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what are these? Condenser Microphones
Old 7th October 2017
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what are these?

I was on Facebook earlier, and came across an organ recording by a Danish company, and a Danish church, and wondered why this set up, and they are ribbons?
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Old 7th October 2017
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Look like Milab/PML/Pearl mics with rectangular condenser capsules!
Old 8th October 2017
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Look like Milab/PML/Pearl mics with rectangular condenser capsules!
Agreed - Probably Pearl by the size
Old 8th October 2017
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I just thought they were ribbons of some kind, but d
never thought they would be suitable for pipe organs, given the frequencies they needed to handle, lots of very low bass, in the pedals (32' pipes)
Old 8th October 2017
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The microphone in front in the middle is a Pearl DS70 4 channel microphone, and the other two on small A-B are another type of rectangular Pearls.

The low end of this kind of organs is a lot stronger in reality than it is on this recording. Maybe that was done on purpose, or maybe it is the result of using cardioids. In my opinion the recording is too much up front. This music and these type of instruments need a bit more room.
Old 9th October 2017
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Yes, it's a bit a pity that this Cavaillé-Coll organ sounds quite thin on this recording. Bass is definetely missing, but must be in the room (listen to the Widor toccata in the video). Maybe this would have been a job for two 4006...
Old 10th October 2017
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Yes, it's a bit a pity that this Cavaillé-Coll organ sounds quite thin on this recording. Bass is definetely missing, but must be in the room (listen to the Widor toccata in the video). Maybe this would have been a job for two 4006...
Yes, it is very likely two 4006 would have provided a bit more of the bottom from this instrument. Most large membrane microphone manufacturers are very scared to get microphones returned because of uncontrolled low end, thus they filter the bottom out. Pearl has a high-pass filter built in, as is the case with most Neumann's. The AKG C426 though provides a deeper bottom, but you pay a price for it, if someone is stamping slightly with the feet, you hear a nasty low end ringing in your recording, and that is hard to get out.
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I just thought they were ribbons of some kind, but d
never thought they would be suitable for pipe organs, given the frequencies they needed to handle, lots of very low bass, in the pedals (32' pipes)
This particular ACC doesn't have 32's.

This one has (recorded with ribbons in MS, 3m. from the floor):
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/12190612-post25.html
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This particular ACC doesn't have 32's.

This one has (recorded with ribbons in MS, 3m. from the floor):
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/12190612-post25.html
I did not know, as have not seen the spec. I was just a tad surprised that ribbons had been used, as all my recording I have, are either using a Soundfield, ala, Priory Records, or some kind of omi, as they seem to capture the bottom end (and a 64' in the case of the Hill in Sydney town Hall)
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This particular ACC doesn't have 32's.
Still convinced the recording doesn't show the full picture of the bass.
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This particular ACC doesn't have 32's.

This one has (recorded with ribbons in MS, 3m. from the floor):
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/12190612-post25.html
Thats a nice recording, and safe to say,CC's masterpiece, and very hard to get a bad sound from it. What mics were used, as a matter of interest
Old 10th October 2017
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RecordingTools MRP01 ribbons [there's some more info up in that thread].
Old 11th October 2017
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What brand/type is the circular suspension for that front mic?
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Pearl makes the CO22 which is an omni mic. It looks the same as the CC22, their cardioid. The reason I mention it is because one cannot tell by looking at the photographs which mic was used. The Pearl omni CO22 has no lack of bass--a real and proper omni mic.

I don't think you can judge bass unless you're in the church / room.
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Having owned a pearl ds60, and assuming the ds70 is at least as good, I can testify a lack of bass must originate in positioning or mix.

On the other hand, pearl from sweden manufactures only one real omni, and the co22 is not as it is simply based on their rectangular dual capsule design.
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