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X-Y panning guidelines
Old 2nd July 2007
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First time poster here - be gentle...
OK - I know they should be hard right and left not panned, but when you have X-Y set on the piano who is situated far right and X-Y on overheads for drums situated far left - how do you pan these babies without running into phase issues and still have a coherent image?
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Old 2nd July 2007
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In my experience XY imaging is not very wide to begin with and to my ears, sounds best hard panned. However, because the capsules are so close, this virtually eliminates phase issues when the two channels are panned in closer. You should have no problems narrowing them to taste. This is one of the advantages of XY.

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First time poster here - be gentle...
OK - I know they should be hard right and left not panned, but when you have X-Y set on the piano who is situated far right and X-Y on overheads for drums situated far left - how do you pan these babies without running into phase issues and still have a coherent image?
XY being coincident, there will be no phase issues.
You can also reduce the L/R separation by simply reducing the angle between the capsules slighty.
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Old 2nd July 2007
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In my experience XY imaging is not very wide to begin with and to my ears, sounds best hard panned. However, because the capsules are so close, this virtually eliminates phase issues when the two channels are panned in closer. You should have no problems narrowing them to taste. This is one of the advantages of XY.

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Image width of XY is proportional to the angle between the mics. Wider angle - wider image. One can often see XY at 90° which for lots of applications is way too narrow. See also http://www.rycote.com/products/pdf/T...nic%20Zoom.pdf


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XY being coincident, there will be no phase issues.
You can also reduce the L/R separation by simply reducing the angle between the capsules slighty.
I think what the original poster means is phase issues caused by bleed between two sets of XY mics, the piano pair also picking up drums.
If keeping to the 3:1 rule, ie the piano pair being at least 3 times farther from the drums than the drum pair, usually there won't be any issues. It's not always easy to stick to 3:1, especially on crowded stages.
Old 3rd July 2007
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Image width of XY is proportional to the angle between the mics. Wider angle - wider image. One can often see XY at 90° which for lots of applications is way too narrow. See also http://www.rycote.com/products/pdf/T...nic%20Zoom.pdf
Good point, I should have said "traditional XY" or something to that effect. I don't think that was the point of the original post though.

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Old 5th September 2016
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diddo
I think you mean "ditto."

To the OP, I would say there is NO method to get a good stereo image by adding two different stereo images. Imagine trying to hear the sound while standing at two different places simultaneously - it would be a mess.

I would recommend you use one stereo pair for the room, and reinforce the instruments a bit with a mono spot mic on each if you like (or the other way 'round, it's up to you). You may even place several mono spot mics on each instrument if you like, but "stereo spot" mics are not a thing that I would bother trying. Of course you are free to experiment, but I imagine it will be quite frustrating.

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Old 5th September 2016
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Wow. 9 years for a new post.
Old 19th September 2016
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Hah, I hadn't noticed. Maybe I should start looking at posting dates...

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