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Recording and Mixing Process for "Greedy Beats" Drums
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Recording and Mixing Process for "Greedy Beats" Drums

Hi Paul!

I love the sonics and vibe of your "Greedy Beats" loops. Can you describe the recording and mixing process you used to create those drums? It would of course be a huge bonus if you could include pictures or videos to help visualize the space and gear.

Thanks for your time!
Dylan

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Hi Paul!

I love the sonics and vibe of your "Greedy Beats" loops. Can you describe the recording and mixing process you used to create those drums? It would of course be a huge bonus if you could include pictures or videos to help visualize the space and gear.

Thanks for your time!
Dylan

Thanks Dylan, I’m trying to dig out some decent photos of the drum set up. Let me get back to you on those details......I love your work buy the way
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I've collected drum breaks since I was a young kid when I first heard "Grand Master Flash on the wheels on Steel" and Steinski's "Lessons"
That cut and paste aesthetic has always fascinated me and the heart has always been a killer drum break like "Funky Drummer" or "Apache" etc.
Hip Hop culture along with Electro has been the only forward thinking musical art form in the last 45 years imo.

So this led to me trying to play and record drums and realising how hard it actually is to do it properly like my heroes. There is a quote on your video Dylan from your colleague about how hard it is to replicate, where they probably just threw up a couple of mics and got on with it. This is true. When I worked with Andy Newmark once he said Sly Stone had a toy drum kit that he wanted recorded as quickly as possible and he has some of the most killer grooves ever, not to mention being one of the originators to mix drum machines with live kit.

Anyway after about 25 years of trying to make breaks and loops I realised that space had a lot to do with it and nailing the nuances of the groove.
I recorded some one shots in my courtyard in France that have gone viral, the sound is so good because the noise disperses perfectly because their is no roof. Obviously this doesn't make for a studio as it's not weather proof so the next best thing would be a vey high ceiling, so I bought a little church in Hastings on the South Coast of the UK and converted with the help of acoustic wizard Andy Munro.

Then it was just a case of tuning the drums and throwing some nice mics around the kit. I like ribbons, like RCA, AEA Beyer and STC, old dynamics like Shure and EV and even some of the new cheap ones like the A55 kicker plus nice Condensers like Neumann SM69 Tube and the AKG C24. This all went on a soundproof and concrete sandwich to isolate any resonance.

I tend to mix the natural air of the kit with big spring reverbs like the AKG BX20, the Master Room an EMT 240 plate and offset these to the tempo to get the slap back right.
I worked in studios for years as a kid and I never liked those little glass drum rooms with 15 mics on a kit, all the phase issues and reflections always ruined the sound for me. The Glynn Johns technique and variations of that came much closer to the sound I had in my head.

Anyway there are some great drummers here in Hastings and I let them do there thing and I just tried to capture it as well as I could. Mixing down I also used a lot of saturation and well timed compression to get even more breathe from the rhythms.

Here are some pictures that I hope illustrate the space we work in. I have a "drumbrella" now on a pulley and more acoustic treatment but it still sounds huge.
Speaking of which, I like the drums played softly like Clyde Stubblefield so you can really hear the dynamics of the rhythm. People think groove is all about timing but dynamics and volume is just as important to getting a great groove.
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Paul. Thanks for sharing that history. Amazing dedication to your craft, buying a church!
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I recorded some one shots in my courtyard in France that have gone viral, the sound is so good because the noise disperses perfectly because their is no roof.
Just wanted to say THANK YOU for these one shots! I grabbed them years ago when you shared them here on GS...just used some Kickslutz samples this last week and a hit from Sidesticks & Stones. Indeed, the courtyard dispersion is just beautiful...giving such depth of sound without taking up too much space!

Gracias!
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Just wanted to say THANK YOU for these one shots! I grabbed them years ago when you shared them here on GS...just used some Kickslutz samples this last week and a hit from Sidesticks & Stones. Indeed, the courtyard dispersion is just beautiful...giving such depth of sound without taking up too much space!

Gracias!
Yes it's all about beautiful diffusion, I was very happy with the sound.

I find in small spaces however hard you try to make the drums breathe, it's very hard work. Digital reverbs on their own don't blend too great, even expensive ones.

I really like the Tegeler reverb though. It sounds very natural.

The "Greedy Beat" sample pack is proving very popular, I'm very grateful to everyone that has bought the pack.
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