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Loudness wars?
Old 1 week ago
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Loudness wars?

As a producer, do I really need to make my beats loudness similar to mainstream tracks?

Personally, I don't because I think my mix sounds wayyyy better the way I'm doing it now. You can hear a hard hitting kick. Dynamics are nice, etc.

IDK... I think my mixes sound better than mainstream records... and a lot of other music. BUT it's definitely not nearly as loud, which kinda sucks I guess. If it was in the same ball park I wouldn't mind. But if you play my beat, for example, on a TV after streaming DJ Esco and Future's Kolorblind, please believe you will need to turn it up about 12 volume notches. (At least on my TV)

Is this ok?
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You need to be in the same general ballpark. The problem is that you don't know what an artist is going to play your beat on. Often it's just their phone with earbuds, or little computer speakers and there's only so much amplification some of those things can provide. You run the risk that they turn the volume up to the max and it's STILL not loud enough to really evaluate. As well, many of these cheap devices can provide more amplification than the speakers can handle and if you have peaks hitting close to zero but the average volume is 6dB lower than most everything else, then by the time they turn your beat up loud enough, those peaks are beyond what the speaker (and sometimes the amplifier) can handle and those peaks will distort heavily.

I'm not saying be the loudest thing out there. You lose a lot of audio quality doing that. I'm just saying, be in the ballpark. 2dB quieter than other mainstream stuff is something that really won't be noticed by the typical listener. There's more than 2-3dB variance among commercial releases and I don't even know audio engineers who drive around in their cares constantly adjusting the volume knob to compensate.
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On small devices my stuff sounds GREAT. I mix purposely to make em sound great on the iPhone and such. Bc like you said I’m thinking majority of these artists play back on the iPhone. But if you hook it up to a TV or something, you going to hear how quiet it really is.

Or maybe my Tv speakers are just really ass and can’t play a dynamic track for nothing.
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Technically, that should be left to a mastering engineer, in which case, I wouldn't worry about it.

But I'm definitely old-school in the sense that I prefer records that aren't limited and smashed into bricks.

I love subwoofers and bass-heavy records, and you really have to have some dynamic range for there to be a lot of bass—the more **** gets limited and compressed, the more your bass frequencies get attenuated while the higher frequencies get accentuated.
Old 6 days ago
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Technically, that should be left to a mastering engineer, in which case, I wouldn't worry about it.
I think sending beats to a mastering engineer would be absolute overkill and cost prohibitive.
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I didn't mean having tracks mastered before they're shopped out or ready for release. In that case, yeah, overkill.
Old 5 days ago
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As a mastering engineer, I prefer the way you are doing it now. Leaving headroom and dynamic range so "the mastering engineer" can set the sonic qualities where they should be.

I've done hundreds of "mix the beat with the vocal jobs" and with most of the beats they leave enough room for the mastering engineer. Some of the beats are about 80% mastered, but there's still room for me to finalize the song. It's very rare to get a beat that's over-level, distorted, way too much bass, etc. They do a pretty good mix job with the beats.
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