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R&B records everyone should know
Old 7th August 2002
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R&B records everyone should know

I know that this is kind of an easy fix, but since the "Records everyone should know" thread is getting so long, I though it might be easier to start a new one.

I gather that a fairly large number of guys on this forum are dealing with contemporary R&B and dance stuff (an area I'm sadly deficient in knowledge about), so tell me - what should I listen to if I want to hear either the historically important or incredibly good sounding R&B and dance records?

The stuff that I have includes "The "Complete Stax/Volt Singles Collection", a 27 CD set that is exactly what it claims to be. This would include all of the Otis Redding, Sam and Dave, Rufus Thomas, Barkays, Markeys, and Isaac Hayes singles, as well as a whole bunch of other folks I can't remember right now. An alternative would be the Complete Atlantic Rhythm And Blues Collection, which not only includes a bunch of the Sax catalog, but the Aretha singles. There's probably also a Motown box set that I should buy.

Besides those, what else do y'all think I need to know? (obviously a lot, since the sets I have generally don't even include the late 70's, much less anything beyond that).
Old 7th August 2002
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Quincy Jones - Back on the Block (if there ever was an album you could buy with your eyes closed, this is it!)

There is a great compilation called "New Orleans Funk" on Soul Jazz Records. Simply fantastic!

/Mats
Old 7th August 2002
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James Brown!

James Brown. Just get the box set "Star Time" and be done with it! Check out how many killer tunes JB cut over the years!! Goddamn right he's the Godfather of Soul, and he was the hardest working man in show business. He toured incessantly.

JB started out with old soul ballads but fell into his funk groove soon after. And the man could sing a soul ballad just as well as he could scream, dance, and jump around! YEEEEOWW!!

You can't be without at least the 20 song greatest hits album (I don't remember the working title), but if you really want to understand the roots of most funk, hip hop, rap, and many (though not nearly as much as the other styles) R&B grooves, look no further than JB. It can all be traced back to him.

There's nothing you can do about this tut. Just go get it if you don't have it.

1. Please, Please, Please
2. Why Do You Do Me
3. Try Me
4. Tell Me What I Did Wrong
5. Bewildered
6. Good Good Lovin'
7. I'll Go Crazy
8. I Know It's True
9. (Do the) Mashed Potatoes, Pt. 1
10. Think
11. Baby, You're Right [Alternate Take][#]
12. Lost Someone
13. Night Train
14. I've Got Money
15. I Don't Mind [Live]
16. Prisoner of Love
17. Devil's Den
18. Out of the Blue [Alternate Take][#]
19. Out of Sight
20. Grits
21. Maybe the Last Time
22. It's a Man's Man's Man's World
23. I Got You
24. Papa's Got a Brand New Bag, Pts. 1-3 [Complete Take][#]

Disc: 2
1. Papa's Got a Brand New Bag, Pt. 1
2. I Got You (I Feel Good)
3. Ain't That a Groove
4. It's a Man's Man's Man's World
5. Money Won't Change You [Complete Version][#]
6. Don't Be a Dropout [Unedited Version][#]
7. Bring It up (Hipster's Avenue) [Unedited Version][#]
8. Let Yourself Go [Unedited Version][#]
9. Cold Sweat
10. Get It Together
11. I Can't Stand Myself (When You Touch Me), Pt.1
12. I Got the Feelin'
13. Licking Stick-Licking Stick
14. Say It Loud (I'm Black and I'm Proud)
15. There Was a Time [Live]
16. Give It up or Turn It Loose
17. I Don't Want Nobody to Give Me Nothing (Open up the Door I'll Get It)

Disc: 3
1. Mother Popcorn
2. Funky Drummer
3. Get Up (I Feel Like Being A) Sex Machine
4. Super Bad, Pts. 1-2 [Stereo Mix]
5. Talking Loud and Saying Nothing [Extended Version]
6. Soul Power, Pt. 1 & 2 [Stereo Mix/Unedited]
7. Brother Rapp/Ain't It Funky Now [Live][#]
8. Hot Pants, Pt. 1
9. I'm a Greedy Man, Pt. 1
10. Make It Funky, Pt. 1
11. It's a New Day [Live]
12. I Got Ants in My Pants, Pt. 1
13. King Heroin

Disc: 4
1. There It Is, Pt. 1
2. Public Enemy No. 1, Pt. 1
3. Get on the Good Foot
4. I Got a Bag of My Own
5. Doing It to Death
6. The Payback
7. Papa Don't Take No Mess, Pt. 1
8. Stoned to the Bone, Pt. 1
9. My Thang [Undubbed Mix]
10. Funky President (People It's Bad)
11. Hot (I Need to Be Loved, Loved, Loved)
12. Get up Offa That Thing (Release the Pressure)
13. Body Heat, Pt. 1
14. It's Too Funky in Here
15. Rapp Payback (Where Iz Moses?)
16. Unity, Pt.1 - Brown, James w
Old 7th August 2002
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wot he said
ottis

not very helpful sorry
Old 7th August 2002
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D'angelo's latest ... forgot the title ..... but damn ...... LOVE that CD


but since that isn't a historical one yet ..... I'll second the JB stuff.
Old 7th August 2002
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If soul counts - and I think it should. The best box I own is :
Beg, Scream and Shout : The Big Ol' Box of '60's Soul - Rhino R2 72815
It is six discs of songs that are hand selected for quality not just sales. Really.
Old 7th August 2002
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Re: James Brown!

Quote:
Originally posted by Jax
James Brown. Just get the box set "Star Time" and be done with it!
Not quite done, unless that set includes the "Love at the Apollo" album...

Is there a Meters Box set? I've got the 4 CD Rhino Neville Brothers set, but The Meters Love on the Queen Mary may be the funkiest New Orleans record ever.
Old 7th August 2002
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Re: Re: James Brown!

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Originally posted by Dave Martin


Not quite done, unless that set includes the "Love at the Apollo" album...

Is there a Meters Box set? I've got the 4 CD Rhino Neville Brothers set, but The Meters Love on the Queen Mary may be the funkiest New Orleans record ever.
Do you always type 'Love' instead of 'live'?
That's just weird.
I've heard the Queen Mary CD - I agree it is essential.
I don't think the Meters every recorded anything not worth hearing.
Old 7th August 2002
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Wilson Picket - the album with 'Midnight hour' & '637 5489' on it.

Meters 1st album is amazing - insane f**ked up studio sounds - but what a vibe..
Old 7th August 2002
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"634-5789 (Soulsville, USA)", actually.

Marvin Gaye- "What's Going On" and "Here My Dear"
Just about everything Stevie Wonder did in the 70s.
Same for Earth Wind & Fire.
Some Gamble & Huff (look for compilations)
Prince- everything up through Sign of the Times
Again I'll mention the Roots
Old 7th August 2002
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Do you always type 'Love' instead of 'live'?
That's just weird.
I've heard the Queen Mary CD - I agree it is essential.
I don't think the Meters every recorded anything not worth hearing.
I don't always type 'love instead of 'live'. It's more that I'm a really bad typist, and o and i are right next to each other.

And speaking of the Meters Live, I think that part of what makes the record so good is that the whitest man in radio, Gary Owen, does the introduction...
Old 7th August 2002
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EVERY SONG that James Jamerson and the Funk Machine played on...it matters not who's singin cause at that point the groove was so massive that even i could be mistaken for a 'soul man'....

peace love bruthas
Old 7th August 2002
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EVERY SONG that James Jamerson and the Funk Machine played on...it matters not who's singin cause at that point the groove was so massive that even i could be mistaken for a 'soul man'....
Well, Bob Ohlsson should jump in here to remind us all that not all of the stuff we assume that Jamerson was on, he was on. Bob Babbit played bass on a bunch of the classic Motown stuff.
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Hiya Dave....have had this very same discussion on other threads in other times...i have the standing in the shadows of motown ..tribute to james jamerson...both book and recording...and on the website for him theres a discography....carol kaye also played on many of those hits..in those days with three to six sessions a day it wasnt unusual for them to have three premier bassists at any one time...and since they were basically cutting everything 'live' i'm sure there were sometimes two of m playing together only different parts...my reference was to the tracks that were definately james...and those, my friend, were the defining moments of the true motown groove.....
ala....four tops..bernadette
four tops...standing in the shadows of love
stevie wonder...i was made to love her
etc.etc. peace.....
Old 7th August 2002
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Indeed he did including half of the "What's Going On" album and all of the post-David Ruffin Tempts stuff.

The first R&B record he played bass on was Edwin Starr's "Agent Double-O Soul" and his playing on the Capitols' "Cool Jerk" earned Bob virtually all of the non Motown session work in Detroit.

The best Motown Box is the Hitsville Singles volume 1. which are the final singles mixes. They were mastered using an Ampex which doesn't sound as good as the Studer C-37 we used but beggars can't be choosers.

Other than that, you want the various artist's "Ultimate Collections" which are more recent transfers. Albums were definitely second-class citizens at Motown until Marvin Gaye's "What's Going On" album.
Old 10th August 2002
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Please add Curtis Mayfield's "Superfly" soundtrack to the list!
(J.B.'s "Live At The Apollo" is also one of my top ten all-timers)

Then "Greatest Hits" albums like;

1) Chi-Lites
2) Impressions
3) Stylistics
4) Spinners
5) O-Jay's
6) Harold Melvin & The Blue Notes (featuring Teddy Pendergrass)
7) Dells
8) Dramatics
9) Isley Brothers
10) Sly & The Family Stone
11 Little Richard (!) yes the "Georgia Peach" is great at R & B
AND rock & roll
12) Chess Box Set-with all those classic tunes with Muddy,
Wolf, etc. that shake the house down

There's a bunch more, however, I'll stop at a dozen for right now.

Chris

P.S. BTW, James Brown's ballad singing IMO is underated by the
mainstream pop listeners- he's terrific.
Old 13th August 2002
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Don't forget Al Green. He's the primal core of pure soul singing. Several of his tunes also present some unusual variations in groove.
Old 13th August 2002
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I agree Al Green was among the two or three most innovative artists of the genre.

I should mention the creater of R&B and for that matter of rock and roll which was Louis Jordan who was a sax player in the Chick Webb band.
Old 15th August 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Bob Olhsson
I agree Al Green was among the two or three most innovative artists of the genre.

I should mention the creater of R&B and for that matter of rock and roll which was Louis Jordan who was a sax player in the Chick Webb band.
It was good that Joe Jackson payed tribute to Mr. Jordan with his "Jumpin' Jive" album.

MeShell Ndegéocello's "Peace Beyond Passion" is one of the finest R&B release in recent memory. Excellent recording.
Old 20th August 2002
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mind if i give this thread a gentle shove in the direction of current (or recent) r&b and hiphop? i too am undereducated about this genre, but it seems clear that this is an area of major innovation in the production and mix departments.

i'll nominate kool keith's black elvis/lost in space. there's a huge amoutn of stuff going on in this one, makes you turn your head often, hooks overlapping everywhere. and the bass - whatever they did, it sounds huge even on a crappy boom box.
Old 22nd August 2002
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I think Grandmaster Flash was a tremendous innovator who brought the charismatic power of sermons to popular music however most of the rap that has followed has put me to sleep just like the "morning zoo." Howard Stern and Rush Limbaugh. Some of it contains true lyrical art but production-wise most is about as creative as a David Foster single. I think there's a tremendous opportunity for somebody.

As for remixing, Jamaican dub pretty much set off the bomb of creativity. I don't consider pale imitations of an old Donna Summer record assembled from another record's multitrack all that creative even though it's obviously a great deal of hard work and plays an important role in exposing artists.
Old 23rd August 2002
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Two of my favorites...Eddie Hinton and Howard Tate
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