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30 years ... Microphone Fiend Kick Drum?
Old 9th February 2017
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30 years ... Microphone Fiend Kick Drum?

I have been trying to replicate the 808/909 ish kick from that song since 88. There isn't enough to sample it. It's probably my favorite kick drum of all time. I've been hoping to read about how that sound was achieved back then.

Does anyone know anything about it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPfIIn5V_LQ

Very interested to hear about the theories.
Old 9th February 2017
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Might be an 808 BD with distortion, reverb and further processing.
Old 9th February 2017
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There isn't enough to sample it.
Seems to be wide open at the end of the album version, here it is on its own --
http://sndup.net/9f87/MicFiend+kick.wav

And here with the rest of the drum sounds --
http://sndup.net/7ny5/MicFiend+drums.wav
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Wouldnt be surprised if its an SP12 stock sound, drenched in reverb
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Seems to be wide open at the end of the album version, here it is on its own --
http://sndup.net/9f87/MicFiend+kick.wav

And here with the rest of the drum sounds --
http://sndup.net/7ny5/MicFiend+drums.wav

I've tried to sample that since 88, but the kick cuts off too quickly before the snare comes in. The snare sound probably gives the drum machine away. I don't know what snare that is.
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Wouldnt be surprised if its an SP12 stock sound, drenched in reverb
That's a pretty good guess, being that marley had some production on the first album and the sp's were in abundance back in the late 80s in new york.

The only thing about the 808 theory is that the attack and Q on the front sounds almost like a 909 kick drum.
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As I was looking through my other threads...I guess I asked the same question 10 years ago back in 2007. Sorry, I searched but didn't see it. Here is the original..: https://www.gearslutz.com/board/rap-...one-fiend.html
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what about an overcompressed pitched Tom or Timpani?

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Wouldnt be surprised if its an SP12 stock sound, drenched in reverb
Yeah didn't sound like an 808 to me. What ever it is it sounds like some verb. Saw Rakim live late last year. When Mic Fiend came on I remember saying to myself, that kick is like no other.
Old 11th February 2017
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what about an overcompressed pitched Tom or Timpani?

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I like that theory. Could be. I think if we decode where the snare is from we get the correct answer.
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The snare reminds me of:

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The 808 layer is definitely a separate sample because if you listen close at 0:24 seconds in, the 8th note before the verse starts you can hear it naked, like 0000 said sounds like it was over driven to the max, with all frequencies cut over 300hz

I think peterpiper0815 is close (the main layer), it could also have been pitched down an octave - I could've sworn Scott Storch was doing similar things on LeanBack+ Ja Rule ClapBack

I could be hearing things, but the tail end of the 808 seem to be gliding upwards in pitch like Humpty Dance?
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So I listened to the SP kits of the original disks, found a Tom sample from the ZD504 Standard Traps floppy that sounded promising and played around a bit (pitched down and add a lopass filter with an envelope matching the SP1200 filter on output 1/2 and compressed the ish out of it with a limiter). Thats what came out.




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Old 13th February 2017
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So I listened to the SP kits of the original disks, found a Tom sample from the ZD504 Standard Traps floppy that sounded promising and played around a bit (pitched down and add a lopass filter with an envelope matching the SP1200 filter on output 1/2 and compressed the ish out of it with a limiter). Thats what came out.




peace
Nice try

Thanks for sharing.
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So I listened to the SP kits of the original disks, found a Tom sample from the ZD504 Standard Traps floppy that sounded promising and played around a bit (pitched down and add a lopass filter with an envelope matching the SP1200 filter on output 1/2 and compressed the ish out of it with a limiter). Thats what came out.




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That's pretty damn close if you ask me...
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I've tried to sample that since 88, but the kick cuts off too quickly before the snare comes in. The snare sound probably gives the drum machine away. I don't know what snare that is.
It's is definitely a distorted 909 snare with some reverb. I'm guessing so is the kick.
Old 14th February 2017
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You might want to ask Mark the 45 King. I've seen him respond on YT before.

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There have also been rumours about Mark The 45 King working behind the scenes on much of the "Follow The Leader" sessions.

the producer confirmed he did the beat for "Microphone Fiend" which he created with Fab Five Freddy in mind. 45 King also ended up doing a remix of the song which appeared on the single release of the song the same year.
The Lost Tapes: Eric. B & Rakim production mysteries

https://www.youtube.com/user/markhjames
Old 17th February 2017
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I don't know why, but I'm not thinking it was an SP. I used to own an SP12 Turbo. Somehow I just don't see it. I could be wrong. Honestly it almost sounds like a tuned tom from the yamaha RX5 or 7. BTW I asked 45 king on youtube. A client of mine is doing a show next week with Rakim, I'm going to try to get that question to him.
Old 19th February 2017
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I don't know why, but I'm not thinking it was an SP. I used to own an SP12 Turbo. Somehow I just don't see it. I could be wrong. Honestly it almost sounds like a tuned tom from the yamaha RX5 or 7. BTW I asked 45 king on youtube. A client of mine is doing a show next week with Rakim, I'm going to try to get that question to him.
Keep us posted.
Old 13th July 2019
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I'm still looking for this....That SP tom sound is probably the best candidate. Where can I find the waves of the ZD504 Standard Traps?
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I'm still looking for this....That SP tom sound is probably the best candidate. Where can I find the waves of the ZD504 Standard Traps?
I’ll look to see if I have them handy.
Old 13th July 2019
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In a Marley Marl interview, he said he often put 808s or (I think SSL 4000) board-generates synth tones under sampled kicks.

Marley supposedly also started with the inexpensive Korg sampler (DDD-1? forgot the name), which, if I recall, offered onboard samples and/or samples available through cards, in addition to user-supplied samples.
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