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Rode TFM-50 and NT-49 Condenser Microphones
Old 1 week ago
  #31
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Originally Posted by Plush View Post
Just because the real Neumann M50 is out of the price range of casual recordists, I caution against saying anything like, "it's time seems to have past."

Many of the best recordings done today use the M50 at Teldex Studio in Berlin, at Ideé Und Klang Studio in Basel, Tony F.'s recordings, BIS, Harmonia Mundi, DG, etc. Anywhere where big league sound is required.

When one uses two or three M50's on orchestra (or piano) you hear a regal tone and one can use the main mics for 80% of the finished sound. It was never true that M50 mics were used without spot mics.

What, pray tell, would replace them today?

There are many great omni mics today but none have the "to the center of the earth" bass that the real ones have. You have to have the real thing to get THAT SOUND.

I sold my pair because I found that they were too expensive to not sell them. I never had a maintenance issue and they always worked. The place where I sold them has acquired even more M50's now.

By the way, Neumann KM133 (D or A) sound nothing like a M50 and the modern Neumann variants do a Don Rickles imitation of the M50 very nicely but without the huge (not bloated) bass.

TLM50 manufacture suffered so many rejects that the mic was discontinued. TLM 150 is a good mic but not the real thing. However, these will do in a pinch.

Others are:
Schoeps MK2--the world's best capsule
Sanken CO-100K--sparkle-y
Sennheiser MKH20--response to 60 KHz.
Sonodore--60 volt Rens special
Gefell super mics
Some secret weapon Russian omni mics--truly the best

of course others.
Talking of the Neumann KK133 capsule, I recently heard a piano recording made with an AB pair of these on a model D that I know, in an acoustic that I know. (These were the KM133A variant, i.e. the analogue bodies with the KK133 capsules.) They certainly had that 'gritty, heightened reality' that is associated with Neumann but also a hard metallic edge in transients and an overly bright top end. (This in spite of the engineer's having deliberately paired them with a 'mellifluous' mic preamp in order to tame these elements somewhat.) It does seem that Neumann themselves have been unable to recreate the majesty of the (prime examples of the) M50s. I guess in this context it's no surprise that Rode keep delaying their TFM-50....!

Plush, any chance you could divulge the identity of your Russian secret weapons (with risking a visit from novichok-wielding GRU operatives)?
Old 1 day ago
  #32
Gear Nut
 

I guess this secret weapon could be Nevaton, but who knows? Interested myself too.
Old 15 hours ago
  #33
Gear Maniac
Secret weapons could be the Resolabs mics.
Old 15 hours ago
  #34
Lives for gear
Secret weapon could be the Slovakian Flea M50: Flea SuperFET 47 & 48 |

FLEA - custom made microphones

Plenty of Flea M50's visible on Decca Trees in the following page:
FLEA - custom made microphones

Quote from Rode CEO Peter Freedman on Flea: "These microphones are like works of art”
Old 8 hours ago
  #35
What's the market for a $15,000 omni mic to be used by a handful of classical recordists? I can't see them lining up at Guitar Center for those.
Old 2 hours ago
  #36
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Originally Posted by Jim Williams View Post
What's the market for a $15,000 omni mic to be used by a handful of classical recordists? I can't see them lining up at Guitar Center for those.
I can't see GC selling them either. As to the market, probably 1/100 the size of the home studio crowd....and hence up to 100 times the RRP of a typical GC budget studio mic. It works for me....a happy, differentiated marketplace

Could you imagine fronting up to Guitar Centre, plonking down $2000+ per mic and trying to engage the 'salesperson' in conversation about intended usage of said omni mics ?
"A Decca what......? Wait...didn't the Stones record for them back in the day ?"
Yeah, right

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Old 2 hours ago
  #37
Lives for gear
Is it just myself who thinks the 'vintage mic tribute market' is getting overcrowded ....and repetitive in what it targets to lionize ?
GoodFly
Second thoughts ....let's add some compressors and preamps to that list...and that's before we even pause for the software emulations !
Old 2 hours ago
  #38
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Originally Posted by studer58 View Post
Is it just myself who thinks the 'vintage mic tribute market' is getting overcrowded ....and repetitive in what it targets to lionize ?
GoodFly
Second thoughts ....let's add some compressors and preamps to that list...and that's before we even pause for the software emulations !
Not if it's a microphone made by FLEA.

Made in Slovakia, made right.

Designed and made by listeners.
Old 2 hours ago
  #39
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Originally Posted by Plush View Post
Not if it's a microphone made by FLEA.

Made in Slovakia, made right.

Designed and made by listeners.
If you're familiar with the FLEA 50 Plush, how does it compare with the Neumann original ?
Old 1 hour ago
  #40
Gear Nut
 

So this is a Slovakian secret weapon. What about the Russian one?
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