Recording in Ableton
Old 25th December 2012
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Recording in Ableton

So, I've been on here for about a year now and have seen a lot of posts from producers using either Pt or logic to record vocals.

I have Ableton live 8 suite which is not too shabby at all, but I was wondering why not many pro's use this program to record? The workflow is great and the sound does not seem bad at all. What is the difference between Ableton and the other DAW's and why is it not a primary choice for recording vocals.

I have heard of some Leo's who use Ableton for recording., but am always baffled as to why there is not a larger amount of professional users.

Want to know what DAW's you guys use and why. Pretty interesting thread that I thought and could cause a lot of discussion. Thanks.
Old 25th December 2012
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And it should be "pro's" not Leo's in the 3rd paragraph haha
Old 25th December 2012
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Basically, when you start doing large mixes in Ableton, you get a lot of delay compensation problems. Ableton was originally meant to run as a very stable DJ software so it had to work (no crashes, clips, etc). This, in turn, brings some issues during mixing and CPU intensive tasks. You can record your vocals in Ableton, I'm pretty sure, but I don't know if I would mix it in there.

Honestly, use Ableton for making your beats, Pro tools to record and mix. End of story.
Old 26th December 2012
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Ableton has fixed that problem with delay compensation. Truth be told it is all about labling. Pro tools is the standard because it is a brand that has been around for a while. Ableton is fully capable of mixing full projects because I have been doing so with it for 5 years. Ableton workflow is different than traditional daws, so many think it is not worthy. One thing that I would say ableton should do is have the capability of having session and clip view on different screens. Other than that ableton is a beast.
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Old 27th December 2012
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Also - there's no comping system in place to handle multiple takes effectively. I only use Live, and that's something that's clearly missing from there. With vocals it'd be super useful. Not that it can't be done, but basically it requires a lot of manual work atm.

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And it should be "pro's" not Leo's in the 3rd paragraph haha
Should be "pros", actually
Old 27th December 2012
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Also - there's no comping system in place to handle multiple takes effectively. I only use Live, and that's something that's clearly missing from there. With vocals it'd be super useful. Not that it can't be done, but basically it requires a lot of manual work atm.



Should be "pros", actually
are you a pro typo checker ? j/k
Old 27th December 2012
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Ableton has fixed that problem with delay compensation. Truth be told it is all about labling. Pro tools is the standard because it is a brand that has been around for a while. Ableton is fully capable of mixing full projects because I have been doing so with it for 5 years. Ableton workflow is different than traditional daws, so many think it is not worthy. One thing that I would say ableton should do is have the capability of having session and clip view on different screens. Other than that ableton is a beast.
I agree with this.

Ableton is good as any other daw.
Old 29th December 2012
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Ableton has fixed that problem with delay compensation. Truth be told it is all about labling. Pro tools is the standard because it is a brand that has been around for a while. Ableton is fully capable of mixing full projects because I have been doing so with it for 5 years. Ableton workflow is different than traditional daws, so many think it is not worthy. One thing that I would say ableton should do is have the capability of having session and clip view on different screens. Other than that ableton is a beast.
PDC doesn't fix the issue. this has been an ongoing complaint on the ableton forum. It's mainly just an issue with live performance though... ironically...
Old 29th December 2012
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I'm not saying you can't do everything in Ableton, but I think it's strength is beatmaking and DJing. Every DAW as has primary target audience. As long as the layout in Ableton is the way it is, people won't use it as much for recording even if it might be easier.

I mean it's the same type of thing the other way around. You can make beats with Pro Tools, Logic, Reaper, etc...but the way they're laid out makes it more comfortable to mix and record than anything else (in my opinion).

I can tell you that Ableton's direct competitor is FL Studio (and Bitwig when that comes out) because they're clearly primarily for beatmaking.
Old 29th December 2012
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I'm not saying you can't do everything in Ableton, but I think it's strength is beatmaking and DJing. Every DAW as has primary target audience. As long as the layout in Ableton is the way it is, people won't use it as much for recording even if it might be easier.

I mean it's the same type of thing the other way around. You can make beats with Pro Tools, Logic, Reaper, etc...but the way they're laid out makes it more comfortable to mix and record than anything else (in my opinion).

I can tell you that Ableton's direct competitor is FL Studio (and Bitwig when that comes out) because they're clearly primarily for beatmaking.
To go along with this, why are the instruments in Ableton not used so much. I always hear sounds from logic and reason used in professional tracks, but rarely (if ever) do I recognize an Ableton sound. As you said Ableton is the best beatmaking daw out there, but is there any reason other programs are used more often for the instruments?
Old 29th December 2012
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No delay issues in Ableton with large sessions. Never.
Old 29th December 2012
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cant wait in till push / abeltion 9 comes out .. anyone know of a date ?
Old 30th December 2012
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Well you got one happy Ableton Live user here and i'm quite happy with its mixing capabilities and sound quality.
Find me a perfect DAW and we could end this debate. But their isn't one.
Use what works best for you and fits your needs.
For me, Ableton is an awesome tool and has yet to let me down. (Although I do like the faders in Pro Tools a lot more)
I do like the ability of Pro Tools to load up as many tracks and what type of tracks you wants instantly before you start a session. Thats one of the features I did appreciate in Pro Tools as well.

Josh
Old 30th December 2012
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I use Live and Reason because I want to. Other people use what they use because they want to. Its really that simple.
Old 30th December 2012
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Well you got one happy Ableton Live user here and i'm quite happy with its mixing capabilities and sound quality.
Find me a perfect DAW and we could end this debate. But their isn't one.
Use what works best for you and fits your needs.
For me, Ableton is an awesome tool and has yet to let me down. (Although I do like the faders in Pro Tools a lot more)
I do like the ability of Pro Tools to load up as many tracks and what type of tracks you wants instantly before you start a session. Thats one of the features I did appreciate in Pro Tools as well.

Josh
I have a mail sent to Ableton about the problem that you cannot load multi-tracks and he/she liked the idea so much that he went directly to the developers.


I hope they wil change it soon.
Old 30th December 2012
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As mentioned earlier comping multiple takes is an absolute nightmare in Ableton. For simple things it's fine but I wouldn't want to try and record a big vocal session in it!

I doubt that will ever change..

Workflow wise I'd either see how you get on with it or get used to recording final vox in something else.

Me personally I work up to final demo level in Ableton. Then when it's time to redo the vocals properly I bounce the instrumental to PT and do them there.

Pro Tools seems built for editing audio, the workflow is great!
Old 30th December 2012
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To go along with this, why are the instruments in Ableton not used so much. I always hear sounds from logic and reason used in professional tracks, but rarely (if ever) do I recognize an Ableton sound. As you said Ableton is the best beatmaking daw out there, but is there any reason other programs are used more often for the instruments?
I bet electronic producers use Ableton sounds as a base to build from all the time.
Old 31st December 2012
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To go along with this, why are the instruments in Ableton not used so much. I always hear sounds from logic and reason used in professional tracks, but rarely (if ever) do I recognize an Ableton sound. As you said Ableton is the best beatmaking daw out there, but is there any reason other programs are used more often for the instruments?
I'm sure a lot of people use them.
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