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Old 1 week ago
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What's the Point of Making Hip Hop Anymore

First off I want to say that I love producing music and recording. However, lately I feel like what's the point anymore. If you look on Youtube, music videos get the lowest engagement compared to lame videos like talk shows, top 10 lists, and animal videos. The average music video gets $16k views. Only a small top tier group of artists get millions of views.

I see Hip Hop groups putting out amazing music with incredible videos getting 10k views. Music sales are all but dead and streaming pays next to nothing anymore. People don't seem to appreciate music - especially the younger generations. Everyone who has a laptop thinks they can make amazing beats. Everyone thinks they can rap but the truth is only a small elite can actually do it at a top tier level.

I love making music just to do it but I also do it to see some feedback and appreciation for all your efforts. Musicians like interacting with others and watching what they create have an impact. Now, even albums like Pete Rock's SP1200 album is all but ignored except for a small select few.

So I ask - what is the point anymore if people don't care, people barely listen (even to well known groups - IE. Erick Sermon's latest album), and devote their time to other things outside of music.

Yes, you can make your own music and do it for your own ego but I enjoy doing it so people get enjoyment out of it and like seeing the interaction. If some of the best artists can't even demand attention, why bother anymore?
Old 1 week ago
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Originally Posted by smccarthy945 View Post
First off I want to say that I love producing music and recording. However, lately I feel like what's the point anymore. If you look on Youtube, music videos get the lowest engagement compared to lame videos like talk shows, top 10 lists, and animal videos. The average music video gets $16k views. Only a small top tier group of artists get millions of views.

I see Hip Hop groups putting out amazing music with incredible videos getting 10k views. Music sales are all but dead and streaming pays next to nothing anymore. People don't seem to appreciate music - especially the younger generations. Everyone who has a laptop thinks they can make amazing beats. Everyone thinks they can rap but the truth is only a small elite can actually do it at a top tier level.

I love making music just to do it but I also do it to see some feedback and appreciation for all your efforts. Musicians like interacting with others and watching what they create have an impact. Now, even albums like Pete Rock's SP1200 album is all but ignored except for a small select few.

So I ask - what is the point anymore if people don't care, people barely listen (even to well known groups - IE. Erick Sermon's latest album), and devote their time to other things outside of music.

Yes, you can make your own music and do it for your own ego but I enjoy doing it so people get enjoyment out of it and like seeing the interaction. If some of the best artists can't even demand attention, why bother anymore?
It sounds maybe like your question is a commercial question? Well, suppose there was no way for any person alive to hear your music besides you, would you still make music? Not trying to trap you here, genuinely curious and there's no wrong answer. I know lots of musicians who only enjoy playing with others, jamming, song circles, playing with other musicians in bands, gigging, etc. They treat music like how some people treat golf, a means to connect with others and have a good time. While others may view creating music as an extension of themselves and who they are, creating is a part of them and what they want to do with their lives.
Old 1 week ago
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First off I want to say that I love producing music and recording. However, lately I feel like what's the point anymore. If you look on Youtube, music videos get the lowest engagement compared to lame videos like talk shows, top 10 lists, and animal videos. The average music video gets $16k views. Only a small top tier group of artists get millions of views.

I see Hip Hop groups putting out amazing music with incredible videos getting 10k views. Music sales are all but dead and streaming pays next to nothing anymore. People don't seem to appreciate music - especially the younger generations. Everyone who has a laptop thinks they can make amazing beats. Everyone thinks they can rap but the truth is only a small elite can actually do it at a top tier level.

I love making music just to do it but I also do it to see some feedback and appreciation for all your efforts. Musicians like interacting with others and watching what they create have an impact. Now, even albums like Pete Rock's SP1200 album is all but ignored except for a small select few.

So I ask - what is the point anymore if people don't care, people barely listen (even to well known groups - IE. Erick Sermon's latest album), and devote their time to other things outside of music.

Yes, you can make your own music and do it for your own ego but I enjoy doing it so people get enjoyment out of it and like seeing the interaction. If some of the best artists can't even demand attention, why bother anymore?
who is erick sermon
Old 1 week ago
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Originally Posted by smccarthy945 View Post
I love making music just to do it but I also do it to see some feedback and appreciation for all your efforts. Musicians like interacting with others and watching what they create have an impact. Now, even albums like Pete Rock's SP1200 album is all but ignored except for a small select few.

So I ask - what is the point anymore if people don't care, people barely listen (even to well known groups - IE. Erick Sermon's latest album), and devote their time to other things outside of music.

Yes, you can make your own music and do it for your own ego but I enjoy doing it so people get enjoyment out of it and like seeing the interaction. If some of the best artists can't even demand attention, why bother anymore?
Indeed getting plays and feedback in this day age is hard for almost everyone other than those top few % who manage to take off for one reason or another, (not always due to talent of course!).

Even though I love making beats just for the sake of making beats, there was a time a couple of years ago where it got a little frustrated by not having many people hear and feedback on them once i'd released as I wanted to know if other people were enjoying them as much as I me and know if i'd made some positive connections with my art and put back a little into the ocean of music i've got so much from in the last 25 years.

One of the very best things i've done since to improve that situation is join an active beat battle community which means there's always a notable group of people who are happy to listen and feedback each week, and overall it's really nice to have that social element as part of the whole experience rather than just making and sending beats into the 'void'.

Plus it's a weekly beat battle so there's the fun element of competing and everyone is super chill and supportive, plus we set up battle rules/themes that push us out our comfort zones to challenge us beat making wise which I know i've found so valuable developmental wise.

There's loads of beat battle communities out there to choose from, but if you are interested in checking out ours it's at stbbforever.com

Until late last years it was Stones Throw forum's very long running beat battle (now in it's 9th year), so when they shut their forum down we migrated it to a one. Would be great to see any of your guys there.
Old 1 week ago
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I think most people just aren't buying music anymore, it's easier to get it at no cost online. If/when people start buying music again, that might save it. Otherwise, for newer artists, the future is bleak as far as making any income off your recordings.
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I think most people just aren't buying music anymore, it's easier to get it at no cost online. If/when people start buying music again, that might save it. Otherwise, for newer artists, the future is bleak as far as making any income off your recordings.
Oh yeah making money from making music is dead for almost everyone. The money is all in performance unless you are one of a few lucky few, and even then, it's only a tiny percentage of performers who are ever going to make a lot of money.

Just gotta make it for the love rather than the money however you can.
Old 1 week ago
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So I ask - what is the point anymore if people don't care, people barely listen (even to well known groups - IE. Erick Sermon's latest album), and devote their time to other things outside of music.

Yes, you can make your own music and do it for your own ego but I enjoy doing it so people get enjoyment out of it and like seeing the interaction.
This seems to be your own personnel problem. The best artist (painters, musicians) do their art for their own personnel pleasure gratification, not for someone else's.

They do not do it for their Ego and they do not do crave reactions from others, like you. They do it for the love of it.

You should do things you love and do not do just do things to get reactions from others to feed your ego.

That's my 2 cents
Old 1 week ago
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This seems to be your own personnel problem. The best artist (painters, musicians) do their art for their own personnel pleasure gratification, not for someone else's.

They do not do it for their Ego and they do not do crave reactions from others, like you. They do it for the love of it.

You should do things you love and do not do just do things to get reactions from others to feed your ego.

That's my 2 cents
CJ gets it. Hell I rarely even release anything I finish anymore, I could care less if people hear it or not these days. But I know if I didn't have the means to create it I would lose it and go nuts. No matter how old or involved with music I get, I still have that itch to make it, whether I want anyone to hear it or not. Its a compulsion that's just there, it doesn't exist to serve anyone but me and damn right Im gonna keep feeding it! :D
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CJ gets it. Hell I rarely even release anything I finish anymore, I could care less if people hear it or not these days. But I know if I didn't have the means to create it I would lose it and go nuts. No matter how old or involved with music I get, I still have that itch to make it, whether I want anyone to hear it or not. Its a compulsion that's just there, it doesn't exist to serve anyone but me and damn right Im gonna keep feeding it! :D
Yeah if that 'itch' (I know exactly what you mean btw!), is primarily or entirely for the buzz of the feedback from listeners rather than actually making the music then it's time to give up IMO.
Old 6 days ago
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You make Hip Hop because you love it. You don't do it for the paycheck, you do it because you want to make great music.

You don't like all the new stuff they consider Hip-Hop these days? You make Hip-Hop that you think is better because you love it and you think you can do it better than those folks.

Some folks don't care if their music ever sees the light of day, but I on the other hand believe what's the point of making music if people aren't going to hear it?

You make music because listening to music is enjoyable and therapeutic, and the stuff you write about might help someone else out that is going through the same things or something similar.

You make music because it brings people together.

You make music because it's a fun way to meet friends and have a D measuring contest to find out who's better at making beats or rapping all in good fun.

And the list of reasons to make Hip-Hop or any type of music really, goes on and on.
Old 4 days ago
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Artists make art because they have to. There's something deeply internal and intrinsic inside of them that needs to be expressed artistically. beyond that, it becomes a matter of politics.
Old 4 days ago
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Old 3 days ago
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The plus point on making beats for fun or love of art is that you no longer have the headaches of commercial things like clearing samples, struggles with label control on music releases or enforced to produce music genre you don't like. You are completely free with the creation process so you can define your own limits.
Old 3 days ago
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Stop making beats and start making music. Make records/recordings as artistic statements. Find some artists and complete projects. Make music that speaks to something in you. If you don't like the music that's out, make what you would make if you had a global audience. Make what you think is missing. If there's an artist you do like, make what you'd make if you were competing with him/her directly. Get with some like minded people who want to make a similar creative statement. Pick up an instrument, learn to play something you haven't, (drums/guitar/piano, anything musical that's new to you. I don't care if it's a kazoo. Push yourself toward something new.

Make good music with people you like being around and between the group of you, you'll find an audience even if you have to grow it one person at a time.

Outside of the artistic side, create projects/products that you think are worth something. Create what you think has monetary value. Create what YOU would spend money on (And be honest with yourself about the value of it.)

Become better than you are and meet with others who are like minded.

You will be putting yourself in position for something to happen.

I disagree with the notion that the Ego is separate from the artist. Some of the best artists I've met have huge egos.
Old 3 days ago
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Stop making beats and start making music. Make records/recordings as artistic statements. Find some artists and complete projects.
^THIS!!! I still do NOT understand this method of thinking heh. My girlfriends kid is big into this, he got Logic Pro and everything a couple years ago and started digging into it.. His sole concern is 'The Beat'. I hear him looping his 4 bar section over and over and over and over and never moving beyond that one block. Its like me when Im coming up with a single sequence in my MPC only, they never move past that first sequence. The actual rapping and delivery take a back seat to 'the beats' and when they finally do step up to the mic jeezsus, they're usually terrible and barely have any sense of rhythm whatsoever. I keep telling him he needs to start digging into the why and how of music or he's just going to keep running in this terrible circle because he doesn't know what to do next. When I set my stuff up after I moved in, he was shocked at 'is all that bass coming out of those little speakers??' Uh yeah theyre monitors, he had no clue what those were, as he's got friends bringing him random subwoofers and PA speakers to listen to his music out of heh. He looked at one of my mixes and mentioned that he didnt even know how to use his plugins and was tripping out at all the comps and eqs I had open.

Its like its just the cool thing to do nowadays. I mean being a musician always was but now with everything so easily available, its not like you're the ONE guy that could afford a guitar in school anymore. Now everybody has one, whether theyre good or not, its just what it is. You're either going to have a vision you want to make happen, or you're just one of those people that's only doing it because its the cool thing to do, and you're never going to get anywhere with it because music is NOT instant gratification. Good luck returning all that dj gear and whatnot you bought at Guitar Center six months ago when you get bored with it.
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^THIS!!! I still do NOT understand this method of thinking heh. My girlfriends kid is big into this, he got Logic Pro and everything a couple years ago and started digging into it.. His sole concern is 'The Beat'. I hear him looping his 4 bar section over and over and over and over and never moving beyond that one block. Its like me when Im coming up with a single sequence in my MPC only, they never move past that first sequence. The actual rapping and delivery take a back seat to 'the beats' and when they finally do step up to the mic jeezsus, they're usually terrible and barely have any sense of rhythm whatsoever. I keep telling him he needs to start digging into the why and how of music or he's just going to keep running in this terrible circle because he doesn't know what to do next. When I set my stuff up after I moved in, he was shocked at 'is all that bass coming out of those little speakers??' Uh yeah theyre monitors, he had no clue what those were, as he's got friends bringing him random subwoofers and PA speakers to listen to his music out of heh. He looked at one of my mixes and mentioned that he didnt even know how to use his plugins and was tripping out at all the comps and eqs I had open.

Its like its just the cool thing to do nowadays. I mean being a musician always was but now with everything so easily available, its not like you're the ONE guy that could afford a guitar in school anymore. Now everybody has one, whether theyre good or not, its just what it is. You're either going to have a vision you want to make happen, or you're just one of those people that's only doing it because its the cool thing to do, and you're never going to get anywhere with it because music is NOT instant gratification. Good luck returning all that dj gear and whatnot you bought at Guitar Center six months ago when you get bored with it.
ABSOLUTELY!!!

The level of musicianship and comprehension of any sort of theory has declined exponentially, and perhaps because music and the arts, in general, are often never required or even taught at all in some schools means that the general listening public also has a similar lack of comprehension of music which engenders that cycle to continue and be acceptable.

On the other hand, there are some music genres like modern progressive metal where the complexity and musicianship can certainly approach that of classical.
Old 2 days ago
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ABSOLUTELY!!!

The level of musicianship and comprehension of any sort of theory has declined exponentially, and perhaps because music and the arts, in general, are often never required or even taught at all in some schools means that the general listening public also has a similar lack of comprehension of music which engenders that cycle to continue and be acceptable.

On the other hand, there are some music genres like modern progressive metal where the complexity and musicianship can certainly approach that of classical.
That's true about the teaching of music in education i think.A lot of them fast metal heads probably learned classical music when they were younger.And then rebelled with there guitars
Old 1 day ago
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That's true about the teaching of music in education i think.A lot of them fast metal heads probably learned classical music when they were younger.And then rebelled with there guitars
Yep. Dropped school band when I started high school and got my first guitar haha.
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