whats the best bad ass no joke mic pre i can get?
Old 25th August 2013
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whats the best bad ass no joke mic pre i can get?

hi i have a forte what mic pre is best for it i heard that its not good to record into your inbox that a stand alone mic pre is all ways better is that true? i wanna record vocals if thats true then what mic pre should i get to get the most out of the forte & i love the forte just trying to get the most out of it & thanks
Old 25th August 2013
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hi i have a forte what mic pre is best for it i heard that its not good to record into your inbox that a stand alone mic pre is all ways better is that true? i wanna record vocals if thats true then what mic pre should i get to get the most out of the forte & i love the forte just trying to get the most out of it & thanks
Since the Forte is a pretty decent piece of equipment I would focus on learning how to use it to its maximum capabilities.

And you might consider finding some other people to listen to...like those who actually know a little bit about these things...
Old 25th August 2013
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thanks i want to take the sound i record with the forte to the next lv & i think getting a mic pre is a good way to start i know how to get the most out of it wen it comes to the recording side of things so i need a pre amp thats like to lvs above the forte so i can really get that good warm clear sound. im recording with a sm7b
Old 25th August 2013
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thanks i want to take the sound i record with the forte to the next lv & i think getting a mic pre is a good way to start i know how to get the most out of it wen it comes to the recording side of things so i need a pre amp thats like to lvs above the forte so i can really get that good warm clear sound. im recording with a sm7b
I like the AEA TRP for SM7, RE20 and other lower output dynamics .. AEA makes a couple others that have phantom power in case you ever needed it

I have also gotten very good results with the Avalon 737

if you go with 500 series the API 512c works well with SM7 for me

best
Old 25th August 2013
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thanks a lot i want to get the Avalon 737 but it cost a lot can i get the Avalon M5 Mono Pure Class A Microphone Preamp & still be fine or is the extra $555 worth it i just want clear pro warm sounding vocals i know the Avalon 737 has a compresser on but i heard its not the best compresser that there are more dedicated ones that could be used to get the best sound & most ppl tell me that they dont compress wen recording cuz if you get it wrong you cant undo that it its better to compress in the mix so i can use a wave plug ins to compress my vocals in the mix right? & i can use waves eq plug ins for my vocals to & be fine right? or does the eq & compresser on the Avalon 737 what makes it stand out & how good is the Avalon 737 pre just the mic pre side of it? & it the Avalon M5 Mono Pure Class A Microphone Preamp just as good or 80% as good or is it not even worth the money & should i just save up & get the Avalon 737 thanks
Old 25th August 2013
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thanks a lot i want to get the Avalon 737 but it cost a lot can i get the Avalon M5 Mono Pure Class A Microphone Preamp & still be fine or is the extra $555 worth it i just want clear pro warm sounding vocals i know the Avalon 737 has a compresser on but i heard its not the best compresser that there are more dedicated ones that could be used to get the best sound & most ppl tell me that they dont compress wen recording cuz if you get it wrong you cant undo that it its better to compress in the mix so i can use a wave plug ins to compress my vocals in the mix right? & i can use waves eq plug ins for my vocals to & be fine right? or does the eq & compresser on the Avalon 737 what makes it stand out & how good is the Avalon 737 pre just the mic pre side of it? & it the Avalon M5 Mono Pure Class A Microphone Preamp just as good or 80% as good or is it not even worth the money & should i just save up & get the Avalon 737 thanks
I have not had an M5 but hear they are very nice.. the 737's comp is good for controlling peaks when tracking but is not really needed .. I like the EQ section a lot but it takes a bit of trial and error if you are self produced. I would think the M5 would be a great choice .. .. you may also want to look at the Grace pre's
Old 25th August 2013
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thanks im a take a look at Grace pres now & yes im self produced & i feel safer eqing in the mix i dont wanna mess up on the vocal eqing by misstake & im good at using a graph eqs like the on logic & pro tools but for some reason the 3 band or 4 band or more nob eqs all ways get the best of me im not 100% shore on how then work the graph eq i 100% under stand how they work cuz i can see & hear the frequency i want, sweep a round & see what the sweep is doing & hear it since i cant see whats going on with the nob eqs im not really shore whats its doing besides what i hear so i get scard like i know what 2db in 3000k looks like & sounds like on a grap eq but if i want that setting on a nob eq im lost & dont know how to do it =( i could play a round with the mid highs my BE & SEE IF I GET that same harsh sound that 3000k gives but its hard for me to really under stand so i like to stick to graph eqs & does eqing wen you 1st record in to the mic pre have its advantages? & thanks rogerbrain
Old 26th August 2013
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It's all subjective but I would stay away from the grace and the M5 because they're very clean sounding pres. If you're doing hiphop you're probably gonna want something with some balls. Your forte can probably get you by with the clean sound and say something neve inspired (1073, great river, etc) or tube would be a better compliment.
Old 26th August 2013
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I prefer the Avalon M5 over the 737. That's why I bought me two M5s.
Old 26th August 2013
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Old 26th August 2013
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does the Great River MP-500 plug in to my forte or do i need a 500 rack to use the Great River MP-500 i looked it up & seen something like that it said you need a 500 rack to use it is that true? can i just sit it on a desk or some where & still use it?
Old 26th August 2013
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why do you prefer the Avalon M5 over the 737

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I prefer the Avalon M5 over the 737. That's why I bought me two M5s.
thats good to know but why do you prefer the Avalon M5 over the 737 whats good a bout it & what dont you like so much a bout the 737 & thanks
Old 26th August 2013
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does the Great River MP-500 plug in to my forte or do i need a 500 rack to use the Great River MP-500 i looked it up & seen something like that it said you need a 500 rack to use it is that true? can i just sit it on a desk or some where & still use it?
For the 500 version you would need something to power it so yes to answer your question. For the mp-1 you don't need it. Also check out the tb-12 tonebeast if you want to save allot of coin and get a great bang for your buck!

And I also own a 737
Old 26th August 2013
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For the 500 version you would need something to power it so yes to answer your question. For the mp-1 you don't need it. Also check out the tb-12 tonebeast if you want to save allot of coin and get a great bang for your buck!

And I also own a 737
ok im a check out the pres you told me im a try to get a mic pre that works on its own if i have to buy a 500 rack thats more money in need a mic pre thats strong sounding & can stand on its own
Old 26th August 2013
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if you want 'other' flavours get the Warm Audio Tone Buster.
Old 28th August 2013
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thanks a lot i want to get the Avalon 737 but it cost a lot can i get the Avalon M5 Mono Pure Class A Microphone Preamp & still be fine or is the extra $555 worth it i just want clear pro warm sounding vocals i know the Avalon 737 has a compresser on but i heard its not the best compresser that there are more dedicated ones that could be used to get the best sound & most ppl tell me that they dont compress wen recording cuz if you get it wrong you cant undo that it its better to compress in the mix so i can use a wave plug ins to compress my vocals in the mix right? & i can use waves eq plug ins for my vocals to & be fine right? or does the eq & compresser on the Avalon 737 what makes it stand out & how good is the Avalon 737 pre just the mic pre side of it? & it the Avalon M5 Mono Pure Class A Microphone Preamp just as good or 80% as good or is it not even worth the money & should i just save up & get the Avalon 737 thanks
I've had the opportunity to work with both the 737 & the M5 & although they're both GREAT preamps in every aspect, I'd recommend you check out the Avalon V5, which in IMHO is up to par with both of them!!! You could either save or invest the additional $500 - $1500 on some other gear. Yes I own it. Depending on who or what I'm recording, I match it up with either a TLM 102, C414 XLS, EV RE20, SM57, Beta 58, Genesis or R77 & EVERYTHING sounds EXCELLENT, unless the source is half-ass of course!!! Thanks to the advice I've received here on Gearslutz in regards to PROPERLY treating my recording space & experimenting with mic positioning, the ONLY EQ & dynamics processing I use is HPF (if needed), very light compression or limiting (if needed). FYI, the V5 has loads of headroom & clean-dead quiet gain till the very end. If you want to go more economic, you should also check the True-Systems P-Solo & the Focusrite ISA One. Both IMHO are also EXCELLENT!!!
Old 28th August 2013
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i use the sm7b exclusively

three killer pres for it

mike-e, burl, and great river

the sm7b likes pres that have a low impedance option.

i use the burl now...its $775 and is INCREDIBLE. mike-e may have been my favorite. the burl smokes and the GR is great too.

cant lose with any of those 3. the fact you can get the burl the cheapest makes it the winner in my book. i dont need compression going in... but the mike-e saturation is killer

i think the mike-e and the burl b1 may be the most underrated pieces on GS
Old 27th February 2015
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I ended up getting the Avalon M5 & i love it. It works & sounds very pro & amazing. Thanks for all the advice everyone
Old 27th February 2015
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Affordable no BS affordable mic pre that's "true"?

Daking Mic Pre One

Oops you already got the Avalon...
Old 27th February 2015
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Avalon M5 is the best way more pro then the Daking Mic Pre One. If music is your life its no need to be cheap on gear
Old 27th February 2015
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Cool! What makes it "more pro" Than the Daking?

Sounds exciting!
Old 27th February 2015
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More pro studios and more major artist use the Avalon M5.
Old 27th February 2015
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Well I heard that the Avalon sounds best on heavy metal... ;-)

To each their own I guess...
Old 27th February 2015
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I have a Grace M101 and it is a great pre, but it is clean, very clean.
Old 28th February 2015
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VP28....console sound in one unit
Old 28th February 2015
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More pro studios and more major artist use the Avalon M5.
Compared to what?!
Old 28th February 2015
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1) You asked for the BEST preamp, then when one is suggested, you say its too much? Next time attach a budget to the thread post and youll get a answer closer to something you can reach.

2) You are asking for the best preamp yet, ask is it true that you must have one. That indicates that you don't fully ununderstand what they do or what they would add to your situation.

That is the worst reason to buy ANY piece of gear.

First and foremost you need to learn about how to properly record. You have to learn mic technique. And learn why you need room treatment.

Your Forte interface is not an in-box. Its an Audio/Midi Interface.

Beyond that it is a good unit with pretty good preamps built-in.
If you don't understand preamps especially when compared to what you already have, you could waste money by purchasing one that is equal to what you have, or a unit that is worse than what you have.

Also. You choose a unit based on what you're voice and mic sounds like. That means that you can't necessarily take an opinion on the internet since the outcome of one person likely won't be the outcome that you have.

To get a more accurate answer we need to know your current mic, voice type (similar to a known artist), and if possible a very short audio clip of the vocals you are recording without music, and one with the music and vocals.

Without that - every one giving an answer is just guessing.

Last edited by drethe5th; 28th February 2015 at 05:24 AM..
Old 28th February 2015
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1073 is my favorite preamp by far. not sure I would look much further than that for vocals. it's colored but it adds a richness and tone like none other I have heard, thats what I want from a preamp.
Old 28th February 2015
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Compared to what?!
Some one told him that is what his favorite artist used. So that makes it WAAAY more PRO. Never mind how it sounds for him. Its PRO and everyone has it.

I guess Manley, API and UA need to step it up, or get better advertising.
Old 3rd March 2015
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Just get the Juggernaut Twin and be done with it! That'll give you all the tonal options you need, from clean to extreme and you'll have 2 channels.
(not affiliated with the company, and don't own one (yet) but if I had it to do all over again….)

You said Kick ASS right!?
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