the way I understood it one has to 'calculate' the delay a hardware insert has and enter that amount of samples in the soft .... so my guess is that unless Logic offers a software way of doing that .... it won't work....
Not to be a killjoy re questions about the latest digi software, but I'm still running 6.1 at The Gate. I've been in the middle of a few mixing projects and I haven't had the time to make the change over to Panther, plug updates, etc.
As someone using ADC in Nuendo, I was surprised at first to see how much CPU was used, but once I started thinking about how much buffering has to go on, it starts to make sense. What really hits the cpu is routing. Straight inserts aren't that bad, but once you start compensating sends and groups, things get pretty complex pretty quickly. Given that delay based/memory type operations have always been the weak spots for Digi hardware, I wouldn't be surprised if PDC isn't a cheap adventure.
This is most likely why they are offering the Accel upgrade to Mix and HD users. It may be that PDC makes a Mix system very anemic very quickly, and even an HD might be unhappy with the memory requirements (it might end up like the old days where you don't have enough of certain chip to do an operation.)
Why couldn't digi of developed a basic console with SSL or Neve (like fook they would) for summing and control of pro tools and inserts etc (auxes). I don't trust delay compensation for outboard and bussing duties it is surely is a hard task (adc) for programmers, the matrix us guys make create to many possibilities.
I actually believe Digi to be right in it taking them so long and don't belive it will be truly possible to be in a virtual analogue domain until we see 2 ghz sample rates, this is less about sound quality and more about speed of conversion.
But Hey!! they developed a mutha fooooking huge mouse called Icon D control or soming . Well all I can say is marketing and looks is all Digi have going for them at the moment.
With Pro Tools 7 you will see an improved mix buss again, midi functions that are 10 yrs old in some software and Im sure something interesting but not very useful features.
Saying all that though I do respect the initial and present design team who helped create the most useable computer audio tracking system in the world. Only when people get critical is when you know your good!! Unfortunaltely for them and us the mighty dollar is paramount and development cost's been probably to high have led to......well spend it on marketing.
Dleay Comp for Plugs.
Dleay Comp Routing (groups, subs, auxes etc..).
Dleay Comp for hardware inserts (compensates for ad/da conversion delay) (also an extra manual compensation for outboard digital devices like reverbs, L2 etc..)
delay compensation is defeatable per track and global DelayCompensation can be toggled on and off in real time.
each track is indivually adjustable (I.E. you can see that the track is delayed 3 samples but if you wish you can push or hold for feel per track)
theres even a new overdub scheme where ad/da delay are compensated after the record pass.
PT 6.4 in general is just awesome you will all see. - LP Title
Cool, Any word on additional dsp useage for HD? Will it be giant or nominal difference? In other words will one need to buy additional cards to run it effectively? Previous posts asked this just following up.
Originally posted by music Cool, Any word on additional dsp useage for HD? Will it be giant or nominal difference? In other words will one need to buy additional cards to run it effectively? Previous posts asked this just following up.
I'm not at liberty to discuss the specifics.. but it's not as much as you're imagining
Digi's ADC implementation looks fantastic, can't wait. Just wondering; Do we need to update our plugins to "ADC-aware" plugins, or will it work right out of the box? I know most of the plugs reports its latency to the host system today, but you never know...
Plug-ins have to be updated to support the D-Control center section, the correct category and the new clipping indicator features of 6.4... otherwise they should work fine (almost all have already reported the correct amount of delay).
Originally posted by Rail Jon Rogut 6.4 LE is said to ship around the 15th of April -- 6.4 for HD with ADC around the end of the month. The D-Control/ICON will be shown at NAB on the 19th of April.. and it ships with 6.4
according to the cover of mix magazine.... at least one [looks like 3 slammed together] has already shipped aquiring the first.
Well, it's only fair for me to eat some crow here, after my negativite predictions about Digi's ADC. If it works as Rail says, it looks like a superior implementation.
In that case, I will absolutely have to congratulate the Digi development team bigtime, and reiterate my feelings that something good is going on in upstairs management at Digidesign. This is smart stuff.