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9th Wonder - Does this man have the worst mixes ever? Drum Machines & Samplers
Old 9th September 2007
  #31
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What I still find hard to understand is why there is so much bitching over this subject. Why do some of you care so much what the man is doing or using. Thats why he is out there doing his thing and making his dough off of doing music full time, and most of you here are not.

Stop watching what the man is doing, and grow up! Concentrate on what you need to do to contribute to the game and make a difference. If you think your opinion is that valuable, and you deserve to talk about how good or bad the man is doing his thing, than why dont YOU lead by example.

Too much threads are surfacing these days with ppl bitching about other ppl, whether it be someone out there on the music scene, or a moderator or other member on here. All you guys whining are just wasting your time. Come here and discuss **** like men, and if you got a problem with what 9th Wonder uses, and you think FL Studio is crap, show us some evidence on why you feel that way, and stop wasting your time. There is a difference between dropping knowledge or looking into an issue, and just bitching about it like a lil child. We dont learn anything from discussions like this because its only pure complaining back and forth, with no examples to back up as to why you think something, or someone is bad.

This thread belongs in the Moan Zone anyway......
Old 9th September 2007
  #32
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The poster sounds like an engineer arguing about music quality. Worst mixes ever? Hell no. Best mixes ever? Hell no! Writes **** so good people don't give a **** the mixes aren't spectacular? Double check on that one. People that dislike on 9th Wonder make me laugh. Dude has hot **** for days. Days! I could probably rock a house party for hours with **** done exclusively by 9th. Don't make me start listing songs. Dude uses the same damn drum samples and often even the same bass on practically every damn song he does. Dude uses a **** preamp and fruity loops too. And if I remember some of his **** gets mixed on a Behringer Eurorack. A Behringer son! He does hot **** all day with **** a lot of us wouldn't even touch. That's some impressive ****.

EDIT: Just look at this ****!

Gear list from Remix mag -

Computers, DAWs, recording hardware:
Dell Dimension 2650 computer
ViewSonic Professional Series PS 775 monitor
Consoles, mixers, interfaces:
Behringer Eurorack UB802 mixer
Samplers, drum machines, turntables, DJ mixer:
Technics SL-1200 turntables
Synths, modules, software, plug-ins, instruments:
Image-Line FL Studio 4 software
Syntrillium Cool Edit Pro 1.2 software
Mics, mic preamps, EQs, compressors, effects:
Apex 430 condenser mic
ART Tube MP mic preamp
Monitors:
Sony MDR-V600 headphones
SSK10ED Book Shelf Speaker
Old 9th September 2007
  #33
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Originally Posted by Oscar View Post
The poster sounds like an engineer arguing about music quality. Worst mixes ever? Hell no. Best mixes ever? Hell no! Writes **** so good people don't give a **** the mixes aren't spectacular? Double check on that one. People that dislike on 9th Wonder make me laugh. Dude has hot **** for days. Days! I could probably rock a house party for hours with **** done exclusively by 9th. Don't make me start listing songs. Dude uses the same damn drum samples and often even the same bass on practically every damn song he does. Dude uses a **** preamp and fruity loops too. And if I remember some of his **** gets mixed on a Behringer Eurorack. A Behringer son! He does hot **** all day with **** a lot of us wouldn't even touch. That's some impressive ****.

EDIT: Just look at this ****!

Gear list from Remix mag -

Computers, DAWs, recording hardware:
Dell Dimension 2650 computer
ViewSonic Professional Series PS 775 monitor
Consoles, mixers, interfaces:
Behringer Eurorack UB802 mixer
Samplers, drum machines, turntables, DJ mixer:
Technics SL-1200 turntables
Synths, modules, software, plug-ins, instruments:
Image-Line FL Studio 4 software
Syntrillium Cool Edit Pro 1.2 software
Mics, mic preamps, EQs, compressors, effects:
Apex 430 condenser mic
ART Tube MP mic preamp
Monitors:
Sony MDR-V600 headphones
SSK10ED Book Shelf Speaker
The only thing I'd want from that setup would be his turntables .

This just goes to show you the downside to being a Gear Slut.
Some Gear Slutz spend so much time fussing over gear that they forget all about making great music, and working on their skills for doing such to a higher degree.

Notice how some guys will comment on the fact that the music they made before getting all the new great gear sounds better and more inspired.
Fussing over gear distracts you away from working on your craft for making a great tune. Its great to make sure you are working with great tools to make sure you are not at a disadvantage, but when will enough be enough?
For a Gear Slut, that answer is never..... lol

At least not until you end up going bankrupt, or your girl/wife leaves you, and a storm comes and washes away your entire studio.
....And even then you'd probably just start everything over after that happens.
Old 9th September 2007
  #34
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Originally Posted by deuc647 View Post
Hating is such an over used word, if someone has an opinion about something and its negitive , someone is always hating, why? I personally think 9th wonder is ok at best, does that mean im hating or that i really just dont like it?
the problem is someone posting his damn PERSONAL opinion on something...talking bad bout 9th cause he don't like or just hate his success he gets with it.

everyone who shows me the same table of food ( productionlist ) gets my respect, everyone who just DONT LIKE OR HATE doesnt. there is work behind everything not just talking, hating blablabla.....

i thought this was the hiphop forum...where the word hater came from

peace

(this place gets strange )
Old 9th September 2007
  #35
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Originally Posted by lenscohen View Post

I mean apart from his appalling mixes, there is no dynamics in his drums at all. He just samples one kick and one snare from a old soul record - puts it on to Fruity Loops drum sampler and then thats it.

Compare him with someone like Dilla and you will see a huge difference. Dilla always samples multiples kicks and snares from records - although they sound similar, there are a lot of dynamics going on in his drums - which is why a lot of people say it sounds like he is using a real drummer.
well, again.....the difference is 9th has done it, is out there, get hate and love and his money....

Dilla was using real drums too!!! there are photos outthere, and i think he was a good drummer too! so he just didnt only sample....he was a very great musician and not only a mpc-beat-maker...bummbumm-tchak. he had a big arsenal of real instruments, so dont share half truths here.

bye
Old 9th September 2007
  #36
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Of course its sounds like sh-t. He uses FL Studio! FL Studio has the worst rendering engine on the planet plus the fact the guy doesn't know how to master for sh-t, you have the perfect combination for a terrible sound.
Lol FL renders to 32float wich means it sounds exactly like everything else.
Developers, and digital null tests have proven this too.
Let me repeat. Developers, and digital null tests have proven this too. lolol.

Wow hard to believe someone in 2007 can still blame software for sounding bad.

Don't see whats so wrong with 9th's mixes by the way. Perhaps people don't like his drums?
I heard better drums for sure, but thier far from bad.
Old 9th September 2007
  #37
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I been listening to a lot of this guys stuff after hearing he uses FL to produce his stuff. Something that hit me straight away after listening to the beat CDs was how incredibly bad his drums and mixes were.

It seriously sounds like he sampled 1 shot drums sounds from low bit-rate Mp3s and then looped them in Fruity Loops. The sound quality is just terrible. How do you guys rate 9th Wonder? To me, he could be one of the wackest producers in hip-hop.
I agree in 100%. And it's not about be or not to be a hater. If someone on the end of day sounds bad he sounds bad, and if it's becouse his gear sucks it's his problem not mine reason to love his work.

Nobody can say bad word about his music becouse his gruppies are everywhere and if you do that you are HATER.

He is FL Studio hero, ya'know..
Old 9th September 2007
  #38
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you joined today?
Ah then welcome to gs.
read the whole thread pls then you'll prob. understand what we're talking about and why I can't agree with an opinion like that.

"Nobody can say bad word about his music becouse his gruppies are everywhere and if you do that you are HATER.

He is FL Studio hero, ya'know.."
That's ignorant.
it's like everytime; show us your beats pls.
Old 9th September 2007
  #39
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you joined today?
Yeah, so? You are right becouse you have more posts? Pss..

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Ah then welcome to gs.
Hello.

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That's ignorant.
it's like everytime; show us your beats pls.
I think ignorant you was above with that all "ohh you just joined forum today?". And we are not talking about mine stuff but about 9th Wonder. I don't need be Dre or Premoo to talk about someones music.
Old 9th September 2007
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[quote=whitebudda;1486728]Yeah, so? You are right becouse you have more posts? Pss..
/quote]
That's what you say.

You say 9ths stuff sounds "bad" ,like that's a fact and we all don't want to see that because we are groupies and so on.

Aight ,so where is your reference?
Who are you to judge 9ths Sound and say it's "bad" ,remember you haven't said "I don't like it" you said "it's bad".

You don't want/can't to show us your productions but you claim you can judge other musicians like a music-professor?
Then you're a clown man.
I'll let this thread alone now.
Old 9th September 2007
  #41
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You say 9ths stuff sounds "bad" ,like that's a fact and we all don't want to see that because we are groupies and so on.

Yeah and if you don't hear maybe your are deaf? With all your posts here? "See? I have more posts, my ickd is bigger!" And yeah, I said that. Nice to meet you too.

You are music forums guru with your 300 posts.

Aight ,so where is your reference?
Who are you to judge 9ths Sound and say it's "bad" ,remember you haven't said "I don't like it" you said "it's bad".


It's normal to me to think when I'm say'n something I don't need to write "IMO" after every post, but maybe I should?

You don't want/can't to show us your productions but you claim you can judge other musicians like a music-professor?

Well let's say I'm just listener, mkay? You probably are mastering specialists, right? And you think his mixes and mastering are good? Nice! Do you have many clients?

Then you're a clown man.
I'll let this thread alone now.


Are you >12 years old?
Old 9th September 2007
  #42
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a point

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Originally Posted by lenscohen View Post
I just don't understand

I mean this guy 9th Wonder is probably a millionaire many times over, and he is still using FL studio and an Art Tube. Is he just lazy or so ******** he doesn't know how to step up his game. I remember when Just Blaze first came out, he sorta had that low quality [mp3/9th wonder] sound, then he actually invested in some decent equipment - and look at him now, his stuff is nearly on the same level as Dre.
I have no idea who he is, got to be honest, but from what I am hearing here, if the guy is a full time teacher and does it for love like people are saying, then maybe, somehow, he is making a point. Even if he is not doing it conciously it should makes us think. It's about being a milionare, of course for a big chunck of people it is about that. Stupid to say that here but, It is not about the gear,it is NOT ! Not everybody is a gearslut. Some other people have better stuff to do.
Things like people you know,or the vibe of your beat, or who you work with makes a much bigger difference.
Old 9th September 2007
  #43
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threads like these........
Old 9th September 2007
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this is a thread tony should close immediately, cause it's pile of steaming hot garbage.
Old 9th September 2007
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I think you are TOTALLY wrong with that assumption.
I doubt that. Maybe you're missing my point.



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......Don't let this place make you think any of this high priced gear is essential. Nothing is critical.....you think Grandmaster Flash had an SSL!?!?.......

Also, I think a lot of this super produced stuff coming out these days is NOT the stuff of legend. In ten years my Pharcyde records will still be cherished and those 50 Cent records will be forgotten even though they may "bang" or have outstanding "low end" or whatever phrase people use to describe a million dollar budget project..................
O.K., this is how I know you missed my point. I'm not talking about crap songs that sound "good". I'm talking about great songs that sound great and how many people DO give a **** about that.
I think it's obvious to everyone that a great song is still great even if it's not a great sounding mix. The combination of great songs and great mix/production is VERY powerful.

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The hungrier artists will always make the best art because they HAVE to. I often sit in my 10,000$ studio and miss the days of just messing around with a Roland sampler and turntables. I made some of my best stuff back than and it was simple to work through. I would never go back but I don't kid myself that any of this newer gear has opened up new doors for me. I still ain't making any real money with this ****. I am still just as talented as I ever was which is to say I am definately no Mozart.
I have worked with many "hungry" artists and many established artists [including most of the artists you listed in this post] and in my opinion there is no direct correlation between between the total cost of the studios they work in and the quality of their work. Great sounding productions can come from a bedroom or a million dollar studio. You made the suggestion that people don't give a **** about great sounding productions as long as the song is good. I disagree, and I think most artists would too that's why so many of them spend so much attention and effort trying to make their productions extraordinary ].

If you think you were better off with a sampler and a turntable maybe you should consider going back to that.
Old 9th September 2007
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Just for the record, I agree with everything the Masterer said...



Now, to put this one to bed.

Old 9th September 2007
  #47
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i agree about 9th wonders mixes soundin like crap

he's got a good ear for sample melodies, actually a great ear

he should give a better producer those sample melodies so they can make the track instead of him

then maybe we wouldn't get lame drums and robotic beat movements that sound like ****ty mp3's
Old 9th September 2007
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Originally Posted by tonyscarbones View Post
i agree about 9th wonders mixes soundin like crap

he's got a good ear for sample melodies, actually a great ear

he should give a better producer those sample melodies so they can make the track instead of him

then maybe we wouldn't get lame drums and robotic beat movements that sound like ****ty mp3's
why? if he has such a great ear for it maybe if anything upgrade his signal chain. It simply doesn't make sense to just stop because a couple of people don't like the audio quality. He is trying to emulate a particular sound and I think most will agree that software doesn't do a great job of emulating that era. I like 9ths beats but I agree they are stiff I blame that on step sequencing not FL. If he really wanted to he could go out and get a midi controller but thats how he chooses to work and hes gettin paid from it. Let him do him. While we are here talking **** about him I bet he is making more tracks, more moves, and more money.
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