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New Sound Devices recorders!
Old 11th June 2019
  #481
It would be nice to see a future software update that allows the USB to accept input from an external ADC.
Old 12th July 2019
  #482
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Just got my MixPre 6, learning all the ins and outs. Haven't really used it seriously yet. But I am impressed and excited in initial testing. This thing is stupidly well designed and it sounds great.

I am powering it with an Anker Powercore+ USB-C 26800 mAh battery and its charger straight in alternately. MixPre is a little noisy when connected to my computer via USB split cable. Not in the files themselves but in the monitors. I'll probably buy the L mount battery sled and some fancy batteries later.

Takes a couple of days to learn (haven't bought and learned the Musician plugin yet either.)

Lots of great info in this thread. I am excited about new recording opporunities away from the 2 rooms I always work in. Without a significant dip in quality either, it seems like.

The only better thing for me would have been a MixPre 10T, but I simply couldn't afford it.
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Old 12th July 2019
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Just got my MixPre 6, learning all the ins and outs. Haven't really used it seriously yet. But I am impressed and excited in initial testing. This thing is stupidly well designed and it sounds great.

I am powering it with an Anker Powercore+ USB-C 26800 mAh battery and its charger straight in alternately. MixPre is a little noisy when connected to my computer via USB split cable. Not in the files themselves but in the monitors. I'll probably buy the L mount battery sled and some fancy batteries later.

Takes a couple of days to learn (haven't bought and learned the Musician plugin yet either.)

Lots of great info in this thread. I am excited about new recording opporunities away from the 2 rooms I always work in. Without a significant dip in quality either, it seems like.

The only better thing for me would have been a MixPre 10T, but I simply couldn't afford it.
Congrats! I've been loving mine. I got the Korg control surface that is really useful for cue points mainly, and the Wingman app is great for metering and quick access.

The only drawback I've found is not being able to go back and play previously recorded takes (it only plays the latest ones), and not being able to erase cue points easily. I'm using it essentially as a stand alone recorder. Enjoy!
Old 12th July 2019
  #484
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Congrats! I've been loving mine. I got the Korg control surface that is really useful for cue points mainly, and the Wingman app is great for metering and quick access.

The only drawback I've found is not being able to go back and play previously recorded takes (it only plays the latest ones), and not being able to erase cue points easily. I'm using it essentially as a stand alone recorder. Enjoy!
You can play back any take. Just highlight from the take menu and press play.
Old 12th July 2019
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You can play back any take. Just highlight from the take menu and press play.
Quick question is that from the M version?

Honestly, the only real gripe I've had with Sound Devices is it's really hard to find info on how to do specifics, and I'm more a musician than a tech! I've found the manual to be kinda breezy and really need "The Idiots Guide".....
Old 12th July 2019
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Quick question is that from the M version?
You can play back any take from the non-M version too.

-Mike
Old 12th July 2019
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Quick question is that from the M version?

Honestly, the only real gripe I've had with Sound Devices is it's really hard to find info on how to do specifics, and I'm more a musician than a tech! I've found the manual to be kinda breezy and really need "The Idiots Guide".....
The M version adds the ability to re mix on playback. But you can still play back your tracks in the non m version.

The controls are not intuitive for audio playback, so it is a bit frustrating.
Old 12th July 2019
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The M version adds the ability to re mix on playback. But you can still play back your tracks in the non m version.

The controls are not intuitive for audio playback, so it is a bit frustrating.
Remix is available on the non-M version also. Page 34 of the online manual.

-Mike
Old 12th July 2019
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Remix is available on the non-M version also. Page 34 of the online manual.

-Mike
Oh. Was that part of the firmware update? I can't remember which changes came from where I suppose.
Old 12th July 2019
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Oh. Was that part of the firmware update? I can't remember which changes came from where I suppose.
Yeah it was added a couple of firmware updates back, maybe around the time the M versions came out. SD has been really on point about adding new features to these recorders through firmware updates which I think is really cool.

-Mike
Old 12th July 2019
  #491
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If they would only add transport controls to the Wingman app, they would have my undying affection.
Old 12th July 2019
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The M version adds the ability to re mix on playback. But you can still play back your tracks in the non m version.

The controls are not intuitive for audio playback, so it is a bit frustrating.
Yeah, re-record LR mix is a great feature. In my initial testing I really preferred doing a second pass to get the right mix. You can even do multiple mixdowns and they save with different names. You can play back the mixes with all the front faders down and you can still hear everything you did. I've been having to find ways to keep the faders down all the time to prevent howling feedback in my speakers, since direct monitoring is always on. The Musician plugin will solve this, I hope, with its Monitor function on the inputs. The regular mode doesn't have this feature which I think is kind of strange.

I would do this to have a "rough mix" to hand to band mates or whatever probably. Then go in for a serious hardcore mix in Cubase later.
Old 4th August 2019
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Would be curious to know if you've has a chance to compare the MixPre to the Clarett (assuming that's yours in the photo). Any thoughts on the AD/DA conversion or preamps?

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Just got my MixPre 6, learning all the ins and outs. Haven't really used it seriously yet. But I am impressed and excited in initial testing. This thing is stupidly well designed and it sounds great.

I am powering it with an Anker Powercore+ USB-C 26800 mAh battery and its charger straight in alternately. MixPre is a little noisy when connected to my computer via USB split cable. Not in the files themselves but in the monitors. I'll probably buy the L mount battery sled and some fancy batteries later.

Takes a couple of days to learn (haven't bought and learned the Musician plugin yet either.)

Lots of great info in this thread. I am excited about new recording opporunities away from the 2 rooms I always work in. Without a significant dip in quality either, it seems like.

The only better thing for me would have been a MixPre 10T, but I simply couldn't afford it.
Old 4th August 2019
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Would be curious to know if you've has a chance to compare the MixPre to the Clarett (assuming that's yours in the photo). Any thoughts on the AD/DA conversion or preamps?
Sadly I haven't truly tested the MixPre on any hard-core recordings yet. I'm waiting just a little bit until I can buy the Musican plugin since most of what I do is overdubs.

I can say that the DAC on the MixPre is not quite up to par with the Clarett. I wouldn't expect it to be for something this tiny. It's "OK" or fine though, probably better or as good as something like a Scarlett.

What I'm most interested in is the quality of the front end.

Initial tests have been positive, but I'm still waiting to really dig in and form a strong opinion.

It's certainly better sounding than some of the cheaper consumer stuff I've used in the past.

The real feature is obviously the portability, so to have a B+ or A for sound, whatever it ends up ranking, is really good.

My days of iphone demos, 4 track cassette "productions" and so on are now most likely superceded by the MixPre. Some of it might end up being good enough to publish on an album or something, that was my goal going into this purchase. Which kept me from buying cheaper products that do similar things.
Old 3 weeks ago
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MixPre series is now refreshed with version II, including 32-bit floating point recording (to compete with Zoom F6 for example):

https://www.sounddevices.com/mixpre/

FAQ lists the changes: https://www.sounddevices.com/mixpre-ii-faq/
Old 3 weeks ago
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it chaps my hide a little bit that my MixPre 6 is less than two months old.... but OH WELL it's still working just fine.

as an update, this is a really wonderful songwriting tool. Takes me back to the PortaStudio days a little bit. But with easier workflow, better sound, and more tracks available.

Tomorrow I will finally buy the Musician plugin.
Old 3 weeks ago
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I'd like to know if SD has any plans (or if it's possible), to add a digital input thru the usb port......?
Old 3 weeks ago
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I'd like to know if SD has any plans (or if it's possible), to add a digital input thru the usb port......?
You can actually play tracks from USB. Plenty of info in the manual
Old 3 weeks ago
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Would be awesome if they could add the Limiter settings to the I series via firmware. I know the other new features are hardware dependant so won't get to the older models wondering what would be holding the Limiter settings back tom an update.


I'm also a little bummed as my MixPre 3 is only a few months old, but really it's not going to change my results from the workflow I use so it's not so bad, plus i bought cheap B stock so shouldn't complain.
Old 3 weeks ago
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I think the big story in these new models is the dynamic range (142 dB) and no need for limiters in 32-bit mode, which will be very useful for location sound engineers (and presumably classical music recording).

The timecode generators were previously available only in the 10t, but now in the others, and apparently all with no price increase for these new features.

I bet a lot of people are going to cancel their Zoom F6 orders now.
Old 3 weeks ago
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You can actually play tracks from USB. Plenty of info in the manual
Yeah thx, but looking for a digital input....... be able to bypass the internal converters.....
Old 3 weeks ago
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Yeah thx, but looking for a digital input....... be able to bypass the internal converters.....
You can select any input (mics, line, aux, USB) to any recording track so no DA/AD involved
Old 3 weeks ago
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You can select any input (mics, line, aux, USB) to any recording track so no DA/AD involved
You're recording a digital wav file and coming in analogue, so you are recording using the internal pres and converters no?

I'd like to have a direct digital input to be able to use a better converter (when I can afford one!).....thinking the USB port would be a way SD could implement that.....if it's possible.
Old 3 weeks ago
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MixPre series is now refreshed with version II, including 32-bit floating point recording (to compete with Zoom F6 for example):

https://www.sounddevices.com/mixpre/

FAQ lists the changes: https://www.sounddevices.com/mixpre-ii-faq/
So, now that timecode has been added to the new mkll series, it should be theoretically possible to chain a pair of Mixpre's together and have them transport and sync-locked from whichever device is nominated as the master ? Has anyone tried this, or faced problems in doing so ?
Old 3 weeks ago
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can anybody point out the main differences between the MixPre-10T and MixPre-10 II ?

MixPre-10 II has 32-bit floating point and adjustable limiters, everything else seems the same but MixPre-10T is listed US$400 more expensive on bhphoto...

I'm confused.

I own the MixPre-10T, and not sure if I'm missing something and if I should switch... unless this would be a "downgrade"... (?)
Old 3 weeks ago
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it chaps my hide a little bit that my MixPre 6 is less than two months old.... but OH WELL it's still working just fine.

as an update, this is a really wonderful songwriting tool. Takes me back to the PortaStudio days a little bit. But with easier workflow, better sound, and more tracks available.

Tomorrow I will finally buy the Musician plugin.
What shall I say: bought a MixPre 3 last saturday:-)
Old 2 weeks ago
  #507
Did anyone else notice the dynamic range of the AD on the new MixPre's? 142dB!!! It is using multi converter topology and 32bit float recording to achieve that number.
Old 2 weeks ago
  #508
Yes, no single converter can give you that kind of dynamic range. But sub-ranging converters have been done before, and are prone to artifacts under certain conditions. Will these new MixPre's actually sound better than the old ones, or only spec better? The jury is still out.
Old 2 weeks ago
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Did anyone else notice the dynamic range of the AD on the new MixPre's? 142dB!!! It is using multi converter topology and 32bit float recording to achieve that number.
It certainly sounds theoretically good, but is there any risk that linearity/scaling can suffer in the handover/transition between the converters ?
Old 2 weeks ago
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Yes, no single converter can give you that kind of dynamic range. But sub-ranging converters have been done before, and are prone to artifacts under certain conditions. Will these new MixPre's actually sound better than the old ones, or only spec better? The jury is still out.

The only ones I know of are Merging and Sonosax, perhaps UA's new devices. They are not prone to artifacts that I understand. I doubt, however the new mixpre's will sound better, since converter specs have little to do with it. I think the new versions are mainly to implement a few new features that were impossible with a firmware update on the old models.


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It certainly sounds theoretically good, but is there any risk that linearity/scaling can suffer in the handover/transition between the converters ?
Maybe, maybe not. Like I mentioned, existing implementations of the technique seem to be solid, though it doesn't mean SD's implementation with be perfect. I actually curious how it works in conjunction with a floating integer to get those extra few dB. It's all overkill anyway.
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