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Old 15th September 2008 | Show parent
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can we here some [this thread is really attracting mne to get a virus ti
yeah sure... can I post on this thread? Not sure what the rules are now... if someone gives me the go I will. Any specific types of sounds you would like to hear? More hip-hop, modern pop. Let me know.
Old 16th September 2008 | Show parent
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i guess it depends on your definition (really a choice of semantics). No it isnt an analogue subtractive synth or a digital modeller of analogue subtractive synthesis like the virus, this isnt all that is meant by the term synthesis however. as i clearly said, it uses s&s (sample and synthesis), which means that sampled waveforms are used instead of a linear oscillator to produce the fundamental sound, which is then modulated by LFOs and filters etc. to produce a synthesised sound just like in an analogue type subtractive synth. (in fact if we are being really pedantic true samplers are synths too, especially if they have filter and LFO options which most do.)

dictionary definition of a synthesizer:
'an electronic musical instrument, typically operated by a keyboard, producing a wide variety of sounds by generating and combining signals of different frequencies.' in the case of the Fantome, the sounds of different frequencies are provided by digital waveforms.
Synthesizers create sound beginning with oscillation first in the signal flow...

Workstations dont. Not first at least, and I think that's a major factor in differentiating the two.

The Fantom is not a synth by conventional definition (I dont care what a dictionary says) ... it might incorporate forms of synthesis and re-synthesis using existing waveforms but it's hardly a from-scratch synthesizer.

Opinions / preferences / semantics aside. There is a 'right' answer on this ...
Old 16th September 2008 | Show parent
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yeah sure... can I post on this thread? Not sure what the rules are now... if someone gives me the go I will. Any specific types of sounds you would like to hear? More hip-hop, modern pop. Let me know.

both pop rnb and hiphop. if possible leads, arppeggio, gated synth, whatever u can and dont mind uploading.
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be different and get the ti
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but cant the fantom do pretty much everything the virus can do synth wise?

No...
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Synthesizers create sound beginning with oscillation first in the signal flow...

Workstations dont. Not first at least, and I think that's a major factor in differentiating the two.

The Fantom is not a synth by conventional definition (I dont care what a dictionary says) ... it might incorporate forms of synthesis and re-synthesis using existing waveforms but it's hardly a from-scratch synthesizer.

Opinions / preferences / semantics aside. There is a 'right' answer on this ...
no, you are wrong. just because it isnt a 'from scratch' synthesiser as you put it (I think you are getting confused between analogue type synths and other types) doesn't make it not a synth. what part of 'sample & synthesis' sdont you understand? Sample-based synthesis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

the source of the waveform is unimportant. it is still a synth. what about a wavetable based synth like the microwave or the Korg Wavestation? are these not synths either because they use pre recorded waveform data in digital synthesis?

you hip hop cats seem to play with a couple of analogue modelling synths and get your knickers in a twist about what is and isnt a synth... yeah, ive got plenty of analogue and digital. stick to what you know, arguing about great river compressors or something.

anyway, who gives a crap, I cant believe that Im arguing on the internet, I just sometimes find the know it all attitude on here somewhat overbearing.
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No...
That I will agree with, just because they are both technically synths doesnt mean they are both equally deep.
Old 16th September 2008 | Show parent
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no, you are wrong. just because it isnt a 'from scratch' synthesiser as you put it (I think you are getting confused between analogue type synths and other types) doesn't make it not a synth. what part of 'sample & synthesis' sdont you understand? Sample-based synthesis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

the source of the waveform is unimportant. it is still a synth. what about a wavetable based synth like the microwave or the Korg Wavestation? are these not synths either because they use pre recorded waveform data in digital synthesis?

you hip hop cats seem to play with a couple of analogue modelling synths and get your knickers in a twist about what is and isnt a synth... yeah, ive got plenty of analogue and digital. stick to what you know, arguing about great river compressors or something.

anyway, who gives a crap, I cant believe that Im arguing on the internet, I just sometimes find the know it all attitude on here somewhat overbearing.
1. You could have had a decent conversation here but ahh, attacks at "hip hop cats" just isn't gonna work. You have no idea who I am and what my history is. Attempts at belittling will get you nowhere in this arena. You assumptions, although comical, are so far off base they don't even warrant specific correction. If you wanna whip your resume penis out, feel free to PM me ... I'll send you mine. It's bigger.

2a. OMG, arguing on the internet?! I can't believe it! Welcome to it ... they have this wireless thing now. Now you can argue anywhere.

2b. Pot meet kettle?

The point is not the semantics in which you're obviously stuck on, but the practicality of his question.

He thinks (asked?) he can do the same things with the Fantom that he can do with the Virus. That is not true. Period. End of discussion. No mas.

Because marketing departments have simply skewed/widened definitions to increase appeal does not mean these two machines are capable of the same things. The Fantom X has pads on it too... that means it's just like an MPC! Buy it now, it can do it all! OMG WOW A SYNTH AND AN MPC!

And that, really, is the brunt of this conversation which you so pompously chose to ignore. Whether you really just choose to spout irrelevant babble or your screen name is just descriptive of a certain obsessive personal activity is besides the point (again).

Just, you know, try to stay in the conversation. If you're so bound up and jumpy then well... go do what you do. Let a load off. You'll feel better.

Your last post about "depth" (last post) just truly shows that you really don't know what you're talking about. The depth in both of these machines is essentially immeasurable. On the surface they are both simple machines but anyone with as much experience as say, you have, can delve as far as they want while continuously learning new things and taking sounds to completely new levels.

The differences between the TI and the G have nothing to do with the depth of one versus the other. That's where any contribution you could have had in this thread is simply discredited. There are a million other things that seperate these sources and depth wouldn't even show up in the Top 100,000.

Either that, or you're just kind of guessing and don't *really* know what's going on or you're a subscriber to Remix magazine (not sure which). The Fantom G's should be dropping in price soon though so maybe you'll be able to pick one up. I'll let you know when mine goes up on Craigslist.

What else ya got? Any other unfounded, laughable assumptions and/or irrelevant dictionary definitions?
Old 16th September 2008 | Show parent
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as far as synth programming (which is what we were talking about), the Virus TI has a lot more depth than the Fantom. I'm not sure how that simple statement of fact negates or reduces the credibility of my other points, which you didnt really address in any detail greater than vague character assasinations. Anyway, I dont care either way, Ive got a digital workstation and plenty of analogue synths and Im not really bothered what they are called by anyone to be honest.
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anyone can please post a few sounds of the virus please?
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both pop rnb and hiphop. if possible leads, arppeggio, gated synth, whatever u can and dont mind uploading.
yessir enjoy... I just realized I dont have anything with the gates or arps as I have only had this thing for a month. Let me know if you wanna hear more and I can just load a gate patch or two and play a few chords.

I tried to point out what sounds are off the virus in the titles but let me know if you want more info. None of the tracks are mixed (except for one track that has a rough mix) and the virus sounds are being played back from the Virus Control with no additional plug-ins.

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Old 17th September 2008 | Show parent
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post some more but im definetly liking it man about to get one motis xs rack was gonna be my next purchase bout to skip it for the virus ti.
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post some more but im definetly liking it man about to get one motis xs rack was gonna be my next purchase bout to skip it for the virus ti.
nice man... I wouldnt dismiss a workstation all together though I sold my motif I bought 2 years ago when I first started out and now I end up sending midi files to one of my buddys to hook me up every once in a while. You gotta love worstation brass patches! I kinda like the fantoms better might actually cop one of those as a controller and for some standard sounds.

BTW I use the snow I got it for only 1200 and just run it with a cheap m-audio controller in logic- thats def much cheaper than at least the new motifs.

When I get back home later today I will bust out some gated sounds... I can tell you for one that they kill any of those plug-ins like nexus and vanguard.
Old 17th September 2008 | Show parent
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yessir enjoy... I just realized I dont have anything with the gates or arps as I have only had this thing for a month. Let me know if you wanna hear more and I can just load a gate patch or two and play a few chords.

I tried to point out what sounds are off the virus in the titles but let me know if you want more info. None of the tracks are mixed (except for one track that has a rough mix) and the virus sounds are being played back from the Virus Control with no additional plug-ins.

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Nice beats man!!!
Old 15th October 2008 | Show parent
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I love my Fantom G, but Roland needs to bring on the long overdue OS update + update the VST editor.

It's been 5 months since the 1.10 hotfix, and there are still major quirks to be fixed and many rudimentary basic functions that are lacking.



Feel free to copy/paste that youtube link to all your Fantom G sources, so we get lots of views and Roland Japan gets the message. YouTube is somewhat a global media afterall..
Old 21st October 2008 | Show parent
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Apples and oranges OP!

Two VERY different machines.

Fantom is a typical workstation keyboard. It has more acoustic sounds, strings,guitars ect.

Virus is a VA synth. Mostly trance,house type sounds.

Now depending on your needs you should choose accordingly.

Having Gigasampler IMO would make the fantom a non worthy purchase because you will cause an overlap in sounds.

The virus will provide you the tools to make any dance-type sound imaginable.

AFAIK the fantom is not a full fledge synth in that you cant start with a default waveform on oscillators and tweak to get a new sound.
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you cant start with a default waveform on oscillators and tweak to get a new sound.
You can take any of the 2230 built-in waveforms, lets say a JP saw and have it as your oscillator. Then add filters and envelopes. If the 2230 are not enough, you can import your own.

I don't understand what you mean with 'fully fledged', but.. ah... I'll just quote from my own post @ Roland Clan:

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Here's one single patch I made (from scratch) a few days ago (MP3):
RapidShare: Easy Filehosting

All this tweaking available in Patch Pro edit:

It's a single patch that is made of:
1265 700 Saw
1261 Real MG Saw (up one octave)
1274 JP-8 Saw (down one octave)

I was going for an vintage vibe and I assumed these were waveforms from the true classic Roland System 700, Moog Concertmate MG-1 (?) and from an Roland JP-8.

What I was after was kind of a lazy 70s supersaw with an eastern hypnotic snakecharmer vibe.

As you see they are all saws, but they all sound a bit different. The System 700 being the fattest, so I used it as the foundation of the sound, thus it is 6db louder than the 2 others.

It's a straight structure Type 1 patch, nothing really fancy going on.
What's happening is that I am modulating the filters and pans and amplitudes with the LFOs. The LFOs are regular SIN waveforms and all LFOs are tempo synched.

I chose the SIN waveform, because I was going after a snakelike motion for the sound. There is also a tiny bit of pitch depth modulation going on to create a chorus effect, but the System 700 Saw is not pitch modulated to keep the foundation pitch straight. There's also tone delay (misc tab) for the Real MG and JP-8 tones to create a delay effect. I put a slow rise on the JP-8 Env so it kinda sounds like a backwards delay .

With these two little gimmics I don't need chorus or delay from the PFX, because the PFX is running an Multistage Phaser. The Modulation of the Phaser is also tempo fixed so the whole motion of the patch is in synch.
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Old 21st October 2008 | Show parent
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exactly.
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Here's one more sample I just made with the Fantom G only.

This is for 'the hip hop cats', lol. RapidShare: Easy Filehosting

Everything is from the G, no samples, except a 26kb Mono snare sample that's layered in there, possibly a hihat too.. The bass is out-of-the box, the dirty strings are out-of-the-box trough a Part Effect (PFX). The gnarly 'lead' is a patch I made myself. The drumkit is one I customized and tweaked and aded a few own samples to.

This is just a quickie straight from the G. Normally one would take the tracks and bother to mix them properly in Logic/Protools/Cubase, right? ...and then master.

- Jesse -
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I'd still say that having a fantom g and gigasampler is a bit of overkill.
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Not to hijack the thread, but why the TI snow is so much cheaper than the TI? I bet they don't sound the same..

Anyway Acess should give a t-shirt(or any other goods) to MYAMS.... I'm pretty much sold the thing sound awesome
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Not to hijack the thread, but why the TI snow is so much cheaper than the TI? I bet they don't sound the same..

Anyway Acess should give a t-shirt(or any other goods) to MYAMS.... I'm pretty much sold the thing sound awesome
The sound quality is the same.

It's cheaper becuase it is only 4 parts mutltimbral and the TI desktop is 16 parts.

It also has less knobs and has less ployphony. Heres a review on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWV3N7TOVjc
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Not to hijack the thread, but why the TI snow is so much cheaper than the TI? I bet they don't sound the same..

Anyway Acess should give a t-shirt(or any other goods) to MYAMS.... I'm pretty much sold the thing sound awesome
sounds exactly the same bro just one dsp card verses 2- so less polyphony and 4 parts multi-timbral versus 16. Yeah for real lol I feel like I am walking billboard for access and sonic specialists. Its just new dudes come on here asking what gear is hot and I let em know.
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Thanks guys
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Although roland makes some great supersaws nothing compares to virus's hypersaws- and thats just the beginning.

The V-synth's Hypersaws can get really nasty.
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BTW, virus is a very deep synth that you can get lost in. So is the V-synth XT. (you get 3 synths in one! V-synth, D50, vocal designer). V-synth is deeper but has less presets. You have the ability to load your own samples to use as an oscillator (Virus doesn't have this) and the virus doesn't have anything that comes close to the vocal designer card.

I say get a V-synth XT for under $900 used and learn to tweak it!
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