smaller the diaphragm, the higher the self noise. I suppose its possible to have a larger diaphragm and poor electronics that is noisier than the smaller diaphragm with excellent electronics, but aracu's posted specs (#12) would seem to support that the smaller DPA is slightly noisier...
Mmm. It doesn't sound noisier and at least three people who have actually used and compared the mics agree. Of course, perhaps we are mistaken and an abstract scientific notion is correct?
Old 4 weeks ago
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Mmm. It doesn't sound noisier and at least three people who have actually used and compared the mics agree. Of course, perhaps we are mistaken and an abstract scientific notion is correct?
Physics has taken quite a drubbing in these parts lately (viz.the cable thread) so I will defer to the 'ear' folks on this one and quietly bow out of this discussion of some fine mics that I am unlikely to own...
Old 4 weeks ago
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Physics has taken quite a drubbing in these parts lately (viz.the cable thread) so I will defer to the 'ear' folks on this one and quietly bow out of this discussion of some fine mics that I am unlikely to own...
You have a great point though Jim and I'll take all the comments about the specs onboard for the headset review. Much appreciated
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