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What is the next BIG thing in remote recording?
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What is the next BIG thing in remote recording?

Just curious as to what others think?

Big steps so far, IMHO.

Analog to digital transition.

Addition of video to remote recordings.

Smaller and lighter remote recording setups.

Digital snakes.

Digital microphones.

Cheaper startup cost.

Free editing software.

Free plugins.

DIY recording by performers.

Large remote trucks slowly going away.

More and more institutions having in house setups for recording both audio and video.

Tablets and cellphones doing on-location recordings.

The death of the CD and DVD and posting everything to the WWW.

More to be added....
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The death of the CD and DVD and posting everything to the WWW.
This is a big one, at least for musicians. We recorded a CD a few years back, and after the initial flurry of sales it's clear our only remaining sales will happen at gigs. All of our stuff is online as well through the usual venues such as Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon, Deezer, Google Play, Youtube, and all of that together generates about 5 cents per month in revenue.

Video is a requirement now; for many festivals and other opportunities we are now asked to provide a video. Doing your own video requires a lot of investment up front and adds a huge layer of complication and a lot of training to get to a professional level, so this is an area where there's still likely to be demand for professionals for quite some time.

What's the next big change? I have no idea. I do think, though, that there will always be a niche market for high-quality professional recordings.
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Next big change will be we'll all get paid fairly ! Musicians included !
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Tape!!! But seriously, this relates to an idea I have been pondering lately. How is AI going to affect music/recording etc. Izotope began integrating AI and machine learning into RX6 then into Neutron. It is all still new but I wonder which directions this will go. People in tech seem to think that AI is going to impact every industry just as the internet did. I wonder...
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How is AI going to affect music/recording etc. Izotope began integrating AI and machine learning into RX6 then into Neutron. It is all still new but I wonder which directions this will go. People in tech seem to think that AI is going to impact every industry just as the internet did. I wonder...
Now that you bring it up, I do think this will be the next big thing. It's already becoming a factor in photography; a couple of the post-processing apps I use for photography use AI and they do a surprisingly good job, and the newish Google Clips camera uses AI.

I could see the day (maybe it's already arrived) when someone could say to their computer, "here are my tracks, make them sound like this example album."
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I went to a Bad Company show at the local Del Mar San Diego County fair. With the dinner ticket I got a free CD of the show. When I walked out it was given to me, mixed, pressed and done.
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Wireless Dante mics. I want to be able to set up a WAP, connect all mics to it, then hit record. Not necessarily only remote, but sure would be sweet in the field. As much as cable wrapping is a zen moment for me, I wouldn't miss it.

Yeah yeah, go ahead and worry about wireless interference, bandwidth (must be lossless), etc. There's gotta be a solution.
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Wireless low latency servo control of pan/tilt/zoom. (I don't care if the video is getting stored on camera.) The downside of remote control vs. a cameraperson is the jerky linear transitions - if I could run a camera remotely with that "manual touch" it would open up a significant market.
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Wireless Dante mics. I want to be able to set up a WAP, connect all mics to it, then hit record. Not necessarily only remote, but sure would be sweet in the field. As much as cable wrapping is a zen moment for me, I wouldn't miss it.

Yeah yeah, go ahead and worry about wireless interference, bandwidth (must be lossless), etc. There's gotta be a solution.
There is... it's called wireless mics with Dante built into the receiver. Available now. Built with that architecture (separate receiver) for a reason.
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Not really clear on what you mean by Dante wireless and as Tim said, there are Dante wireless receivers from most of the major players.

I have had years and years (and years. Remember HME wireless. Or Cerwin Vega?) of time with wireless and I have never heard a wireless that sounds nearly as good as a hard wire. Even with the very best.

I'll continue to zen out and wrap up mic cable. It could be worse. It could be 4/0 AC feeder. 208VAC wireless? Now THAT would be the trick.

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Wireless low latency servo control of pan/tilt/zoom. (I don't care if the video is getting stored on camera.) The downside of remote control vs. a cameraperson is the jerky linear transitions - if I could run a camera remotely with that "manual touch" it would open up a significant market.
There's an android app to remotely control the Zhiyun Smooth Q gimbal for action cameras and it does a pretty amazing job of smoothing out camera transitions. There's probably some remote control app for the gimbals for larger cameras.

And.. wireless remote control might be the area where there might be some useful developments for video and audio.
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I'm talking about a digital mic such as Solution D, taking those bits and connecting them wirelessly to a Dante network. Then being able to do that 24x or 48x (arbitrary number of mics) to a small wireless access point, which connects to a computer or computers for recording.

I'm not talking about a 3U 8-channel receiver such as Senn Digital 9000. This would be much more elegant.
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Tape!!! But seriously, this relates to an idea I have been pondering lately. How is AI going to affect music/recording etc. Izotope began integrating AI and machine learning into RX6 then into Neutron. It is all still new but I wonder which directions this will go. People in tech seem to think that AI is going to impact every industry just as the internet did. I wonder...
Precisely. I’m thinking that it’s not too far away where some sort of system comprises a half dozen small (wireless) mics that are placed in and around a group and the machine does the settings, mix and master. Mono, stereo, 5.1, Atmos etc.

Tell the box it’s classical, folk, jazz, rockabilly etc etc and it’ll do the job. And as others have pointed out, sales are so poor anyway, it’ll simply be for advertising on the ‘net so played through earbuds at best.

Given what IRCAM have done with their research and products like SPAT etc there are going to be a few surprises coming.

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I'm talking about a digital mic such as Solution D, taking those bits and connecting them wirelessly to a Dante network.
So far the success of digital microphones is very limited and there is a reason for it. So I think also in the near future digital mics will be a niche product.


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taking those bits and connecting them wirelessly to a Dante network.
Recording via Dante or other audio networks is very attractive. But wireless I wouldn´t trust so far. A network cable is light and easy to use compared to heavy snakes and more robust than any WLAN.
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So far the success of digital microphones is very limited and there is a reason for it. So I think also in the near future digital mics will be a niche product.
...and would you say is the reason?
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It took 80 years but we have come full circle: Media, radio, delivered a sample of Gene Autry, The Chuck Wagon Gang, The Sons of the Pioneers and ticket buyers showed up at a given venue to see and support an act they had "adopted" from radio performance. Honest web video, more live than produced, with well done audio that displays the acts ability to connect with an audience is todays enticement for fans to fork over $50., more of less, to see the talent displayed in their video.
There are many options for digital down loads of recorded audio that has performed the "last rites" over CD sales. Just as it was 80 years ago todays musicians rely on touring for cash flow: The symbiotic gate keeping relationship between labels and top 40 radio selling electronic manufactured performances is no longer a viable business plan. They are thankfully the big losers in the subject paradigm shift.
Americans love music, they always have and always will, however the ability to forecast periodic changes in taste is above most of our pay grades. The most important quality we must pursue is identifying the obvious opportunities created when these changes occur.
Hugh

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I'm talking about a digital mic such as Solution D, taking those bits and connecting them wirelessly to a Dante network. Then being able to do that 24x or 48x (arbitrary number of mics) to a small wireless access point, which connects to a computer or computers for recording.

I'm not talking about a 3U 8-channel receiver such as Senn Digital 9000. This would be much more elegant.
The issue is that wireless mics using current radio tech are just too... lossy for audio over IP.

The beauty of the current systems with dedicated receivers is that they put a lot of processing into compensating for the weaknesses of radio to create a good audio signal BEFORE putting it on a reliable IP network.

Now....if we see increases in reliability in wireless networking, then I'm sure the audio-over-IP solutions will take advantage of it.
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...and would you say is the reason?
The reason for the non existing success of digital microphones is.

- you need a interface to sync several microphones. There are 2 modes of sync but in each you need something like in the Solution D byNeumann.

- the built in converter has to offer a high dynamic range. Neumann or others do that via feeding 2 or more converters with different gain.

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development of digital audio moves faster than the analog part of the microphone. You can use a 30 years old mic or even older anytime. But could you imagine to use a 30 years old converter?

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sound and emotional factors
People want to combine their microphones with different preamps like a more neutral preamp with detail for a classical piano recording and a more colored preamp for may be a vocal recording - both with the same microphone.

I think besides the first technical points the last point is a important one - emotions.
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The reason for the non existing success of digital microphones is.

- you need a interface to sync several microphones. There are 2 modes of sync but in each you need something like in the Solution D byNeumann.

- the built in converter has to offer a high dynamic range. Neumann or others do that via feeding 2 or more converters with different gain.

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development of digital audio moves faster than the analog part of the microphone. You can use a 30 years old mic or even older anytime. But could you imagine to use a 30 years old converter?

-
sound and emotional factors
People want to combine their microphones with different preamps like a more neutral preamp with detail for a classical piano recording and a more colored preamp for may be a vocal recording - both with the same microphone.

I think besides the first technical points the last point is a important one - emotions.
Really good points here. One of the things I hate about the digital world is how quality gear becomes obsolete. Though I agree that there can be some benefits to digital microphones I think that the microphone is one of those things that is better left analog. IMHO
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Newcomer advise. Always buy mics. Never buy digital gear. One will retain its value. One won't.

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Newcomer advise. Always buy mics. Never buy digital gear. One will retain its value. One won't.

D.
Transducers (mics and speakers) are also the only things that software can't replace.
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i'm more interested in the value gear has for my daily work - and that's mostly digital these days, including some 'digital' mics.

(i still have my mci jh500/studer a800/neumann u67/la2a's etc, but my digital gear - some of which i've been using for 20 years now - serves my pretty well, mostly better than my old analog gear actually: wouldn't wanna go back to tape delay...)
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Total agreement here pursuant to transducers: what about pre amps and op amps?
Hugh
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