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Sound Devices Announces MixPre-10M "For Musicians" Recorders, Players & Tape Machines
Old 23rd October 2018
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Musicians Plug-in File Naming!?

Hi guys. The track names on my 10T music projects, using the musicians plug-in, are formatted as yymmdd-hhmmss_#. I would think that the number # should represent the track number, but that is not the case: 3 is track 1; 4 is track 2; 5 is track 3; 6 is track 4; 7 is track 5; 8 is track 6; 9 is track 7; and A is track 8.

Sound devices tech support replied "The track naming system on the 10M is not something that can be altered by the user. The L/R mix tracks are definitely # 1 and # 2. We go to "A" after "9" to stay with single digits. The other option would have been to go to 3-digit #'s. 001, 002, 003....010, 011."

For me it is more logical to match the file names to the track names and let the mix tracks be A & B, or even L & R might be better. Also 2 or 3-digit numbers in file names can be helpful and don’t bother me in the least.

Does anyone else have some insight into this?
Old 23rd October 2018
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Seems to me like Sound Devices answered that pretty clearly. You may not agree with the reasoning behind it, but it doesn’t seem like there’s any question that it’s on purpose.

Personally I am all for shorter file names.

-Mike
Old 23rd October 2018
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Detailed review (July 2018) here: Sound Devices MixPre-10M |
Old 23rd October 2018
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Hi guys. The track names on my 10T music projects, using the musicians plug-in, are formatted as yymmdd-hhmmss_#. I would think that the number # should represent the track number, but that is not the case: 3 is track 1; 4 is track 2; 5 is track 3; 6 is track 4; 7 is track 5; 8 is track 6; 9 is track 7; and A is track 8.

Sound devices tech support replied "The track naming system on the 10M is not something that can be altered by the user. The L/R mix tracks are definitely # 1 and # 2. We go to "A" after "9" to stay with single digits. The other option would have been to go to 3-digit #'s. 001, 002, 003....010, 011."

For me it is more logical to match the file names to the track names and let the mix tracks be A & B, or even L & R might be better. Also 2 or 3-digit numbers in file names can be helpful and don’t bother me in the least.

Does anyone else have some insight into this?
Thank you! I was wondering what the naming conventions were for the tracks. They don't seem to cover it (at least in the 6M manual). The only frustrations I've had with mine, are the bloody work arounds. They aren't intuitive. For example: highlighting a bunch of tracks for transfer, takes them off the SD card removing them completely, doing them individually leaves them on the SDcard, is really confusing.

File transfer is incredibly important. For example, is there a way to import more than one file at project start, and can you add after? I haven't figured that one out either.

SD needs to realize they are dealing with people (like me), who are musicians and really dumb when it comes to tech issues..... The info is pretty sketchy.......I really hope the Wingman app will be something that works like a real controller with cue points and good transport features, otherwise I'll have to buy hardware which isn't ideal....It is such a great tool, they have a chance to capture a major slice of the market which I can see expanding, as no one wants to risk their expensive and fragile computer either on gigs, location or even a chaotic recording environment (beverages come to mind....!).
Old 23rd October 2018
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Thank you! I was wondering what the naming conventions were for the tracks. They don't seem to cover it (at least in the 6M manual). The only frustrations I've had with mine, are the bloody work arounds. They aren't intuitive. For example: highlighting a bunch of tracks for transfer, takes them off the SD card removing them completely, doing them individually leaves them on the SDcard, is really confusing.

File transfer is incredibly important. For example, is there a way to import more than one file at project start, and can you add after? I haven't figured that one out either.

SD needs to realize they are dealing with people (like me), who are musicians and really dumb when it comes to tech issues..... The info is pretty sketchy.......I really hope the Wingman app will be something that works like a real controller with cue points and good transport features, otherwise I'll have to buy hardware which isn't ideal....It is such a great tool, they have a chance to capture a major slice of the market which I can see expanding, as no one wants to risk their expensive and fragile computer either on gigs, location or even a chaotic recording environment (beverages come to mind....!).
I don't know how you are copying the files, but there is no reason that Windows Explorer or Mac Finder should be deleting files if you copy multiple tracks.

Dominic
Old 23rd October 2018
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I don't know how you are copying the files, but there is no reason that Windows Explorer or Mac Finder should be deleting files if you copy multiple tracks.

Dominic
If I highlight multiple tracks and drag them into a folder on my desktop (Mac laptop), they take the files off the card. If I transfer them individually they copy.
Try it and see. Have a MixPre 6M. Not a big deal but was surprising until I figured it out!.....
Old 23rd October 2018
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If I highlight multiple tracks and drag them into a folder on my desktop (Mac laptop), they take the files off the card. If I transfer them individually they copy.
Try it and see. Have a MixPre 6M. Not a big deal but was surprising until I figured it out!.....
Sadly I can't try it at the moment as my 10M is in storage. But that is not how MacOS behaves when copying files from a mounted external drive, unless you have a modifier key pressed (CTRL perhaps?).
The MixPre doesn't know what you're doing, it's just exposing the files as a drive - so I'm afraid something you are doing is resulting in the files being 'moved' (i.e. copied and deleted) rather than simply copied.

Dominic
Old 23rd October 2018
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Sadly I can't try it at the moment as my 10M is in storage. But that is not how MacOS behaves when copying files from a mounted external drive, unless you have a modifier key pressed (CTRL perhaps?).
The MixPre doesn't know what you're doing, it's just exposing the files as a drive - so I'm afraid something you are doing is resulting in the files being 'moved' (i.e. copied and deleted) rather than simply copied.

Dominic

Bingo! Much smarter than I!.... That's exactly what is happening, since I'm using the control key to highlight a bunch of files and dragging them into a track folder on the desktop. Obviously not using the control key, when grabbing individual files. Freaked me out when I did it, since I'm paranoid about losing tracks but luckily wasn't a session track and stuff I'd recorded. Thx for the insight!

I guess what's bothering me about the SD manual is, most manuals are telling me everything I do (or don't), want to know in excruciating detail. The MixPre manual is almost like an outline, but doesn't go into detail if I need it. The above naming convention is a good example. I really had no idea of where the track numbers were, which is really useful when multi tracking with a gazillion takes, and the numbers made no sense with the letters, etc......the date and time is clever as each timestamp is inherently unique and referenced....Now it makes perfect sense, and it very smart.
Old 24th October 2018
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Seems to me like Sound Devices answered that pretty clearly. You may not agree with the reasoning behind it, but it doesn’t seem like there’s any question that it’s on purpose.
-Mike
Yes, I should have asked their reasoning behind it. Any guesses?
Old 24th October 2018
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Yes, I should have asked their reasoning behind it. Any guesses?
No redundancy! Date and time are unique to each track and on a film set, can be logged as a point of reference, or in the field. The biggest thing is not to lose a take, so being backed up is key which the recorder does automatically. The track numbers going to alphabet eliminates confusion beyond 9 tracks, as a shorthand.

I've found the date thing useful, as if I take a break or go back another day, works to separate the takes quickly into sessions.
Old 26th October 2018
  #311
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Originally Posted by sculptair View Post
Hi guys. The track names on my 10T music projects, using the musicians plug-in, are formatted as yymmdd-hhmmss_#. I would think that the number # should represent the track number, but that is not the case: 3 is track 1; 4 is track 2; 5 is track 3; 6 is track 4; 7 is track 5; 8 is track 6; 9 is track 7; and A is track 8.

Sound devices tech support replied "The track naming system on the 10M is not something that can be altered by the user. The L/R mix tracks are definitely # 1 and # 2. We go to "A" after "9" to stay with single digits. The other option would have been to go to 3-digit #'s. 001, 002, 003....010, 011."

For me it is more logical to match the file names to the track names and let the mix tracks be A & B, or even L & R might be better. Also 2 or 3-digit numbers in file names can be helpful and don’t bother me in the least.

Does anyone else have some insight into this?
Yes. This is the way our audio file track layout works for the TV/Film industry where the mix tracks L and R are expected on tracks 1 and 2. We use the same structure in the MixPres. Theoretically it could be changed although not a trivial task as you may think.

Paul
Old 26th October 2018
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File transfer is incredibly important. For example, is there a way to import more than one file at project start, and can you add after? I haven't figured that one out either.
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You can only import when creating the new project. You can import up to 12 tracks in a single polyphonic wav file in this single import step. A polyphonic file (an industry standard wav file that contains multiple tracks within a single file) can be exported from any DAW.

best

Paul
Old 6th November 2018
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Yes. This is the way our audio file track layout works for the TV/Film industry where the mix tracks L and R are expected on tracks 1 and 2. We use the same structure in the MixPres. Theoretically it could be changed although not a trivial task as you may think.

Paul
Thanks Paul. It's interesting to know that it comes from the TV/film industry.
Old 6th November 2018
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Thanks Paul. It's interesting to know that it comes from the TV/film industry.
Sound Design are THE location recorders, due to build quality and sound. Much like Nagras were a standard. The Mix PreM series is a what I've been waiting for. Film guys love Sound Devices because they have really natural sound, and a hardware limiter. They have an impressive background and at this price point, is insane value (don't tell anyone!).
Old 18th November 2018
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Has anyone found a usb or wireless keyboard that works with it yet? I’ve tried 4 now and the only one that did barely work has to be unplugged and back in each time the units turned on!!! Anyone please???
Old 19th November 2018
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I have a wireless one that I’ve used but I need to check if there’s a need to reconnect it every time.

I’ll get back to you on that.
Old 19th November 2018
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Has anyone found a usb or wireless keyboard that works with it yet? I’ve tried 4 now and the only one that did barely work has to be unplugged and back in each time the units turned on!!! Anyone please???
Just plugged in the first two USB keyboards lying around in my office to and they both work straight away even without replugging after a restart.
Try this:
GEAR HEAD KB1500U Black&Silver 89 Normal Keys USB Office Products Mini Keyboard - Newegg.com

Keyboards with a USB hub built in are unlikely to work so avoid them.
Do you have latest firmware v2.21?

FYI, A new firmware version v3.00 (free of charge) will be available very soon which allows bluetooth remote control from an Android or iOS app + USB controller support (Korg, Novation, Akai) etc.

Paul
Old 11th December 2018
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New 3.0 software out!
Old 12th December 2018
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New 3.0 software out!
Broken apparently, according to this Taperssection thread......

Sound Devices MixPre Series Firmware v. 3.0 is out

Dominic
Old 12th December 2018
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Broken apparently, according to this Taperssection thread......

Sound Devices MixPre Series Firmware v. 3.0 is out

Dominic
Was that using the preroll or just a general bug? A bit confusing but I'm not the sharpest when it comes to audiospeak...... That's a cool site for field people.....

EDIT: Just reread seems to be the stereo files are recorded to one file? I don't get the preset thing. I guess they say you have to rebuild them? Not a problem I have but confusing.
Old 4 weeks ago
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Was that using the preroll or just a general bug? A bit confusing but I'm not the sharpest when it comes to audiospeak...... That's a cool site for field people.....

EDIT: Just reread seems to be the stereo files are recorded to one file? I don't get the preset thing. I guess they say you have to rebuild them? Not a problem I have but confusing.
If I'm reading it correctly, it seems to be a problem affecting long recordings only. SD cards have a file size limit, and longer recordings (and/or very high sample-rate recordings) will reach that limit--at which point they start recording to a new file. Normally that's a seamless transition but this is the point where the bug, if there is one, appears to be hitting.
Old 4 weeks ago
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Yup, it sounds like a problem which is serious enough to mean - avoid using 3.00.

According to the report written up, some audio files are corrupted / unreadable. Serious indeed.

This is apparently reflected in the experiences of some on the Facebook group, but I don't use Facebook and I'm not starting now, so I can't confirm that. It implies that this is not isolated to a single user.

If you are already on 3.00 you can download 2.21 from the SoundDevices website and 'downgrade'. The procedure is no different from upgrading.

Dominic
Old 4 weeks ago
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Yup, it sounds like a problem which is serious enough to mean - avoid using 3.00.
It does seem, though, that it's only affecting files where the 4gig file size limit is exceeded. So if you've already upgraded to v. 3.0 and are only doing short recordings (less than ~45 minutes but the time really depends on how many channels you're recording and at what sample rates) it shouldn't be an issue. That's probably why they didn't catch the problem in beta testing; likely they were recording shorter pieces.
Old 4 weeks ago
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A really stupid question but wasn't able to find the answer. I'm assuming 0db on the meter is calibrated to 0db? Some devices will calibrate 0 to -18db or -20.....
Thinking one should never get into the red area. Anyway would like to confirm.....figuring that because there isn't a specific reference, what you see on the meter is reality....
Old 4 weeks ago
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It does seem, though, that it's only affecting files where the 4gig file size limit is exceeded. So if you've already upgraded to v. 3.0 and are only doing short recordings (less than ~45 minutes but the time really depends on how many channels you're recording and at what sample rates) it shouldn't be an issue. That's probably why they didn't catch the problem in beta testing; likely they were recording shorter pieces.
Don't forget that in 10T mode (or normal 3 or 6 mode) rather than 10M, 3M, 6M mode, the MixPre writes polywavs, which might exceed the 4GB limit rather quickly at high sample rates and track counts.

It doesn't sound safe to me until they fix it.

Dominic
Old 4 weeks ago
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A really stupid question but wasn't able to find the answer. I'm assuming 0db on the meter is calibrated to 0db? Some devices will calibrate 0 to -18db or -20.....
Thinking one should never get into the red area. Anyway would like to confirm.....figuring that because there isn't a specific reference, what you see on the meter is reality....
I think it must be 0dB is 0dB.

When meters have 0dBu equivalent to -18, then the meter is able to read above 0 - to +12 or +20 etc.

Dominic
Old 4 weeks ago
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I saw that issue on the Facebook group too.

Someone from Sound Devices had posted that part of the problem might have been that you have to format your SD card in the machine running version 3.00 after upgrading the firmware. Apparently if the card was formatted in an older version of the firmware there could be all sorts of issues.

I still may wait to upgrade.

-Mike
Old 4 weeks ago
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File-splitting errors is confirmed as a bug in v3.00 by Paul Issacs (on Tapersection). Getting top priority at SD, according to his post there. Stay tuned for v3.01.
Old 4 weeks ago
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Yes - the issue only affects those who do long takes that exceed 4GB in length (8 hours for 1 track/48k/24bit; 2 hours for 4 track/48k/24bit; 1 hour for 8 track 48k/24bit.

A fix is coming very soon. Keep an eye out for v3.01

Paul
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A fix is coming very soon. Keep an eye out for v3.01
Just got a notice that v3.01 is available.
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