Originally Posted by T. Gundersen

I have both AT Evo and Melodyne plug-in, but I never got Melodyne plug-in to work right. There's always little timing issues with it for me, using it in Logic. I have a few colleagues who are having the same problems with it but also know people that haven't noticed anything.

Originally Posted by coyotekells

macleod, great insights man!!

Tune: my number one qualm is I can't figure out how to leave parts of the vocal UNAFFECTED! I often prefer to only tune/edit the parts of the performance I can hear errors in.. the rest I leave exactly as it was (assuming I'm working with a good singer).

How the **** do you do this without moving those parts to another track all together?


AutoTune: AT will remain a staple in every studio, no matter what they mix with, because you will get clients that NEED AT at tracking stage. You can be a purist all you want, but the reality is that some hit record makers (and lots of non-hit record makers) need to track their bad singing through AT. I want to give the client whatever makes them comfortable, and if they need to hear the tuned vocal in their headphones to get vibing, then I want to give it to them. I'm really not concerned with "vocal skills" as much as someone who can just make a great record. I've heard singers who's skill was amazing, but it didn't make them special on the track.. something with a more interesting voice, better vibe, and lots of AT (not T-pain, just no more flat notes)

Melodyne is super cool, but I've never used it extensively.. only when I had a surgical project I couldn't fix with anything else..

If you're tracking mostly, choose AT -- it will work for more situations.

If you're just editing/mixing, then Tune and/or Melodyne will serve better.


Btw, why do people thing AT sucks so bad? I think it's lack of knowing how to operate it correctly mixed with bad singing. If you have a singer who's good and just hit a few notes that could've been more on point, AT smooths everything out without ever touching graphical mode or doing anything fancy with the knobs. and if u need to really change things, the graphical mode seems to be sufficient... or maybe i'm the inexperienced one?

Originally Posted by butterfly

.....................surely not much call for that.................unless your tuning a performance of The magic Fluteheh

Originally Posted by Keyflo

Hey which is better, I seen the vids with Waves tune and Auto tune, And i think Waves tune takes the cake.......Wut do u guys think

Originally Posted by logichead

Well, I watched the video, I think I was viewer number 1.

The DP pitch tool looks pretty good interface wise. Hard to tell how it sounded because the vocal always had delays and verbs going, even when soloed. Hard to judge transparency when the vocal is awash in fx. I will say the tuned vocal sounded duller and less interesting to my ear over my computer speakers. This may be due to the way DP handles formant correction. One of the things I like about Tune is the ability to turn formant correction off.

The tuning was quick, so it was missing much of the subtlety I prefer, slower attack of the tuning for example. I'm sure DP is capable of it.

Overall, if you are a DP user, it's free, nothing wrong with that. But I don't think anyone will change DAWs to use it. And DP users would still be wise to consider Waves, Melodyne, and AT Evo.

The reality is, all of these are valid. I use Waves Tune mostly, AT occasionally, and Melodyne seldom, but that could change at any time.

Best...H

Originally Posted by logichead

Well, I watched the video, I think I was viewer number 1.

The DP pitch tool looks pretty good interface wise. Hard to tell how it sounded because the vocal always had delays and verbs going, even when soloed. Hard to judge transparency when the vocal is awash in fx. I will say the tuned vocal sounded duller and less interesting to my ear over my computer speakers. This may be due to the way DP handles formant correction. One of the things I like about Tune is the ability to turn formant correction off.

The tuning was quick, so it was missing much of the subtlety I prefer, slower attack of the tuning for example. I'm sure DP is capable of it.

Overall, if you are a DP user, it's free, nothing wrong with that. But I don't think anyone will change DAWs to use it. And DP users would still be wise to consider Waves, Melodyne, and AT Evo.

The reality is, all of these are valid. I use Waves Tune mostly, AT occasionally, and Melodyne seldom, but that could change at any time.

Best...H

Originally Posted by AcoosticZoo

Just to put things into perspective, Even though Wave-Tune is more transparent when compared to Auto-Evo - when correcting at extreme levels, I must clarify that both results aren't of release level when required to pitch correct severely. However, if you're after that T-Pain EFFECT then Wave-Tune won't do it and Autotune EVO will.

In my experience, nothing can fix a singer's really bad notes, thus they must do some homework and come back to re-track another time if possible.

So in practical terms, EVO and Waves-Tune are pretty much neck and Neck given that waves-tune doesn't have as much "tuned" artifacts but can't really save severely off notes where as Evo can save real bad notes but in doing so creates that Cool/Uncool T-pain effect. As a result both tools aren't transparent enough to pass when there's a really bad performance. Therefore, vocal pitch correction isn't magic bullet that cures all singing woes.

Regards
Josef Horhay
Mixing Engineer
www.acoosticzoo.com

Originally Posted by Storyville

This is only half true. As someone who does ALOT of tuning work I'll concede that neither is transparent. Waves tune is significantly more transparent - and if you use it carefully, and in combination with pitch shifting, time stretching, and surgical editing you can do some pretty impressive stuff.

Let me put it this way - I did some major tuning to a song a couple of days ago. Lead vocals and four part harmony - almost every note was off. There's only a few places where the tune can really be heard. On top of that, the lead vocalist had a place where he choked on the letter "L" ending a word. He didn't have a word ending in "L" properly anywhere else in the song - so i was able to grab an L from one of the background vocalists, eq it, pitch shift, and volume match it, then cross fade it and make it seem like it belonged. I actually didn't think it was going to work when I first set out.

Point being is that you can do some serious magic bullet work when you have to. But it's EXTREMELY tedious.

Moral of the story - some jobs are best charged by the hour. Oh yeah, and Waves Tune is great. Auto-tune would have sounded all sorts of screwy.

Originally Posted by phillysoulman

If you MUST use it,then Waves Tune wins,hands down...but ONLY if you're not tone deaf.
Sadly,99% of rappers are tone deaf...but not my main man,TONE DEF who spits with that dj,.MIX MASTER BATES

Originally Posted by sevendaysoff

I'll give you guys a freebie from my bag of tricks.

When tuning, roll off the high-end around 1k . Tune your passage, when you're done deactivate the filter.

thank me later

ohh and melodyne kills all of em.

and if you can only get the T-Pain "effect" when using auto-tune. Read the manual and start moving knobs.. LIKE THE RETUNE SPEED (duh)

Originally Posted by jrockx3

Quick Question for your, when tuning, roll off the high-end around 1k trick.
I thought Melodyne in plug in mode after you transfer the audio plays back the audio not your DAW so I am just trying to figure out how I can roll off the high end around 1K, tune it and then bypass the filter so the 1K comes back if melodyne is playing back the audio with the filter applied?

Originally Posted by Mikey MTC

You're right - you can't filter in front of Melodyne because you will "print" that filtered signal. The pre-EQ trick only works with Waves Tune and Auto-Tune (in pitch mode). The new Auto-Tune 7 in pitch & time mode works like Melodyne in that it records the data to a file so you can't pre-filter.