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Old 12th June 2018
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Manfrotto Greatest Hits

I have been putting together a wishlist of manfrotto products for the past few weeks and want to pull the trigger soon on at least some of it.
It's amazing the possibilities if you start thinking creatively.
What manfrotto ideas have you had?
What's in your bag?
Anything to share?
Anything you couldn't live without?

Manfrotto:
244N Magic arm
035 [Magic arm] Super clamp (and spigot and adapters)
059 Dado
1004 master stand
172 weights
124 clamp
494 ball head or 026 Lite Tite to create right angles between a boom and a stereo bar
099 Extension rod

are all there alongside some bushings and adapters, then a second 1051 stand, a nano stand and then a heavy duty stand and more extension rods are on the agenda over the next 6 months.
Old 12th June 2018
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I love Manfrotto products! They are well engineered and well built.

Couldn't live without a few Super clamps in my kit, along with a bunch of different studs and solid extension arms. The Magic Arm is another problem solver that allows you to appear graceful in a moment of panic when you are trying to configure something to something else and you are out of tricks.

BTW, I walked into a thrift store today hoping to find a couple of work shirts and walked out with a Manfrotto 55XProB tripod fitted with a 229 head, for $20 Canadian (about $15USD). With the right fixtures and adapters I will use it to support Camcorders, DSLRs, projectors, portable audio recorders for the rest of my natural born days. I can't see a single point of failure (without extreme abuse) ever in something with such a robust build.

You pay a bit more for quality, but you cry a lot less, imo.
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I have been putting together a wishlist of manfrotto products for the past few weeks and want to pull the trigger soon on at least some of it.
It's amazing the possibilities if you start thinking creatively.
What manfrotto ideas have you had?
What's in your bag?
Anything to share?
Anything you couldn't live without?

Manfrotto:
244N Magic arm
035 [Magic arm] Super clamp (and spigot and adapters)
059 Dado
1004 master stand
172 weights
124 clamp
494 ball head or 026 Lite Tite to create right angles between a boom and a stereo bar
099 Extension rod

are all there alongside some bushings and adapters, then a second 1051 stand, a nano stand and then a heavy duty stand and more extension rods are on the agenda over the next 6 months.
In addition to the stuff on your list I always have with me:
- more 035 Super Clamps
- more 1004 Master Stands to hold screens, cloths etc. besides extra room mics
- Backlite Stand 012B
- a few Spring Clamps 175 to hold absorber cushions
- Flexible Arms 237
- Extension 042 for use with Super Clamps
- lots of different studs to improvise connections
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Old 14th June 2018
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One thing I'm wondering about for the future is making a manfrotto version of a panamic cathedral stand style stand (i.e. heavy round base, boom, boom...) Has anyone tried that for when the wide base of most manfrottos would create too much visual messiness right in front of the musicians? The other option is booming from the side with something like the 269 stand.
Old 14th June 2018
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In addition to the stuff on your list I always have with me:
- more 035 Super Clamps
- more 1004 Master Stands to hold screens, cloths etc. besides extra room mics
- Backlite Stand 012B
- a few Spring Clamps 175 to hold absorber cushions
- Flexible Arms 237
- Extension 042 for use with Super Clamps
- lots of different studs to improvise connections
Great recommendations, especially for photography and video applications.

I'm surprised I've never seen anyone creatively use the 627 panoramic head or similar as part of a stereo microphone angling system.

I'm also surprised that I've seen a few lighting booms with a mechanical control on one end to angle the other end which would be great for audio work.

The faster that stands and cables work with you, the more time for re-angling and adjustment.
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Old 14th June 2018
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Old 14th June 2018
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YouTube
I can't seem to even find this boom never mind more like it, but it seems really useful for audio (skip to 1:40)
Old 14th June 2018
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For microphones?
And surely only one?
three would be hilarious and bulky to see, one for each mic and one for the whole system...
Particularly in one-stand live situations this helps finding the correct angling of the whole array very quickly. When your mics are high up above an orchestra and you have to bring down the array every time you want to make a small change this is very time consuming. With this head you simply can stay on the ground and listen to the adjustments in real time. It's quite a light thing.
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One thing I'm wondering about for the future is making a manfrotto version of a panamic cathedral stand style stand (i.e. heavy round base, boom, boom...) Has anyone tried that for when the wide base of most manfrottos would create too much visual messiness right in front of the musicians? The other option is booming from the side with something like the 269 stand.
I bought one of these:
Black Small Foot Base

it fits my manfrotto/Wesdooley 3 part extension tube (goes to 3m50). I put a cheapo boom arm on it, in two sections, with either 1m40 reach or 2m up.

Works nicely if you can put the stand on-stage.

+1 on the Dado by the way. I use it all the time for blumlein and vertically aligned MS microphones.
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Old 14th June 2018
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I wish Manfrotto would reissue their 3-tier keyboard stand. I loved that stand! An A-frame style that could be set up and torn down in seconds and solid as a rock. I believe it was distributed by Korg under the "Keyman Stand Innovations" brand. FWIW Sequenz (also distributed by Korg) has similar hardware design but they don't have a 3-tier version as far as I can tell.

Old 14th June 2018
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BTW, I walked into a thrift store today hoping to find a couple of work shirts and walked out with a Manfrotto 55XProB tripod fitted with a 229 head, for $20 Canadian (about $15USD). With the right fixtures and adapters I will use it to support Camcorders, DSLRs, projectors, portable audio recorders for the rest of my natural born days. I can't see a single point of failure (without extreme abuse) ever in something with such a robust build.

You pay a bit more for quality, but you cry a lot less, imo.
I wish I had seen that! I saw a few tripods in a value village yesterday and hoped I'd have similar luck.
Old 15th June 2018
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I wish I had seen that! I saw a few tripods in a value village yesterday and hoped I'd have similar luck.
I am currently in BC, so no chance you could have beaten me to this one
Old 20th June 2018
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Manfrotto 154b
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Old 2 weeks ago
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Could you give me a Manfrotto solution for a high (4m+) decca tree stand? Or at least the base and the boom?
Thanks!
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154 with longer tube from hardware store. Organ recording. Two M150's and an USM69.
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Old 2 weeks ago
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Could you give me a Manfrotto solution for a high (4m+) decca tree stand? Or at least the base and the boom?
Thanks!
4m is rather high for a "traditional" Decca Tree configuration.
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4m is rather high for a "traditional" Decca Tree configuration.
It is a full 70 orchestra in a big, high concert hall. I don't have too much experience on this kind of work, but I would like to be able to go high with the tree.
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Could you give me a Manfrotto solution for a high (4m+) decca tree stand? Or at least the base and the boom?
Thanks!
Maybe a Manfrotto 154b on the top of the stand with a 099b and 124 combo to go for the front mic.

Or replace the 099b and 124 combo here with the dado kit if you don't need to go that far forward vs. the sides.

Manfrotto 269 will take you up very high but is quite expensive, you could go for another 099b on top of a 1004bac to get you to the right height and then buy some 172 or 023 counter weights to keep the whole thing steady but check the weights at that point.

A latchlake stand by itself might be another option at the manfrotto 269 price, small footprint.

This is all mostly speculation though and you have to check the weights and weight limits, but I have a thorough memory of the manfrotto catalogue at this point... A few more manfrotto bits and bobs showed up to my house today. I'm trying to figure if they manufacture or sell small tubes separately, akin to the Foba combitube stuff or what they have as part of the dado kit, but separately.

Edit:
I found one helpful website - Manfrotto MSY0590A Spare Replacement Parts

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Maybe a Manfrotto 154b on the top of the stand with a 099b and 124 combo to go for the front mic.
Or replace the 099b and 124 combo here with the dado kit if you don't need to go that far forward vs. the sides.

Manfrotto 269 will take you up very high but is quite expensive, you could go for another 099b on top of a 1004bac to get you to the right height and then buy some 172 or 023 counter weights to keep the whole thing steady but check the weights at that point.

A latchlake stand by itself might be another option at the manfrotto 269 price, small footprint.

This is all mostly speculation though and you have to check the weights and weight limits at this point, but I have a thorough memory of the manfrotto catalogue at this point... A bunch more manfrotto stuff showed up today, I'm trying to figure if they manufacture or sell small tubes separately, akin to the Foba combitube stuff or what they have as part of the dado kit, but separately.

Edit:
I found one helpful website - Manfrotto MSY0590A Spare Replacement Parts
Thank you very much for your help!
I will figure it out.
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It is a full 70 orchestra in a big, high concert hall. I don't have too much experience on this kind of work, but I would like to be able to go high with the tree.
4 meters is generous. These two sessions (Budapest Festival Orchestra Mahler 3 and das Lied) were mic'd for surround with a Decca Tree front three mics at 2.75 meters between A and B. They're the mics on the slanted poles. They're about 3 meters high. Of course the positioning is very dependent on the type of microphone used. These BFO sessions employed DPA 4041SP's with their +5dB rise in high frequencies, much like the M-50, which extends their on axis reach.

Also shown is a Polyhymnia session at the Funkhaus Berlin with a similar setup for simultaneous recording of stereo and surround.
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I need a new tall as can be mic stand for organ. Needs to go as tall as possible.

Who makes it, fellas??
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How heavy can it be? Matthews High-Rollers with extentions?
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Updating a post from 2006:

Most of the time I use QP Series Jumbo Boom Poles from Ambient Recording




From the brochure:
"Jumbo booms can be extended up to 12 meters and use segments up to 40 mm in diameter. While not suitable for hand held use, numerous accessories are available for mounting jumbo booms on Manfrotto stands with a cantilevering angle bracket and counterweight. In this configuration they can be used to place microphones up to 12 meters above ground level for studio, classical music on location, church organ, feature film crowd scenes, etc. Jumbos can also be used to position small cameras, lights, measuring instruments and antenna."

I don't know whether I'd trust a Decca Tree of heavy LDCs on one but with care in setting up and taking down a pair of something like M149s is ok up to 30' or so. They'll also carry a full sized Tree of something like Schoeps CCMs or, DPA compacts or Neumann KM100 series on a lightweight mount and the more you reduce the extension and with careful choice of angle the more load they'll carry.

Used vertically/pointing more or less upwards on a stand they're good for 12-15m with a pair of something not too heavy - Schoeps CMCs or equivalent are fine but I wouldn't go with Brauner VM1s! Used at lower angles, with their very long reach they're also excellent for booming mics/arrays into positions which otherwise are hard to reach with more conventional stands.

A complete set of stand, mount, boom and counterweight is quite expensive but they're pretty portable and really flexible for those hard to reach places. They're a comfortable one man lift (in two pieces - boom and stand) and they easily fit into a medium sized estate car (e.g. Audi A6/Subaru Forester).

For taking heavier loads and to go to (a bit) more height I have a Clark Teksam S QT 15/HP pump up ariel mast which goes up to 15m (45' or so) with a 2.5kg (5.5lb) head load.



I sprayed mine black to make it a little more discrete than the yellow one in the picture. Though with something that big, discrete is a relative concept and the upper sections are silver regardless of what colour the base is. (The guy lines in the picture are pretty much essential outdoors but I've never used them inside however my base does have telescopc legs to give more spread for extra stability and I usually add a 10kg sandbag on each leg to be extra sure.)

Obviously, this is just a straight up-down proposition rather than a reaching sideways one, and it requires quite a big flat base area which can be a problem in some places but for weight at height it's a really solid bet.

Clarks make a huge range of masts for civil and military use covering a wide range of heights and headloads up to about 100ft and 500kg So if you wanted to go taller and/or heavier they make things which can do that. Though some do need bolting to heavy things like trucks to be stable so are a tad impractical for most indoor recordings! There's sure to be companies in the US making similar things.

Again, it's not cheap but you can get a carefully balanced Decca Tree of something not too heavy up to about 35-40ft if you really want to; or a pair of Brauner VM1s up to over 45 ft (though you do need to mount the PSUs on the mast if you only have the standard 7.5m cables!).

It folds down small enough to fit into the aforementioned Subaru/Audi and is not too impossible for one man to lug around (in two pieces). However, the Ambient booms are a lot lighter and more flexible, and as I get older I appreciate that difference more!
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If I were simply suspending a lightweight AB bar and a pair of SD mics in front of an organ and wanted height, I'd be inclined to go for a well-tethered helium balloon or two...maybe encased in a lightweight net so it can be anchored via 2 or 3 guy lines (heavyweight fishing line would work)

How high does a mic need to be for an organ recording anyway...we certainly don't listen to the instrument at that height ?
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Thank you for the good replies and suggestions. In general, I need something that will raise an A-B pair to around 35 feet.

The reason to have it is that I combine tall mics with those closer to the pew listening positions.

Something close and something far is the recipe.
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