how do YOU sample in Ableton?
Old 18th March 2012
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how do YOU sample in Ableton?

So for the past month I have been trying to learn ableton live 8 and boy am I struggling. Im coming from using maschine as a standalone only so ableton is definitely overwhelming still. Basically I just want to be able to make a track in ableton by sampling a song but I'm not sure how to go about it.

The problem I am having is that there is so many options to slicing the sample, them being slicing it in maschine and then just using maschine as a vst but I feel like if I am using ableton I should be slicing the sample inside of it because the more options for effects and etc.

The next being warping and slicing in arrangement view then dragging the clips into session view and using maschine to trigger scenes like this guy. How to make Kanye West style beats using Ableton Live 8 -- Tutorial - YouTube

Or I could set warp markers and slice the sample to a new midi track and use maschine in a drum rack template to fire the samples.

And I've read you can chop a song in ableton's actual sampler tool but Im pretty clueless on how to use that and the videos on abletons site don't talk about chopping a sample just making new sounds and etc.

I'm truely sorry for the vagueness and length of this post but I've hit a brick wall. How do you guys flip a track in ableton? What do you reccomend for me to do with maschine available?

Thanks so much for any responses
Old 18th March 2012
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Depends on what I'm trying to do with the sample.. I have an MPK49, so if I'm trying to chop the sample in the style of DJ Premier or Pete Rock, I'll set up my warp markers to where each hit is and slice to new midi track to each warp marker in 1/8th notes. I have an MPC preset that's similar to this here..

Ableton Live 8: MPC Chopping & Slicing Preset - YouTube

If I'm trying to do it "Kanye style" where the sample is pretty much played out for a certain number of bars (I don't like to play longer loops on pads), I do it right in the session view and slice the waveform however I like it. I first try to get the BPM of the original track perfect, using warp markers and the metronome, then I play around with the pitch & BPM to manipulate it how I like.

There are definitely a lot of ways to do things in Ableton, and it can get overwhelming, but I would try out the "MPC style" and just use the Maschine as a controller... I've found that Ableton's workflow is just incredible once you get used to it..

As for that tutorial you posted.. I'll say it in the nicest way possible.. I was definitely not a fan of it. Makes things appear way more difficult than they should be..

Hopefully this helped you out.
Old 18th March 2012
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Depends on what I'm trying to do with the sample.. I have an MPK49, so if I'm trying to chop the sample in the style of DJ Premier or Pete Rock, I'll set up my warp markers to where each hit is and slice to new midi track to each warp marker in 1/8th notes. I have an MPC preset that's similar to this here..

Ableton Live 8: MPC Chopping & Slicing Preset - YouTube

If I'm trying to do it "Kanye style" where the sample is pretty much played out for a certain number of bars (I don't like to play longer loops on pads), I do it right in the session view and slice the waveform however I like it. I first try to get the BPM of the original track perfect, using warp markers and the metronome, then I play around with the pitch & BPM to manipulate it how I like.

There are definitely a lot of ways to do things in Ableton, and it can get overwhelming, but I would try out the "MPC style" and just use the Maschine as a controller... I've found that Ableton's workflow is just incredible once you get used to it..

As for that tutorial you posted.. I'll say it in the nicest way possible.. I was definitely not a fan of it. Makes things appear way more difficult than they should be..

Hopefully this helped you out.
Thanks for the response Im going to try the tut out as soon as I get home.

So heres my question for you mr. akg. If I'm playing around with a sample with transpose pitch and etc (kanye steez) and then I want to hop into "mpc style" ill slice the sped up sample to a midi track but then all my tranpose pitch and etc goes right out the window when I do (it goes back to original sound). Is there any way to keep these adjustments to the sample when slicing to a midi track?
Old 19th March 2012
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Thanks for the response Im going to try the tut out as soon as I get home.

So heres my question for you mr. akg. If I'm playing around with a sample with transpose pitch and etc (kanye steez) and then I want to hop into "mpc style" ill slice the sped up sample to a midi track but then all my tranpose pitch and etc goes right out the window when I do (it goes back to original sound). Is there any way to keep these adjustments to the sample when slicing to a midi track?
There PROBABLY is, but to be honest, I'm not sure how it's done. I am by no means an Ableton expert. But the video I showed you which has the MPC settings allows you to transpose every slice at the same time, so it's never been much of an issue with me.
Old 19th March 2012
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There PROBABLY is, but to be honest, I'm not sure how it's done. I am by no means an Ableton expert. But the video I showed you which has the MPC settings allows you to transpose every slice at the same time, so it's never been much of an issue with me.
I realize this now that I have followed the tutorial. This was actually the perfect link I needed idk how I haven't watched it before. Thanks so much!
Old 19th March 2012
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If you want to keep your "new" pitch of the sample - first you'll need to freeze&flatten (right-click -> freeze track, then right-click -> flatten) the track with your sample and then chop it up.

Cheers!
Old 19th March 2012
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The problem I am having is that there is so many options to slicing the sample, them being slicing it in maschine and then just using maschine as a vst but I feel like if I am using ableton I should be slicing the sample inside of it because the more options for effects and etc.
That doesn't necessarily follow especially since Maschine is about the quickest way to slice and flip samples, can utilize any VST/AU plugin and plays well inside DAWs including Live. The decision to use which tool for a task should depend on your preferred workflow, like whether you're okay with clicking around menus with a mouse on a computer screen or not.

Sounds like you should get yourself more familiar with Live and take the time to learn it as it's quite a deep program. What made you get Live in the first place?
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I don't sample in Ableton.
Old 23rd March 2012
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Im interested to see where this thread goes. Im sick of the slow sampling workflow in reason and want something where i can pitch/time shift and warp audio and have midi info right in front of me. I also want something where chop-to-sampler is as streamlined as possible and user friendly. Everything ive read so far is telling me ableton is the way to go. Im also trying to incorporate some DJ gear into my rig, so it seems like a no brainer. But then i hear stuff like this also.....
Old 23rd March 2012
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The clip arrangement view on Ableton is like turning your daw into a MPC (in my opinion). Except you gotta get your own samples. Use a midi control to fire them off as you record it. It only records in the linear view which you can then edit that afterwards if you want to. It's cool, I love it. The learning curve is not as easy as you may think though. Well at least for me it's not. It's a different and fun way of recording a track and gives you that "live" feel.. All your samples will save into your "live set" and you can use the same sounds in a different order and make a completely different sound out of them. I don't think any of the DAWs are better then the others. They are all just different. In the end you have another song done. the only difference is the program you used to make it. Get the DAW that you think motivates you to make music. That's the one that you should get.
Old 23rd March 2012
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I believe the fastest way (at least for me) to chop samples is by using warp markers (the ones you set yourself). It's even easier if you're cutting on kicks / snares, because they also leave you this transient marker as a guide. Also if you use Ableton's Sampler & Note Length when slicing to a MIDI track, you save so much space in your hard drive because you don't have to save the sounds and you save time.

Though if you aren't chopping at kicks / snares (if it's just a piano sample, for example) using warps are still great. Unless you really want to do more while chopping, you can use Ableton's Simpler.
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Depends on what I'm trying to do with the sample.. I have an MPK49, so if I'm trying to chop the sample in the style of DJ Premier or Pete Rock, I'll set up my warp markers to where each hit is and slice to new midi track to each warp marker in 1/8th notes. I have an MPC preset that's similar to this here..

Ableton Live 8: MPC Chopping & Slicing Preset - YouTube

If I'm trying to do it "Kanye style" where the sample is pretty much played out for a certain number of bars (I don't like to play longer loops on pads), I do it right in the session view and slice the waveform however I like it. I first try to get the BPM of the original track perfect, using warp markers and the metronome, then I play around with the pitch & BPM to manipulate it how I like.

There are definitely a lot of ways to do things in Ableton, and it can get overwhelming, but I would try out the "MPC style" and just use the Maschine as a controller... I've found that Ableton's workflow is just incredible once you get used to it..

As for that tutorial you posted.. I'll say it in the nicest way possible.. I was definitely not a fan of it. Makes things appear way more difficult than they should be..

Hopefully this helped you out.
Thanks for the response Im going to try the tut out as soon as I get home.

So heres my question for you mr. akg. If I'm playing around with a sample with transpose pitch and etc (kanye steez) and then I want to hop into "mpc style" ill slice the sped up sample to a midi track but then all my tranpose pitch and etc goes right out the window when I do (it goes back to original sound). Is there any way to keep these adjustments to the sample when slicing to a midi track?

In live nine use command-J to consolidate clips post-transposition and it will create a new audio file that you can sample and/or chop without losing the transposition.
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Sampling in Live 8/9 is very easy.

I use an MPC slice preset that contains all MPC most use features. Sinds i use an MPD32 it makes it even more easy.

Watch the video above in the earlier massage on this topic about MPC slice method. For all you Machine fanboys. This preset is the only one that fits with MPC style. Ableton itself has a ton of stock preset slice methodes. The most important one is Transepose, Detune and also the choke. The choke feature is to make sure every time when you use a different key or pad it will cut-off the previous sound.

Use warp mode to pick the right samples by creating warp markers. If you finished that click right (mouse) and choose option Slice to new midi and you see an option screen. Choose type of slicing and sellect the MPC preset one. Voila you entered mcp style.

My tip is play arround with knobs like sample lenght or detune and transpose and others to create different sounds.
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When i do sample into ableton i just sample right on to the Clip arranger View edit the sample. and loop it or chop it up and put it in the drum rack or just leave it and put it in sampler.
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The clip arrangement view on Ableton is like turning your daw into a MPC (in my opinion). Except you gotta get your own samples. Use a midi control to fire them off as you record it. It only records in the linear view which you can then edit that afterwards if you want to. It's cool, I love it....
Agreed, it's definitely the old school approach to sampling and its one of my preferred methods of doing so. Asigning different pitch and octive shifts to each sample creates more versatility and style as well.

You'd definitely want go to your settings for each clip and change the quantize settings from global to instant though. Otherwise it'll play on que with the global timing. When on instant it'll play as soon as you input a midi signal, thus enabling you to get that offbeat Dilla-esque groove that nearly every hip-hop musician is inspired from.
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I never really chop then into pads it takes too long for me because you have to get the starting & endings right for all the chops etc... I just drop the sample into arrangement view warp it how i like it, consolidate it so the warps stick, and then cut & paste like if it were to be played on the pads.

Btw audio to midi + ableton push is a GODSEND when you are trying to fit original parts over sampled parts and have everything be in the same key, or interpolate the samples into your own songs. Lately ive even been singing melodies over the sample, then audio to midi on my own voice, then find a patch i like to replace it with, its Awesome!
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Thanks for the response Im going to try the tut out as soon as I get home.

So heres my question for you mr. akg. If I'm playing around with a sample with transpose pitch and etc (kanye steez) and then I want to hop into "mpc style" ill slice the sped up sample to a midi track but then all my tranpose pitch and etc goes right out the window when I do (it goes back to original sound). Is there any way to keep these adjustments to the sample when slicing to a midi track?
Consolidate clip. Much simpler than freeze. Render what ever audio selected into a new audio file with warp properties. This is also useful if you chop and arrange a beat on the timeline and then want to turn those little snips into one clip.

I recommend trying repitch instead of beats as your warp mode for turntable style beat matching. Or turn off warp and use the pitch knob in the clip setting to manipulate the sample first then turn on warp to get the time stretching magic of beat matching.
Old 3 Weeks Ago
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I have a question I have asked on another forum and it sounds like there are a lot of ableton people here...say I have a drum loop I drag into a audio track and I warp it pretty drastically and I right click and set samples to new midi track the warp is gone and it's back to the original bpm. How do I get the warp markers to stay warped when chopping the sample on the warp markers...
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I have a question I have asked on another forum and it sounds like there are a lot of ableton people here...say I have a drum loop I drag into a audio track and I warp it pretty drastically and I right click and set samples to new midi track the warp is gone and it's back to the original bpm. How do I get the warp markers to stay warped when chopping the sample on the warp markers...
after you get the warp how you like it, press control+J and consolidate the clip. then its a new audio file and those warp markers are set in stone
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after you get the warp how you like it, press control+J and consolidate the clip. then its a new audio file and those warp markers are set in stone
Never thought about this one.

So if i do this i only consolidate to a new track but only the warpmarked chop point will consolidate? You mean if i chop it up in 25 pieces it wil play the new audio as one from chop 1 till 25 as one audio file?

I'm gonna try this out but most of the time i'll chop it and the pro's of choppin is when you transpose all the chops will be transposed.

Thx for this info because it's always nice to learn new stuff.
Old 3 Weeks Ago
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Once you press Cntrl+J and consolidate it will just be a brand new audio file, it wont have any warp markers at at, it will just have the adjustments you made but it will be as if the file originally just came like that. If that makes any sense. Its similar to freeze and flatten or resampling the file to a new track, its just a lil bit faster than doing resampling or freeze/flatten and you get to keep your plugins intact without printing them onto the audio file
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Hey I'm cool with that I wish they had a function you could warp and chop at the same time...but beggars can't be choosers....thanks guys
Old 3 Weeks Ago
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I only use samples to flavour beats e.g. vocal or instrument samples, but I don't like to use warping because laying stuff over a beat which isn't at the same tempo can often create really interesting rhythmic elements. Especially with something like a piano sample.

I create a drum rack with a simpler on each pad, copying the same sample to each one. Then start pressing the key associated with the first pad, moving the sample start point as I go until I find a little bit I like. Then I move onto 2nd pad and do the same thing, etc. until I have a few pads of little vocal samples or melody which I like, then I can start putting them together.

I like this approach because it's quick, you can pitch each pad differently, and it's experimental so you can easily turn a sample into something unrecognisable.
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Hey I'm cool with that I wish they had a function you could warp and chop at the same time...but beggars can't be choosers....thanks guys
If you warp and slice it to a new miditrack it's a matter of seconds.

the MPC preset contains these macro's

Sample Start
Sample Lenght
Attack
Release
Transpose
Detune
Spread
Volume

The wapr mode is already one of the best key features in Live 9. The new 9.2 update gonna be a hugh step to even more accurate and advanced warping. Finally Ableton is workin on less Latency during the process.

I Love it.
Old 3 Weeks Ago
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Wow it's interesting how many ways there are to do sampling in Live.

I just open up an empty Drum Rack. Then I drag my samples onto the pads. from there i cut them with in and out. Pretty much the same as on the MPC 2000, thats why i like ableton live. I don't use that warp stuff with auto BPM sync, that sounds like shit imo - I do it the manual way with pitching.
Oh, and don't forget to use Filter Resonance in the left bottom corner. Also looping is nice, as you can do that loop + long release times = 'delay' kinda thing that was killer on the MPC too
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I wish drum racks had a Copy feature.
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I wish drum racks had a Copy feature.
what do you mean?
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what do you mean?
So if I want to drag my audio file into the drum rack to chop, I have to drag 16 times if I want 16 chops. if there was a copy or duplicate pad function it would be much easier.
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So if I want to drag my audio file into the drum rack to chop, I have to drag 16 times if I want 16 chops. if there was a copy or duplicate pad function it would be much easier.
On windows Hold control and drag one drum rack cell into another you'll see the little +sign, that copies it. And if you Hold alt and do the same that layers 2 pads together
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