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is 808 Bass or Kick ?
Old 16th September 2020
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is 808 Bass or Kick ?

Besides the obvious that 808 is roland tr-808 drum machine. But When people talk about the “808”, like mixing 808 track etc, do they mean the 808 kick ? Or the tuned 808 kick that’s used as Bass ? And when using tuned 808 Bass, is there a need for a kick or 808 is Bass and kick in one ?
Old 16th September 2020
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These days it usually means the bass part which is layered with another kick.
Old 16th September 2020
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...When people talk about the “808”, like mixing 808 track etc, do they mean the 808 kick ? Or the tuned 808 kick that’s used as Bass ?...
For "bass lines," I'd say 99% of the time they're talking about tuned 808 toms. That's where the sustaining sub bass came from.


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...And when using tuned 808 Bass, is there a need for a kick or 808 is Bass and kick in one ?
Though not a "rule," it's most common to combine it with a punchy/transient kick drum for maximum definition.
Old 16th September 2020
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Modern music isn't using 808 toms. They're not even using real 808s. It's just become a name for a decaying sub bass hit, you can use any synth to make one (or drop a sample in a sampler). But everyone still calls them 808s.

If you're using samples (from Splice, etc.) Sometimes they do have a kick at the start, sometimes it's just the bass part. If it has a kick, you could also just chop it off and use your own kick. A lot of times the kick and 808 aren't even playing the same pattern.
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Today, any subby bassline that more or less follows the kick pattern is typically called an "808." Bear in mind that virtually none of the beatmakers these days actually knows what a TR808 drum machine is. (That's not a diss; just demonstrating how the term has become detached from it's roots.)
Old 16th September 2020
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Thank you guys for the answers you’ve been very helpful
Old 16th September 2020
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Modern "808" kick-follower may be as well a two or three sine synth additionally overdriven.
Old 22nd September 2020
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Besides the obvious that 808 is roland tr-808 drum machine. But When people talk about the “808”, like mixing 808 track etc, do they mean the 808 kick ? Or the tuned 808 kick that’s used as Bass ? And when using tuned 808 Bass, is there a need for a kick or 808 is Bass and kick in one ?
It’s magic
It’s both
Old 22nd September 2020
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bolth.
Old 3 weeks ago
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what happens quite a bit at the mo is the kick (eg. Spinz / Rack Kick ) is in on top of the TR-808 bass drum (as the sub) on the Verses......and drops out in the choruses , leaving just the 808 playing ....or vice versa


it makes quite a nice dynamic in a track......where the kick comes back in gives the track a nice extra bump.


Alex Tumay and Kenny beats go on about side chain compression being wrong ....personally....a dynamic eq over the 808 , with the side chain being fed from the kick....and only scooping out the exact frequencies that are in the kick......fast attack/fast release (to Precisely match the duration of the kick )

...thats the sauce imo

..so id say use them both...but learn how to manipulate them hz -wise
Old 3 weeks ago
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Today, any subby bassline that more or less follows the kick pattern is typically called an "808." Bear in mind that virtually none of the beatmakers these days actually knows what a TR808 drum machine is. (That's not a diss; just demonstrating how the term has become detached from it's roots.)
+1 to this. The majority of so called 808 bass samples and patches aren't even made from pitched 808 kicks anymore and are more likely to be kick drum layered with a decaying sinewave oscillator and some drive/distortion.

People call them 808s for short but they're often not an actual pitched 808 kick anymore since they're all samples and the origin of how each sample was made is unknown.
Old 1 week ago
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I agree it usually is just a substitute for something with a lot of bass, I generally dont like that substitution as people will refer to something as an 808 when its just a big sub bass with a long decay that may or may not have been derived from a real 808 and sampled. I hate this sort of oversimplification but also understand why it exists. Im a nerd about synths samplers and drum machines so the details matter, but for those that dont care about this, '808' is a big bass sound is probably fine...
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