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Old 6 days ago
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Buying an Akai S900?

Hey whats up
I am a huge fan of dirty, gritty samples (stuff like Damu the Fudgemunk, Klaus Layer especially). I have a question for anyone who has owned a Akai S900 or similar 12 bit sampler like the yamaha TX16W or one of the Roland 12 bit samplers. Does putting drum samples from records in to these machines really give it characteristcs that are tough to match with software? Or does it just mainly roll off a lot of the high end? The reason I ask is because I have an MPC 1000 that is just sitting around kinda collecting dust at the moment that I am considering selling to get a S900 if it would be worth it. I also just really like hardware and think it would be fun using it too but they go for $800ish plus right now and I am wondering if that classic sound is more the quality of the actual samples themselves rather than the processing done by a 12 bit machine? Hope this makes sense and I appreciate any help!
Old 6 days ago
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Originally Posted by Fergstramental ➡️
Hey whats up
I am a huge fan of dirty, gritty samples (stuff like Damu the Fudgemunk, Klaus Layer especially). I have a question for anyone who has owned a Akai S900 or similar 12 bit sampler like the yamaha TX16W or one of the Roland 12 bit samplers. Does putting drum samples from records in to these machines really give it characteristcs that are tough to match with software? Or does it just mainly roll off a lot of the high end? The reason I ask is because I have an MPC 1000 that is just sitting around kinda collecting dust at the moment that I am considering selling to get a S900 if it would be worth it. I also just really like hardware and think it would be fun using it too but they go for $800ish plus right now and I am wondering if that classic sound is more the quality of the actual samples themselves rather than the processing done by a 12 bit machine? Hope this makes sense and I appreciate any help!
Id go for a S950 over a S900 - more memory backward compatible with S1000 - more features.
Second If you have a MPC 1000 I would keep it to control the S950

I’ve owned a MPC 1000 and I currently own a S950
There is a sonic difference between the two especially
If you sample at lower resolutions on the sampler Combined with 12 bit and analog filters - But people expect the results to be more pronounced than they actually are, the S9xx can actually sound quite smooth if you want it to
Old 6 days ago
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Originally Posted by Fergstramental ➡️
Hey whats up
I am a huge fan of dirty, gritty samples (stuff like Damu the Fudgemunk, Klaus Layer especially). I have a question for anyone who has owned a Akai S900 or similar 12 bit sampler like the yamaha TX16W or one of the Roland 12 bit samplers. Does putting drum samples from records in to these machines really give it characteristcs that are tough to match with software? Or does it just mainly roll off a lot of the high end? The reason I ask is because I have an MPC 1000 that is just sitting around kinda collecting dust at the moment that I am considering selling to get a S900 if it would be worth it. I also just really like hardware and think it would be fun using it too but they go for $800ish plus right now and I am wondering if that classic sound is more the quality of the actual samples themselves rather than the processing done by a 12 bit machine? Hope this makes sense and I appreciate any help!
Sampling drums from vinyl does add to this element dependent on how you process your drums. The sound of the machine is also a factor. Damu and Klaus grit on their drums sounds like they are processed and then sampled from the E-mu SPs to the MPC.

Yes the Akai S900 or S950 will provide some textures to the samples, however it will not give you exactly what you hear from the two producers you referenced.

Here's a video example giving you an idea of how processing drums through the S900 adds some textures. See if that is good enough for you. If so than I say go for it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbjPxbIwU6o&t=362s

Here are some features that the Akai S-950 has in comparison to the S-900. For those interested.
•Maximum sampling rate increased from 40kHz to 48kHz
•RAM capacity increased from 750kb to 2.25MB
•Max number of samples/programs increased from 32 to 99
•Functions added (cross-fade looping, pre-trigger recording and time-stretch)
•Can take both HD and DD
Old 5 days ago
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Hell yea thanks guys. Im going to check that video out and see what I think. I would definitely go for the S950 if it wasnt so much more expensive/ hard to find (I see 1 on Reverb for about $2000.)

Also what do you guys think about the s900/950 vs the RX950 Plugin or the new SP950 Plugin, both of which are modeled after the old machines? Are those pretty similar? Kinda curious to see if someone has done any comparisons
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Hell yea thanks guys. Im going to check that video out and see what I think. I would definitely go for the S950 if it wasnt so much more expensive/ hard to find (I see 1 on Reverb for about $2000.)

Also what do you guys think about the s900/950 vs the RX950 Plugin or the new SP950 Plugin, both of which are modeled after the old machines? Are those pretty similar? Kinda curious to see if someone has done any comparisons
I’ve found that both of the those plugins are useful for when I’m may not be around a S900 or S950. If you are looking to add some texture to the samples ITB. Another plus is the convenience to just add to the fx chain for any sounds you have in the beat on your DAW. The price point of both plugins a reasonable as well. I’d say they are good emulation from a filter stand point, but there’s more to the S900 or S950 then just the filters.

Some users workflow wise just don’t have the patience to take the time to discover some useful overlooked features that the S900/950 provide that those two plugins are not equipped to do.
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its more sampling from records than it is the machine
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It's more than just sampling from vinyl records. The grit textures on the drums that's consistent with the producers that Fergstramental mentioned I'd believe E-mu SP's machines play a key role.

Heres some examples:
Listen to textures of the drums simply sampled from vinyl into the MPC2000: https://youtu.be/wXOGcpcsQJ8?t=364


Listen the drum textures from the E-mu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvdtVMBZ_Qg

Listen to the textures of these drums: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5lmYspN9hY&t=121s

Listen to textures of these drums:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFua7lgljr8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MW50rzKckQ
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It's more than just sampling from vinyl records. The grit textures on the drums that's consistent with the producers that Fergstramental mentioned I'd believe E-mu SP's machines play a key role.

Heres some examples:
Listen to textures of the drums simply sampled from vinyl into the MPC2000: https://youtu.be/wXOGcpcsQJ8?t=364


Listen the drum textures of from the E-mu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvdtVMBZ_Qg

Listen to the textures of these drums: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5lmYspN9hY&t=121s

Listen to textures of these drums:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFua7lgljr8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MW50rzKckQ
brother...i have had every drum machine from sp1200, mpc60 up until octatracks, mpc live, ones , analog rytm... lol (in my avi you can see my first drum machine -synsonic drums! and a tempest!). i had the classic 1200/900 setup for years

i didnt say it was ONLY records. i said a BIGGER part of the sound is the records.

madlibs last couple records were made on an IPAD

its not the machine, its primarily the taste of the USER
Old 4 days ago
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I love those videos hahaha. I thought that sh*t was crazy too when I heard Madlib made that Freddie Gibbs album on an ipad haha, crazy... Those machines do seem just to do something awesome to the sound of those drums tho haha
Old 4 days ago
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i used to have the 700/900 and then the 950

good luck with going back to that screen !!! your going to get a neck ache looking down at that !!!

I have the samplex emulation now - https://www.beatskillz.com/shop/samplex-v2/

I cant hard sell the 900 as man its a real fiddlely machine - tap tap here tap tap there - but hey maybe you will do something brilliant with it
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I would say to you if you are just looking for the filter sound of the 900 - try out beatskillz x as i thought it sounds similar - i dont have the 900 to put alongside

also does all the bit reduction depths - https://www.beatskillz.com/shop/samplex-v2/
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I love those videos hahaha. I thought that sh*t was crazy too when I heard Madlib made that Freddie Gibbs album on an ipad haha, crazy... Those machines do seem just to do something awesome to the sound of those drums tho haha
they do color the sound for sure...

but go sample from Cd with a s900 and then sample the same song from vinyl on an mpc live/one and tell me which one sounds closer to the classic hip hop sound.
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Madlib's Bandana is cool for the iPad but I don't think "grit" wise it competes with Madlib's SP work on Quasimoto -The Unseen.
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Madlib's Bandana is cool for the iPad but I don't think "grit" wise it competes with Madlib's SP work on Quasimoto -The Unseen.
Got to love Psycho Les
https://youtu.be/Apt3RTtI4pk?t=501
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Madlib's Bandana is cool for the iPad but I don't think "grit" wise it competes with Madlib's SP work on Quasimoto -The Unseen.
he didnt use sp404 for (or any sp) unseen. sp came out after unseen
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he didnt use sp404 for (or any sp) unseen. sp came out after unseen
SP1200
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SP1200
right... gotta specify Sp when talking about madlib lol

and again dont take me wrong...i agree with psycho sp1200/s900/s950 is THEE classic hip hop setup

but dudes on the innanet talking bout a s900 that they gonna plug youtube rips through...NAH
Old 3 days ago
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My bad yeah when I was mentioning SP in this thread I was referring to the SP-12 and SP-1200.


"The type of machine definitely has something to do with your sound" -J Dilla https://youtu.be/AZCW96QdsVc?t=1219
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"The type of machine definitely has something to do with your sound" -J Dilla https://youtu.be/AZCW96QdsVc?t=1219
key word is something. baby face,dr. dre and teddy riley mpc usage sounds nothing like primo and dilla

qtip and pete rock used the same machines and all the same records (tribes-midnight and pete rock cl smooth - the main ingredient) and i feel like those beats have a totally different feel.

dilla donuts don’t sound like madlibs use of the small rolands....

sample source and user taste are the preeminent variables

teddy and then sound different on mpcs because of the sources.

pete sounds different from tip. dre sounds different from preem. this is taste.

the r&b guys all demonstrate the machines can sound clean. kashif used an sp1200 for crying out loud
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too many limitations with the old 900.

those tiny screens.....

people attribute the sound of early hip hop to 12 bitt sampling, but more of the sound came from Tape.

sampling off tape was common. i used to do it, and everyone else did too, in the late 80s early 90s.

add the 12 bit sampler in mono....
Old 2 days ago
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Star Wax
Interview Audio Engineer Jamey Staub (2011) pg 8& 9 :


What were your first impression of the SP1200?

“I think it was 12 bit, so the quality was low, but I think that is a big part of what added to the sound of HipHop” -Jamey Staub

Let’s Skip ahead to your experience working with Pete Rock.

“I learned to keep the sound dirty, but also to balance it with some hit quality - without making it Twinkly” - Jamey Staub


Pete Rocks Return of the SP1200 was released in 2019 mixed also by Jamey Staub this particular project was not tracked to tape but what still remains SP1200 sound:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVy6sAzSo1c


Lewis Parker on the sound of the SP1200: https://youtu.be/8GZ4PDj3sIw?t=950
Old 1 day ago
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the bridge, eric b is president, make the music wit your mouth biz is THEE classic hip hop sound in MY book. none of those were made with an sp1200. they all were made with the “impeach the president” breakbeat though
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I would say to you if you are just looking for the filter sound of the 900 - try out beatskillz x as i thought it sounds similar - i dont have the 900 to put alongside

also does all the bit reduction depths - https://www.beatskillz.com/shop/samplex-v2/
ok dope man i've never heard of this i will definitely check this out, thanks



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Originally Posted by BIG BUDDHA ➡️
too many limitations with the old 900.

those tiny screens.....

people attribute the sound of early hip hop to 12 bitt sampling, but more of the sound came from Tape.

sampling off tape was common. i used to do it, and everyone else did too, in the late 80s early 90s.

add the 12 bit sampler in mono....
I was thinking about getting a little portastudio too haha, i've heard recording on to the tape a little hot can do some cool things to the sound
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