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Old 11th January 2009
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I'll just stick to making music in my bedroom and making cash in an office... that way I can have fun with music and continue to hate working...and not learn to hate making music or being involved in music.
Old 12th January 2009
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Schoepps 221




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hey... i took that photo (Schoeps M221). Music Shed Studios NOLA - they own a pair. Excellent(!) SDC tube mics BTW.

Back on Topic - i too figured it was a 421 and not '412' (edit: the answer turned out to be 414 √) - but then 220/221 whatever works.

i've been engineering for over 20 years - and by the grace of a select few people who took the time to engage and encourage my skills and broaden my knowledge - i'm still here today. With the right motivation / desire / patience and dedication - any of those points mentioned could be taught to someone lacking in (some) fundamental basics.

also - i came from tape to digital and while i can align a tape machine - it's less and less a format for studio work these days (though we still have a 2" - it's not called on 24/7 anymore)

i can only look into the future and suppose that fewer and fewer younger people entering this biz will need any skill in this area? tape won't go away, but i feel it will become a more esoteric medium.

Geoff Emerick's first job working at Abbey Road? Mastering Engineer... and i appreciated the logic behind that EMI protocol: when you understand what can and can't work on vinyl, then you'll know better how to balance/engineer sounds in the studio.

Geoff did not know microphones / calibration / etc... white coat technicians handled that work.

just my .02
Old 12th January 2009
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Geoff Emerick's first job working at Abbey Road? Mastering Engineer... and i appreciated the logic behind that EMI protocol: when you understand what can and can't work on vinyl, then you'll know better how to balance/engineer sounds in the studio.
Didn't Mr. Emerick start off as a Tape Op, just like everybody else?
Old 12th January 2009
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Born in 1946, he began his studio career as a disc-cutter, eventually becoming the assistant of longtime Abbey Road engineer Norman Smith; when Smith was promoted to the A&R department at EMI Records in early 1966, Emerick -- then just 20 years old -- was tapped to fill the vacated engineering position. - from Answers.com

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however, i've now located and re-referenced Geoff's book - and yes, after a 2 week audition period following other engineers around on various sessions, he became a full fledged "button pusher" - the first promotion thereafter (less than a year later) - he's a lacquer cutter... then mastering engineer.

quoted:
"But the EMI 'way' was to move inexorably upward, from assistant to playback lacquer to mastering to balance engineer..."

so yes, bgrotto - you've routed me again - - how are your "servants" doin.. much luv.
Old 12th January 2009
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Born in 1946, he began his studio career as a disc-cutter, eventually becoming the assistant of longtime Abbey Road engineer Norman Smith; when Smith was promoted to the A&R department at EMI Records in early 1966, Emerick -- then just 20 years old -- was tapped to fill the vacated engineering position. - from Answers.com

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however, i've now located and re-referenced Geoff's book - and yes, after a 2 week audition period following other engineers around on various sessions, he became a full fledged "button pusher" - the first promotion thereafter (less than a year later) - he's a laquer cutter... then mastering engineer.

quoted:
"But the EMI 'way' was to move inexorably upward, from assistant to playback lacquer to mastering to balance engineer..."

so yes, bgrotto - you've routed me again - - how are your "servants" doin.. much luv.
Heh...I got "Recording the Beatles" for xmas...so I'm right on top of this stuff these days
Old 12th January 2009
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it's all good... i love the RTB book - good for combining stomach crunches with bedtime reading.. it's a hefty book, both in weight and content.

the EMI REDD.51 console functionality/routing, alone, kept me engrossed for several days.
Old 12th January 2009
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I also own the RTB book..its almost as hefty as a two inch tape/w container.
Old 12th January 2009
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is that the big thick coffee table book? the one with more info than anyone would ever care to know about the beatles and their sessions?

if so, that is a VERY cool book. definitely hours upon hours of reading material there. thumbsup
Old 12th January 2009
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is that the big thick coffee table book? the one with more info than anyone would ever care to know about the beatles and their sessions?

if so, that is a VERY cool book. definitely hours upon hours of reading material there. thumbsup
Heh, no way I'm putting that motha on MY coffee table. That **** is gonna stay carefully packaged, well-groomed, and live comfortably on a shelf of prominence. I really baby that thing...heh
Old 12th January 2009
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hmmm

Here's a few questions that I ask.

What is a record pad?

Yeah, what is a record pad?

What's the difference between drop frame and non-drop? And what different applications are they used for?

I thought this was video specific? 24 vs. 23.98 and all that...
Old 12th January 2009
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I make those who want to intern for me read this gem I compiled from rec.audio.pro a few years back... starring a few Gearslutz regulars:

Am I Getting Annoying? and I got another question for the Music Engineers.
Talk about great timing.

I have an interview for an internship position today. I was originally supposed to be there at 1 pm, but it was pushed back to 2 pm. I decided to come on gearslutz and have been reading that topic for the past hour. Really helped me focus on whats important, especially the comments by Fletcher from Mercenary Audio.
Old 12th January 2009
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Well Just like Ken Lewis said in a thread (Forgot which one) but he said, " if you don't live to succeed in this business, someone else will work harder than you and get what you want instead of you. Someone like me"

So I guess you don't live to succeed in this business, but that's ok!! less competition for me!
The key thing here is your definition of success, "average joe". Nobody's taking what I want, and I've been around enough to know there's plenty of "pie" for everyone to get in where they fit in.

BUT - that being said, if your ambition is to work for a commercial recording studio, then read that .pdf and suck in your pride!

If anyone out there is reading this and having second thoughts about getting into the audio business because of the apparent hazing going on and thinks it's something you have to go through to work in this business, don't listen to that. Just work hard at it and you'll get your piece too. Especially in the rap game, where in my experience, making sure you get things sounding "right" according to the vision of the artists you are working for counts a lot more than how many tape machines and formulas you can name off the top of your head.

Last edited by Franco; 12th January 2009 at 09:07 PM.. Reason: but working for a commercial studio...
Old 12th January 2009
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is that the big thick coffee table book? the one with more info than anyone would ever care to know about the beatles and their sessions?

if so, that is a VERY cool book. definitely hours upon hours of reading material there. thumbsup
This book is more technical and really gets down to the bare nuts and bolts of all of the gear and even original blueprints of the building which became EMI Studios/Abbey Road.
Theres even a cool book mark which is shaped like a U47
Old 12th January 2009
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This book is more technical and really gets down to the bare nuts and bolts of all of the gear and even original blueprints of the building which became EMI Studios/Abbey Road.
Theres even a cool book mark which is shaped like a U47


yea, thats the one. a cool ass book for sure, whether you're a Beatles fan or not.
Old 12th January 2009
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admit it though, in what other business do interns get sh*tted upon as much as in the studio recording industry?heh
Old 13th January 2009
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admit it though, in what other business do interns get sh*tted upon as much as in the studio recording industry?heh
Every business. Whether your a temp for a business office, or a resident intern at a hospital. The ladder up is tough. And it's supposed to be tough.
Old 13th January 2009
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got a good crack out of that email, if that's how guys are writing for internships then any decent smart kid should be able to get in over the say graduated dumbass.

My question are you more willing to hire someone who's fresh out of school with a degree in recording techniques, someone who's still studying in school, or a younger guy who's not in school but know's all the ropes.
Old 13th January 2009
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admit it though, in what other business do interns get sh*tted upon as much as in the studio recording industry?heh
Film/TV, Pro Sports Teams, Stock Broker/Financial services, or any business that has interns where "TIME IS MONEY".

Cant be all bad. Folks r lining up to be interns all across the spectrum.
Old 13th January 2009
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Film/TV, Pro Sports Teams, Stock Broker/Financial services, or any business that has interns where "TIME IS MONEY".

Cant be all bad. Folks r lining up to be interns all across the spectrum.
True, but most interns, IME at least, rarely last more than a few months. So maybe it is all bad...heh
Old 13th January 2009
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Every business. Whether your a temp for a business office, or a resident intern at a hospital. The ladder up is tough. And it's supposed to be tough.
About this I know. At the management company I used to work at, we never treated our interns with disrespect (we would actually treat them to lunch on most Fridays). My cousin's a doctor and when he was an Intern, his chief didn't treat him like ****; he gave him a hard time about maybe not shaving most days, but when he's expected to help save lives, if anything, they were trying to keep him motivated.

Also, my wife works for an advertising agency (if you think Major record label budgets are "large", they're chump change in comparison to the MILLIONS on an ad campaign). They too treat their Interns quite nicely (the brawls happen within the ranks).

Last edited by Franco; 14th January 2009 at 12:05 AM.. Reason: nobody dies if something goes wrong when working on audio!
Old 14th January 2009
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Every business. Whether your a temp for a business office, or a resident intern at a hospital. The ladder up is tough. And it's supposed to be tough.
I would venture to go as far as to say, if i had not interned (Downtown Recorders in Boston, and Soundtrack Studios in Boston), i would not have the career i have today.

One job led to the next to the next. Each opportunity helped open the door to the next, and once thru each door, I maximized each opportunity as much as possible. The experience i got from each place helped me shine brighter at the next. Each opportunity held some connection to unlocking the next. every single one. so, maybe without that first and/or second internship, I would just be another miserable guy in another miserable 9-5 in another cubicle.

Anybody who looks at an internship as "hey, somebody gets free labor, so i dont have to take it seriously", yeah, THOSE people get treated like ****. and there are plenty of those people, who think you (As a boss) owe them something because they arent drawing a pay check, instead of taking the attitude of having to earn your keep regardless of the fact that your not drawing a paycheck. Earn the respect of the staff, earn the opportunity to get into the control rooms and learn and be taught. An internship, if done right, is a free extension of your schooling, and the most important thing on your resume.

I'm sure there will always be douchbag bosses out there that even treat the good interns bad. Hey, there are bad people in this world. It sucks if you were the hard working guy in one of those situations. But more often than not, i'm willing to bet that what energy you put out there will come back to you, positive or negative.

In the immortal words of Randy Pausche "The brick walls are not there to keep us out. The brick walls are there to give us a chance to show how badly we want something. Because the brick walls are there to stop the people who dont want it badly enough"
Old 14th January 2009
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R.I.P Randy Pausch!!!!
Old 14th January 2009
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In the immortal words of Randy Pausche "The brick walls are not there to keep us out. The brick walls are there to give us a chance to show how badly we want something. Because the brick walls are there to stop the people who dont want it badly enough"
I had to come out of hiding to give an AMEN to that! Like u said before ken let the other guys keep sleepin less competition for us out here grinding every day!
Old 14th January 2009
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man o man

I have to pull a line from Hank Moody:
"[People] seem to be getting dumber and dumber. I mean we have all this amazing technology and yet computers have turned into basically four figure wank machines. The Internet was supposed to set us free, democratize us, but all it’s really given us is Howard Dean’s aborted candidacy and 24-hour a day access to kiddie porn, you know. And people don’t write anymore, they blog; instead of talking, they text; no punctuation, no grammar. LOL this and LMFAO that. You know it just seems to me that it’s just a bunch of stupid people psuedo-communicating with a bunch of other stupid people in a proto-language that resembles more what cavemen used to speak than the king’s English."

I've never interned. I didn't have any training in audio. Although I'm at a level where i think i would like to assist for a veteran engineer to start to master the craft. I have had a lot of full sail and conservatory grads assist for me and run to get me some wings!!
How did that happen? Not because i am a great engineer. A few of them actually taught me some things. Im professional when it comes to my work. It helps out a lot.
Old 15th January 2009
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Great info Ken.

Some of the most importaint times in my life were as a intern.

I took it very serious. Cleaning tape heads, MOD's, trashed studio's and control room, and of course the bathrooms....

Man Blunt fillings are the worst to clean up.

but if I didnt go through all that I would have NEVER met the people I did.

I think email and the net have made it easier for anyone to get at you.

When I was a intern I had to relocate, sleep on coaches, floors and in the studio, i remember waking up on the studio floor with 2 inch tape in my mouth... HAHAHAHAHAHA

but for real Ken is 100%. Its a job. Only the hungrey will survive.

o yea and Gearslutz is a great place to network too!!!!!! Plug Plug Tony!!!!!
Old 15th January 2009
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admit it though, in what other business do interns get sh*tted upon as much as in the studio recording industry?heh
Intern for a major Hollywood studio. One of my childhood buddies is an assistant director, so I get all the good dirt.
Old 15th January 2009
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Intern for a major Hollywood studio. One of my childhood buddies is an assistant director, so I get all the good dirt.
the fashion industry is the WORST i've seen.
Old 18th January 2009
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Great thread to read for someone who is interested in interning! (ME)
So far iv read a lot of does and dont about HANDELING a job. But for me the biggest question is HOW?
Do you guys have any tips or insights that might help?

Bond Seidel
Old 18th January 2009
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But for me the biggest question is HOW?
Do you guys have any tips or insights that might help?

Bond Seidel
"HOW" what? How do you land an internship? How do you keep an internship? How do you do a great job? What's the question?
Old 18th January 2009
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Sorry about that! I ment how to get the job as an intern. Seeing as you guys must go through this a lot, how do you/or studios in general go about finding and hiring a runner/intern?
And what would be some advice you would give to those crazy enough to attemptheh
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