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Pete Rock - Return of the SP1200
Old 11th June 2019
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Yeah, not everyone's process is entertaining. I know mine isn't. My finger drumming is getting decent, but my keyboard skill is enough to come up with parts, teach them to myself & record versions that need editing.

It takes me some hours to put a sketch together as well. I admire folks who can put together a nice track fairly quickly.
You already did a great song by sampling a part and put a drum loop on top which is basicly what a lot of our beloved favorite producers did when they created their most famous beat. This take 10 minute .

The problem is that we ( and Im sure youre in the same boat ) always end up overcomplicating things...comparing and thinking '' Oh, I need to layer a bass behind that sample '' when all the '' pro'' would have done is put a LPF on a sample phrase and layer right under and mix to taste.

When I read articles or look at interviews and see that so many of my favorite beat were actually just a sample from a vinyl with nothing added on top but a freakin Pultec eq on the bass to make the Kick and bass pop out, sometime I wonder why I spend hours on the same beats haha.

I guess ill never learn my lesson and keep on procrastinating :P
Old 11th June 2019
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You already did a great song by sampling a part and put a drum loop on top which is basicly what a lot of our beloved favorite producers did when they created their most famous beat. This take 10 minute .

The problem is that we ( and Im sure youre in the same boat ) always end up overcomplicating things...comparing and thinking '' Oh, I need to layer a bass behind that sample '' when all the '' pro'' would have done is put a LPF on a sample phrase and layer right under and mix to taste.

When I read articles or look at interviews and see that so many of my favorite beat were actually just a sample from a vinyl with nothing added on top but a freakin Pultec eq on the bass to make the Kick and bass pop out, sometime I wonder why I spend hours on the same beats haha.

I guess ill never learn my lesson and keep on procrastinating :P
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Old 12th June 2019
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I think any video of making a beat from scratch just needs to be properly edited. I can create a simple beat/loop fairly quickly (at times), but nowadays I spend A LOT of time mixing, and probably as much time listening through old records to dig for samples, as well as tons of trial and error trying to mix and match disparate samples together (which also usually entails a lot of boring technical work—chopping, time-stretching, re-pitching, editing, etc.).

What I was thinking in terms of "fleshing out" my instrumentals is sort of along the lines of Digable Planets - Blowout Comb. I mainly want some different players (including myself) to add in little snippets that I can then loop and manipulate, and likely make them sound like they're aged/from vinyl. Nothing too extravagant or busy, other than perhaps a little solo here and there.

I just recently set this up maybe a couple weeks ago; it has a few newer beats mixed with some older stuff, but you can get an idea:

https://soundcloud.com/user-32844373
Old 12th June 2019
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I think any video of making a beat from scratch just needs to be properly edited. I can create a simple beat/loop fairly quickly (at times), but nowadays I spend A LOT of time mixing, and probably as much time listening through old records to dig for samples, as well as tons of trial and error trying to mix and match disparate samples together (which also usually entails a lot of boring technical work—chopping, time-stretching, re-pitching, editing, etc.).

What I was thinking in terms of "fleshing out" my instrumentals is sort of along the lines of Digable Planets - Blowout Comb. I mainly want some different players (including myself) to add in little snippets that I can then loop and manipulate, and likely make them sound like they're aged/from vinyl. Nothing too extravagant or busy, other than perhaps a little solo here and there.

I just recently set this up maybe a couple weeks ago; it has a few newer beats mixed with some older stuff, but you can get an idea:

https://soundcloud.com/user-32844373
Def got that Lofi vibe on the first one Viva2. Is that Bill Evans ?

Oh yes, definitely got that Lo fi vibe on the second one as well.

Well...all of them it seems haha.

I love it. But your drums are banging way harder then those chillhop youtube channels. Not sure where you're going there but they all feel like apropriate instrumentation for a Chill hop album but the drums are just a notch under a rap fist pumping banger.

I feel that vibe .
Old 12th June 2019
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Def got that Lofi vibe on the first one Viva2. Is that Bill Evans ?

Oh yes, definitely got that Lo fi vibe on the second one as well.

Well...all of them it seems haha.

I love it. But your drums are banging way harder then those chillhop youtube channels. Not sure where you're going there but they all feel like apropriate instrumentation for a Chill hop album but the drums are just a notch under a rap fist pumping banger.

I feel that vibe .
Thanks, man—I def appreciate it. I've never considered it particularly "lo-fi", but it's definitely intentionally "analog" sounding, and I avoid anything specifically digital sounding. I've never heard of "chill-hop", but honestly, I don't really keep up to date with contemporary hip-hop at all or really intentionally listen to modern stuff; I just basically do what I do, and never think about it. I am, however, a huge fan of older trip-hop, but my main influences are 90's Premier, Beatminerz, Pete Rock, Mobb Deep (The Infamous), Tribe, Digable Planets, Tricky's Maxinquaye and misc. jazzy **** in general (that probably shows to some degree). And no, not Bill Evans, I'm fairly sure it's actually a live Eberhard Weber track.

And yeah, just listening through the tracks I posted, I realized most of them have a BPM under 80 (even down in the 60s-70s at some points!), so they're really not orientated towards being anthems in any sense! In any case, as I said previously, I'm thinking I'd like to really start taking those instrumentals to another level, where they can genuinely stand on their own without an MC—I live in the DEEP SOUTHWEST (New Mexico), so it's ridiculously difficult to find rappers here that are even remotely decent or have any interest in sample-based hip-hop—there's literally one dude here that's dope as hell, but we've just never gotten the chance to work together. Thanks again for the kind words! Peace.
Old 12th June 2019
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—I live in the DEEP SOUTHWEST (New Mexico), so it's ridiculously difficult to find rappers here that are even remotely decent or have any interest in sample-based hip-hop—there's literally one dude here that's dope as hell, but we've just never gotten the chance to work together. Thanks again for the kind words! Peace.
You can always hire one of your favourite MC for a 16 bar and make the dream of the kid inside you come true. I saw you mentioned beatminerz. I guess you’re a huge BCC fan just like me. Heard one of them ( my favourite ) doing a fb live the other day saying that a low baller tried himself on him for a full blown songs for 500 when , as I remember he said “that’s half the price for a 16”.

So there, you could get a fire verse for 1k ......and only monsters spite fire (pun intended )
Old 12th June 2019
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You can always hire one of your favourite MC for a 16 bar and make the dream of the kid inside you come true. I saw you mentioned beatminerz. I guess you’re a huge BCC fan just like me. Heard one of them ( my favourite ) doing a fb live the other day saying that a low baller tried himself on him for a full blown songs for 500 when , as I remember he said “that’s half the price for a 16”.

So there, you could get a fire verse for 1k ......and only monsters spite fire (pun intended )
You know what, I might just have to do that! If you checked my tracks, there's one with Steele from Smif-n-Wessun on one of them
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You know what, I might just have to do that! If you checked my tracks, there's one with Steele from Smif-n-Wessun on one of them
He’s not the one I was mentioning but none the less he come across as a good men and I mean......he’s Steele !!

Do it man !

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He’s not the one I was mentioning but none the less he come across as a good men and I mean......he’s Steele !!

Do it man !

No ****ing doubt, man, that's a great idea. And I have some darker tracks that I bet Smif-N-Wessun would likely enjoy guesting on! That would be insane! Just need to figure out how to contact them It makes me think—I would LOVE to produce something for them, or any BCC affiliates. That really would be a dream come true.
Old 12th June 2019
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On a side-note, I figured I ought to mention that I got to see Pete Rock DJ live in Albuquerque, NM a couple of years back—it was a tiny club so it was insanely loud, but it was ridiculous—he played nothing but classics and then a random Wu-Tang member (I don't remember who it was—i was super drunk) came out and busted out a few verses. Pretty amazing experience, though. Unfortunately, my ex-girlfriend has the live video of it...
Old 12th June 2019
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On a side-note, I figured I ought to mention that I got to see Pete Rock DJ live in Albuquerque, NM a couple of years back—it was a tiny club so it was insanely loud, but it was ridiculous—he played nothing but classics and then a random Wu-Tang member (I don't remember who it was—i was super drunk) came out and busted out a few verses. Pretty amazing experience, though. Unfortunately, my ex-girlfriend has the live video of it...
RIP Epic video.
Old 12th June 2019
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By the way, I dont think you should limit yourself to dark tracks.

When they released their best album to date ( To me ) The All like 2 months ago, I remember Tek saying that all producers refer to them as trying to make the next Sound Bwoy Burriel while they were saying that this sort of beat could never be done again, they were younger, it was another era for them.
If you listen to the new The All album, it doesnt sound as dark. They are mature men reflecting on mature men being raised in a neighborhood harder then most of us including me for sure. So I can seriously relate to the experience and lessons they share for a lot of their bars.
I'm sure both MC are still more then capable of rhyming bragging bars like there's no tomorrow but I also think ( based on their latest album ) that they know where their crowd is at, and thats just me and you...mature men usually with families to take care and loan to pay.

So my whole point was, dont worry about dark or not dark tracks, they have many many tracks that are not dark in their latest album.

I really hope you'll be able to make your dream of having one ( or both ) SnW members on one of your track come true soon.

Keep me posted.

EDIT : I dont think they will cost what the other guy is asking tho. Just wanted to put that out there in case you come back disapointed by a x5 quote. ( I seriously dont have a single clue what their quote is for a 16 )
Old 23rd June 2019
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Why not create your own sound or a new sound using the new DAWs and software that’s out now instead of going back to an SP 1200. I don’t like this album and I think Pete Rock has been lame for the last two or three instrumental album he’s done because all he does is loop the same sounds over and over. It’s boring.

Even if you’re doing loop bass production these days there’s so much you can do to change the loops up chop them up or make them sound different using a daw. I can take a loop in Ableton and make it sound 500 different ways.

Been super disappointed with PRs stuff lately. It sounds dated. Pete Rock is the type of guy who never learned computers and the new technology and is still producing like it’s the 90s. Yea, I respect trying to go back to the sp1200 but load the stuff into a DAW and do something new with it.

I am a Pete Rock fan but I am not going to dissolution myself and say this dude is producing great material when it’s not that good.

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Old 23rd June 2019
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Why not create your own sound or a new sound using the new DAWs and software that’s out now instead of going back to an SP 1200. I don’t like this album and I think Pete Rock has been lame for the last two or three instrumental album he’s done because all he does is loop the same sounds over and over. It’s boring.

Even if you’re doing loop bass production these days there’s so much you can do to change the loops up chop them up or make them sound different using a daw. I can take a loop in Ableton and make it sound 500 different ways.

Been super disappointed with PRs stuff lately. It sounds dated. Pete Rock is the type of guy who never learned computers and the new technology and is still producing like it’s the 90s. Yea, I respect trying to go back to the sp1200 but load the stuff into a DAW and do something new with it.

I am a Pete Rock fan but I am not going to dissolution myself and say this dude is producing great material when it’s not that good.
I can totaly understand why someone would be more interested in other genre. There's nothing bad about it. I also understand why you would prefer Computer music before warm artifacted digital sampler music.

I dont think there's nothing wrong with wath Pete is doing right now. I'm into it so of course it catches my interest and like anybody that is really into something, you always love to have the real original elements to build a result as faithful as it can be.

The other day, there's a guy on another thread that shared a youtube channel dedicated to a bot creating Death Metal music based on algorythms. The bot is creating 24hr/7days a week of original Death metal material.

I personnally thought that was a genius idea as I'm really not into Death Metal but if I was a fan , I'd be so disapointed that the core of my music can be replicated artificialy...because to me, it sounded genuin ( remember, I dont have a trained ear for death metal because i dont really love that genre of music ).

Now I havent met a metal head since but I wouldnt be surprised that he would tell me that the algorythm still need some tweaking for it to sound realistic.

My point is, that is also my stance on the Hardware vs Computer music.

I remember when I bought a 8 in 8 out converter to expand my setup about 5 years ago, the guy was a composer for classical orchestra and I remember he also had this opinion about computer base orchestra vs hiring a full orchestra to play Soundtracks for the movie he was hired to compose for.

Its a very divided world but maybe because I'm sourrounded by so many professional, there seems to be a concensus amongst pprofessional that the real thing always sound better then the emulation.

Of course its debatable and I'm sure a kid will soon put out a great Trap album all made on his Huawai or his Samsung phone and people will swear its way better because of multiple reason.

On another subject, I had my favorite ceviche in Lima, in Peru. I tried doing it here in Montreal and replaced the Aji amarillo with mexican pepers and the Limon byt the Lime we have here. It wasnt even quite as good....but im very picky on details.
Old 24th June 2019
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By the way, I dont think you should limit yourself to dark tracks.

When they released their best album to date ( To me ) The All like 2 months ago, I remember Tek saying that all producers refer to them as trying to make the next Sound Bwoy Burriel while they were saying that this sort of beat could never be done again, they were younger, it was another era for them.
If you listen to the new The All album, it doesnt sound as dark. They are mature men reflecting on mature men being raised in a neighborhood harder then most of us including me for sure. So I can seriously relate to the experience and lessons they share for a lot of their bars.
I'm sure both MC are still more then capable of rhyming bragging bars like there's no tomorrow but I also think ( based on their latest album ) that they know where their crowd is at, and thats just me and you...mature men usually with families to take care and loan to pay.

So my whole point was, dont worry about dark or not dark tracks, they have many many tracks that are not dark in their latest album.

I really hope you'll be able to make your dream of having one ( or both ) SnW members on one of your track come true soon.

Keep me posted.

EDIT : I dont think they will cost what the other guy is asking tho. Just wanted to put that out there in case you come back disapointed by a x5 quote. ( I seriously dont have a single clue what their quote is for a 16 )
Actually the bigger issue is that I'd never be able to afford to clear all of the samples I use, just in one track. It would be an absolute nightmare.
Old 24th June 2019
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Actually the bigger issue is that I'd never be able to afford to clear all of the samples I use, just in one track. It would be an absolute nightmare.
Then just dont clear them and release your track. If you dont have a label or a company with big incomes, no one will ask their 2000$ /hour lawyers to come sue you for your uncleared sample on a ALBUM that MIGHT have made 5000 copies if youre lucky.

5000 x 10$ profit , divided by 20 tracks ( their share of the uncleared sample at max ) thats 2500$.

So a 2000$ process to gain a profit of 500$.

Nah man, sorry, that just doesnt work like that.

Dont worry about that BS, just release your track then you can see later when youre so famous you have actually something to lose.

Sample clearance are NOT a one time price thing ( only in very few occasion ) .
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No one is going to bother you with samples unless you are making money. Put the track out and if it ever takes off you can negotiate it out. I used to sample quite a bit but don’t anymore because it’s never a one time fee. You have to give up publishing and pay additional fees for show usage etc. if you want to use the music in commercials forget about it.

I tell people to stay away from samples as much as possible these days.
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I think any video of making a beat from scratch just needs to be properly edited. I can create a simple beat/loop fairly quickly (at times), but nowadays I spend A LOT of time mixing, and probably as much time listening through old records to dig for samples, as well as tons of trial and error trying to mix and match disparate samples together (which also usually entails a lot of boring technical work—chopping, time-stretching, re-pitching, editing, etc.).

What I was thinking in terms of "fleshing out" my instrumentals is sort of along the lines of Digable Planets - Blowout Comb. I mainly want some different players (including myself) to add in little snippets that I can then loop and manipulate, and likely make them sound like they're aged/from vinyl. Nothing too extravagant or busy, other than perhaps a little solo here and there.

I just recently set this up maybe a couple weeks ago; it has a few newer beats mixed with some older stuff, but you can get an idea:

https://soundcloud.com/user-32844373
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Why not create your own sound or a new sound using the new DAWs and software that’s out now instead of going back to an SP 1200. I don’t like this album and I think Pete Rock has been lame for the last two or three instrumental album he’s done because all he does is loop the same sounds over and over. It’s boring.
bro ur hating cos dude aint following trends? his sound has been timeless and is already 25 years deep and peeps will play his **** in another 20 years.

while these fads u want to see him pursue will be gone; also he only has three official instrumental albums and they all classic, and dude loops and chops so not sure how u say its boring if the beat is good, thats like saying that playing the rhodes is boring and that they should use a different instrument.


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Been super disappointed with PRs stuff lately. It sounds dated. Pete Rock is the type of guy who never learned computers and the new technology and is still producing like it’s the 90s. Yea, I respect trying to go back to the sp1200 but load the stuff into a DAW and do something new with it.

I am a Pete Rock fan but I am not going to dissolution myself and say this dude is producing great material when it’s not that good.
bro ur hating people dont want anything technical done it seems ur over valuing doing technical **** but music is not always about that sometimes its just simply does is sound good does it feel good where as u are evaluating music based on how difficult is was to make rather than how it sounds.
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To be fair, I find composing 2019 pop trap easier then composing on a 90's digital sampler and sequencer out of vinyl samples.

Maybe someone can prove me wrong.

I personally dont feel the trap groove AT ALL but im not of the purist that look down on people using Ableton or Fruityloop.

I certainly prefer the limitation and handling of an old sampler/sequencer then using my mouse but it definitely involve more patience, planning, creativity to come to what youre into at the begining of a project. Sometime it even turn out to be completely different, sometime its just plain bad and sometime its greater then you thought it was. I guess it might be because I dont fully control my instrument and the limitation which also play a big part of that great adventure of crate digging and arranging a song.

I can understand why someone would not feel Pete Rock ,Premier, Alchemist or No I.D. and I dont feel its unjustified as its only a matter of taste.

There's also a lot of music I dont like and it ( me not liking it ) never start from how its created but how it come out.

And as you grow in knowing more about your gear, there's phases where you look up on your influences ( Pete, Preemo or any true school sampling dude ) and think what they do is really nothing that special....and in other occasion, you wonder how they can do that so consistently.

There's also beats from Permier and Pete Rock that I sometime find super wack....that doesnt mean it shouldnt be released tho. Its just their perspective of their art form and im down with that....like let the process flow and build your thing how you want to build it no matter what people will say.

Just do you.
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To be fair, I find composing 2019 pop trap easier then composing on a 90's digital sampler and sequencer out of vinyl samples.

Maybe someone can prove me wrong.

I personally dont feel the trap groove AT ALL but im not of the purist that look down on people using Ableton or Fruityloop.
I don't make trap, and avoid listening to it the best I can. But I'm curious why you think it's easier. I think most electronic, groove based music is easier today because of all the cheat codes & tech advances.

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I certainly prefer the limitation and handling of an old sampler/sequencer then using my mouse but it definitely involve more patience, planning, creativity to come to what youre into at the begining of a project. Sometime it even turn out to be completely different, sometime its just plain bad and sometime its greater then you thought it was. I guess it might be because I dont fully control my instrument and the limitation which also play a big part of that great adventure of crate digging and arranging a song.
I personally like the middle ground. I bang on pads & keys but work in a DAW (MPC and/or Logic) and use VSTs extensively. I dig the tactile control of pads & keys and the control given by playing/programming most of my stuff. I only touch my mouse if I can't do that thing from an instrument/controller.

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I can understand why someone would not feel Pete Rock ,Premier, Alchemist or No I.D. and I dont feel its unjustified as its only a matter of taste.

There's also a lot of music I dont like and it ( me not liking it ) never star from how its created but how it come out.
Agreed! I couldn't care less how, unless I'm watching a vid of someone creating. Then I want to see something interesting. Otherwise, if it sounds good, who cares how they got there. I do wonder if it's fun drawing music with a mouse though.

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And as you grow in knowing more about your gear, there's phases where you look up on your influences ( Pete, Preemo or any true school sampling dude ) and think what they do is really nothing that special....and in other occasion, you wonder how they can do that so consistently.

There's also beats from Permier and Pete Rock that I sometime find super wack....that doesnt mean it shouldnt be released tho. Its just their perspective of their art form and im down with that....like let the process flow and build your thing how you want to build it no matter what people will say.

Just do you.
Agreed! Though I dig boom bap, nowadays I'm only into it when the producer/musician get's more creative. I'm more interested in songs, not as interested in loops. I need change ups... verse, hook, bridge, breakdown, something. I can't listen to 3 minutes of a loop any more, especially if it's instrumental. That's where this latest PR release missed me.

Sometimes folks release what they think folks will feel. Sometimes their experimenting and hope folks will follow. But sometimes artists simply have bills to pay and release whatever. Following PR over the years, this sounded like the latter.
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I don't make trap, and avoid listening to it the best I can. But I'm curious why you think it's easier. I think most electronic, groove based music is easier today because of all the cheat codes & tech advances.
Because I tried because an old friend of mine came here a few months ago living in my guest room and he was so fawked up by the broke up with his babies mama and all the trial about family violence and what not that he started connecting up with all the peeps he knew back in the days and wanted to make music so it work and its accessible so he convinced me to try to do a trap pop song and it took me about 2 hours ( to create the instrumental but a few days to simply go accross the genre and find the details that I might have been missing) and it was done and over. I thought the experience was borring and really drained my juice and enthusiasm about creating music. The result was half decent and I was ashamed for the people doing it as it was so easy to replicate as it really is a specific groove and format. There was of course some very isolated case where they pushed the genre a bit in different direction but the core of the vibe was really not energizing to me.


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I personally like the middle ground. I bang on pads & keys but work in a DAW (MPC and/or Logic) and use VSTs extensively. I dig the tactile control of pads & keys and the control given by playing/programming most of my stuff. I only touch my mouse if I can't do that thing from an instrument/controller.
I mix Hybrid but I dont integrate any other elements then recorded vocals or recorded scratch from my Daw. There's something that is happening with my old gear that, to me, give me a signature of my own that i'm still developing.



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Agreed! Though I dig boom bap, nowadays I'm only into it when the producer/musician get's more creative. I'm more interested in songs, not as interested in loops. I need change ups... verse, hook, bridge, breakdown, something. I can't listen to 3 minutes of a loop any more, especially if it's instrumental. That's where this latest PR release missed me.

Sometimes folks release what they think folks will feel. Sometimes their experimenting and hope folks will follow. But sometimes artists simply have bills to pay and release whatever. Following PR over the years, this sounded like the latter.
I'm not into over complicated beats most of the time. And when i do, I simply listen to my 70's soul records or some Neo Soul type of stuff like The Internet or Anderson Paak stuff type of music. It might be because I dipped in the house / Tropical bass music for a moment but a great 4 bar is just inspiring without needing to much attention. Kind of a meditating trance or something where you could do any type of activity without necessarely paying too much attention and have a smile on your face. I like those type of beat tapes where you get 30 beat of 1:30 sec each. Some badly grainy dirty snippet of 20 seconds. Little vocal interlude here and there. Thats what I'm into.

But I do remember enjoying Common Electric Circus a lot ....but that was the summum of Hip hop when there was a thing called the Soulquarians.

Of course, thats only my take on the situation and I understand anyone can get something different out of it.

EDIT: My favorite part of all this, I think, is crate digging. Discovering new old music. Musicians...history behind it. Way they recorded it.

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...and it took me about 2 hours ( to create the instrumental but a few days to simply go accross the genre and find the details that I might have been missing) and it was done and over. I thought the experience was borring and really drained my juice and enthusiasm about creating music. The result was half decent and I was ashamed for the people doing it as it was so easy to replicate as it really is a specific groove and format. There was of course some very isolated case where they pushed the genre a bit in different direction but the core of the vibe was really not energizing to me.
The same could be said about boom bap, maybe many styles with today's tools. There's a guy on Youtube with a series called Two Hour Cues or something. He does orchestral stuff. Not long tracks, nothing too complex, but more complex than trap or boom bap.

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I'm not into over complicated beats most of the time. And when i do, I simply listen to my 70's soul records or some Neo Soul type of stuff like The Internet or Anderson Paak stuff type of music. It might be because I dipped in the house / Tropical bass music for a moment but a great 4 bar is just inspiring without needing to much attention. Kind of a meditating trance or something where you could do any type of activity without necessarely paying too much attention and have a smile on your face. I like those type of beat tapes where you get 30 beat of 1:30 sec each. Some badly grainy dirty snippet of 20 seconds. Little vocal interlude here and there. Thats what I'm into.
I guess complicated is relative.

Some of those beat tapes are cool. Madlib has some good ones with short tracks like that. I can get with loopier tracks when they're shorter.

You hit on something though. I'm an active listener. Other than going to sleep to music, I'm typically paying close attention. I'm sure that shapes my preferences.

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But I do remember enjoying Common Electric Circus a lot ....but that was the summum of Hip hop when there was a thing called the Soulquarians.

Of course, thats only my take on the situation and I understand anyone can get something different out of it.
EC was cool, though it is my 2nd least favorite joint from Common.

Yeah, the Soulquarians were my cup of tea.
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The same could be said about boom bap, maybe many styles with today's tools. There's a guy on Youtube with a series called Two Hour Cues or something. He does orchestral stuff. Not long tracks, nothing too complex, but more complex than trap or boom bap.
I dont know about that. I could bring a list of at least 500 different drum break , let alone drum programming itself. Boom bap is not a specific rythm or tempo but like House (surely less then house but still ), its a groove thing and often it has been reinvented. At least, thats where I'm at as we speak.


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I guess complicated is relative.

Some of those beat tapes are cool. Madlib has some good ones with short tracks like that. I can get with loopier tracks when they're shorter.

You hit on something though. I'm an active listener. Other than going to sleep to music, I'm typically paying close attention. I'm sure that shapes my preferences.
Yeah, I go to sleep on classical music...mather of fact, I love myself a good drama movie every night and fall asleep in the introduction when it get so emotional and musically complex.

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EC was cool, though it is my 2nd least favorite joint from Common.

Yeah, the Soulquarians were my cup of tea.
Yet it was their most complicated joint musicaly over D'angelo's one.

I think my favorite part about that whole True-school thingy is the crate digging part. I really enjoy the whole history, culture and universe it brings you into. Once you take a plonge, its hard to surface without substantial kowledge benefit. Of course that could be said about many genre but the fact that Boom bap is composed mostly of other peoples work in sample, it really make you insterested in a lot of different music and you end up paying a veru close attention to subtility in others work because it changes how you work out your own creation out of those .4 sec samples.

But I'm guilty of being a 4 bar golden loop. I dont know....its just such a satisfying moment when you find those big chunk that make you want to listen to it on repeat.
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I dont know about that. I could bring a list of at least 500 different drum break , let alone drum programming itself. Boom bap is not a specific rythm or tempo but like House (surely less then house but still ), its a groove thing and often it has been reinvented. At least, thats where I'm at as we speak.
I think when you're heavily into something, you notices & appreciate the difference more. To the uninitiated, breaks don't sound very different from each other; just a syncopated 4/4 beat. I'm sure a trap producer/listener hears as much difference in trap drums, especially if they're not into boom bap.

And let's not talk about how many boom bap songs use the bread & butter pattern.

I will say trap's percussion soundscape is limited. But the patterns hold their own vs boom bap regarding variety.

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...Yet it was their most complicated joint musicaly over D'angelo's one.
Definitely more complex, and out there. I just didn't connect with it as much as his other stuff.

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I think my favorite part about that whole True-school thingy is the crate digging part. I really enjoy the whole history, culture and universe it brings you into. Once you take a plonge, its hard to surface without substantial kowledge benefit. Of course that could be said about many genre but the fact that Boom bap is composed mostly of other peoples work in sample, it really make you insterested in a lot of different music and you end up paying a veru close attention to subtility in others work because it changes how you work out your own creation out of those .4 sec samples.
Agreed! I don't sample much, but I have a lot of records.

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But I'm guilty of being a 4 bar golden loop. I dont know....its just such a satisfying moment when you find those big chunk that make you want to listen to it on repeat.
4 bars is not THAT bad for me, especially with a good arrangement... drop the bass in & out, the drums, filter the sample in sections, etc. Going back to Return of the SP, too many 1 & 2 bar loops with little to know creativity in the arrangements.
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I think when you're heavily into something, you notices & appreciate the difference more. To the uninitiated, breaks don't sound very different from each other; just a syncopated 4/4 beat. I'm sure a trap producer/listener hears as much difference in trap drums, especially if they're not into boom bap.

And let's not talk about how many boom bap songs use the bread & butter pattern.

I will say trap's percussion soundscape is limited. But the patterns hold their own vs boom bap regarding variety.
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right when the beat starts. that high-pitched whine:

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