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Old 5th August 2002
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GAWD!!! i love this thread!!!dave...i saw billy gibbons play during the moving sidewalks days...and pearly sounded incredible then...now theres a thread that might be of interest to all these recordists/producers..."The Easiest Guitar Sound You Ever Got"...surely, billy's pearly gates was an absolute piece of cake to record....one brown tone fender champ and a cord....and as far as jimi's wanking off...is there a better lesson ever recorded on accompaniment guitar than axis:bold as love? has anyone ever gotten that tone on a recording since?? peace...
oh yeah....have you(dave) ever worked with little danny huff?
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GAWD!!! i love this thread!!!dave...i saw billy gibbons play during the moving sidewalks days...and pearly sounded incredible then...
oh yeah....have you(dave) ever worked with little danny huff?
The first time I saw Gibbons was in 1971, I think - right after the First Album came out. Billy Played Pearly all night through a half stack. Amazing. It also seems like I saw some pictures at one time of Gibbons and Frank Beard with a black bass player, so before Dusty Hill came on the band. But that was a long time ago...

And no, I've not worked with Dann - we move in different circles - his is the one where guys produce records charge double or triple scale, and mine isn't.
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But you must admit that Terry Kath played a great guitar. He was the balls of that band.
Chicago is useless without Terry Kath!
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Drumsound's list... My only observation is that at least a couple of those bands seem to be more about self indulgence than about rock and roll (I know that the two are related, but as hard as I've tried, I can't get nearlay as much out of Nirvana as everyone else does. I did like the MTV Awards show where the bass player threw his bass straight up in the air, apparently forgetting that gravity sucks. It nailed him on the way down. And, of course, I like what Weird Al did with the Nirvana song... With a few exceptions, I always liked the other horn bands working better than I liked Chicago; they just seemed too white to me. Given the option of Chicago or BS&T, Tower of Power or any of the R%B bands with horns - Earth Wind and Fire or the Commodores, Chicago sounded suspiciously like my high school stage band...Aqualung.
Concerning Chicago, I think they were a very different type of horn band compared to the ones you mentioned. Their use of not only big band influence, but also chamber and classical music along with rock if very unique.
Old 5th August 2002
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Paul Simon - Graceland

To be honest, when this recording entered my mind, I was taken aback somewhat (by myself , no less!). Why? Well, "You Can Call Me Al" gives off the same kind of 'I'm ok, you're ok (everything's just great)' vibe as Bobby McFerrin's "Don't Worry Be Happy" does. But that's OK! He gets away with it, because in addition to having written some exceptionally good songs, Paul wisely chose to back himself with the likes of Ladysmith Black Mambazo, the Boyoyo Boys, and Baghiti Khumalo; the Everly Brothers; the east L.A. band Los Lobos, the cajun band Good Rockin' Dopsie and the Twisters; and Linda Ronstadt. In so doing, he opened the world's ears to music that many people would not have had a chance to hear otherwise. Much more importantly, they woudn't have thought of hearing it this way.

This album marks my first experiences hearing one of the world's truly great drummers ever: Manu Katche. Not sure who the bass player is, but he is just as phenomenal as Manu. The two of them paired is about the most inventive, grooving rhythm section I've ever heard. Helps that the feel they brought was among my first times hearing the exotic backbeat of South African styles.

This album is pretty damned relevant to the history of music. Paul Simon hit his peak here (ok, go for your Simon and Garfunkel if you must [hey Jules, there is no Smilie to roll my eyes with here!]). His quest to blend musical styles hit its mark on this album, and the world that could have remained not-so-blissfully unaware of its musical neighbors is now the better for it.
Old 5th August 2002
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A bunch of records... But why do you think that they're important? Some of them I would happily agree with, but the Dixie Chicks "Fly"? Other than the fact that they didn't use any artificial reverbs and sold a bunch of copies for Sony (the only Sony Nashville act that did sell anything, why might that someday be an important record to know? In the category 'neo-traditional country with female vocals and acoustic instruments playing a dominant role', I'd tend to look at the Judd's first album, - the one that Don Potter played acoustic guitar on, and thereby created the sound of the the Judds. Or, to be fair, Emmylou Harris did all that 20 years before the Chicks.

Part of my interest in this subject is to learn about music I missed. So 'fess up - why do you think that the records you mentioned should be part of the common heritage of rock music?
I was hoping not to spend 3 hours on this, but fair enough... (but I don't think my list was meant to be limited to the common heritage of rock music) I'll try to be breif.

Beatles - Sgt Pepper's - George Martin is more popular than jesus to me...brilliant overdubs, sing-a-long melodies, and fairytale-ish lyrics
Atari Teenage Riot - 60 Second Wipe Out - Andy Wallace's most underrated work. Complete digital anarchy, it almost gives you an aneurysm
Beach Boys - Pet Sounds - Incredible harmonies, Set a standard for the way records were made.
Tribe Called Quest - Low End Theory - One of my favorite records by my favorite hip hop engineer, darker mixes than a lot of hip hop of the time
Shark Quest - Battle of the Loons - Incredible banjo and mandolin sounds. One of the members of F.D.P. is in this group (I believe recorded at Ben Fold's place)
Rodger's Waters - Amused to Death - Ahhh, one of the Q-Sound records... When Rodger left Pink Floyd, a part of me died inside, when this record came out, it changed the way I listened to day-to-day sounds
The Pixies - Doolittle - Frank Black's vocal wails, radio effects, huge impact on the way a lot of indie rock style bands made records
The Byrds - Sweetheart of the Rodeo - From Turn Turn Turn to THIS?! The stereo imaging of this record is much better than other records of that time. Amazing lapsteel guitar sounds... This is how I'd like every country record to sound
Slayer - Reign In Blood - Very intense, and not many producers (Rick Rubin) can go from Beastie Boys, to Tom Petty, to Slayer and pull it off
Family Dollar Pharoahs - Haunted -My favorite record. It's instrumental. Guitar sounds I'd kill my 1st born for
Archers Of Loaf - Icky Mettle - This is one of the greatest indie rock records IMHO It sounds DIY, not like some dude did it in his bedroom.
Beastie Boys - Paul Boutique - This album shook a lot of trees because of it's intense use of sampling (and openly PAYING for the samples used)
The Who - Who's Next - The bass and drum sounds on this record make me kill my parents and worship the goatlord
The Clash - London Calling - Rude sounding, the mixing compliment the aggression of the songs
Rolling Stones - Sticky Fingers - Keith's hangin out with country-rock pioneer Gram Parsons seemed to sneak into this record. There's so many great Stones records, I figure I'd just pick one
Violent Femmes - Self Titled This is one of the "punkest" records ever, AND IT'S ACOUSTIC
Nick Drake - Five Leaves Left - Very "dark" acoustic sounds...Very Dark, Melancholic, Pessimistic, Bitter and cold.
Peter Gabriel - So / 3 "In Your Eyes" is one of the cleanest mixes ever. Stwert Copeland's hi hat on "RedRain" is intense as hell
Iggy Pop - Lust For Life - The drums on Lust For Life are exciting as hell!!! Background vocals are perfect "sing along" vocal, even for the most tone deaf.
Portishead - Dummy -groundbreaking 'trip hop', crazy tremolos, theremins used musically instead of like a cheezy effect
Blackstreet - Another Level - For a record that's like 6 years old, it still sonically blows anything on the radio away (which is unheard of in the R&B market which has a very short shelf life)
Blake Babies - Sunburn - Much more Elaborate and Sophisticated than their earlier records
R.E.M. - Murmur - ringing guitar hooks with mumbled, cryptic lyrics, a big growth for the group from Chronic Town
Mos Def and Talib Kweli are Blackstar - DJ Hi Tek makes this record "bang" while still being 'true to the streets'... I beg other hip hop acts I work with to do segways like between "Definition" and "Re DEFinition". This record thrust Mos Def, Talib Kweli, and HI tek into the ranks as one of hip hop's most influencal groups
Dixie Chicks - Fly - I love the vocal 'sound', the ambience to the instruments, the mixes aren't cluttered every though there are a lot of things going on in the songs, regardless of how many units they've sold
Bjork - Homogenic - Incredible Lo Fi / Lo Bit drums, very dynamic and experimental (with pay offs)

These are records that I believe taught me a lot. I'm sure other people's mileage will vary.
Old 5th August 2002
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e-cue "Atari Teenage Riot - 60 Second Wipe Out - Andy Wallace's most underrated work. Complete digital anarchy, it almost gives you an aneurysm"

I single-handedly got them signed to their first ever deal - Polydor UK. Over on a rush trip from Berlin with an instrumental mix for Top of The Pops of The Lemonheads Mrs. Robinson hit, I figured I had better bring some cool music from the city I had been living in for the last 2 years to play A&R cats that were suddenly 'my best friend' because of my hit. (I had tried to be co-manager of ATR and was pals with the manager) Anyhow the A&R guys who freaked, flew over to see them play at a club I was running in Berlin the following week and signed em shortly after.. It didn't work out in the end due to corporate bull but they found a happy home on the Digital Hardcore label.

Sorry for the OT interruption, but I had to blow my own "A&R taste" and 'deal getting' trumpet there for one second!

Carry on.
Old 5th August 2002
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Bakithi Khumalo was THE bassist on Graceland.
Old 5th August 2002
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Talking jazz



hi dave well as u sermised im not yet in my 40's
but i am workin onnit..

very funny post ..am am still trying out some of the things you seem to have already worked out...are you sure about the
qualudes ? and no wonder we cant get any YOU TOOK THEM ALL ! (old ones are the best ones)

weve had a tiny conflab over here in london and are becoming of the mind that we prefer the experience for a few reasons..
...its a combination thing ... is the english american mix..
its mich ... its the youth.. it was the drugs...its not so MUSO
its little wing...its not hinting at becomming a jazzer *ducks*

of cousre any hendrix is completley fuggin great in my book heh
i like trios to

ECUE !!!!!
GEORGE MARTIN ! MY HERO ! WE HAVE COMMON GROUND fuuck

what is the world comming to

i like all beatles records equally old new short fat whatever
they are all sublime

also as we are talking about rock records as from a slight engineering bent the jimi hendrix experience records where
more intresting? what with all the phase and panning and moving eq sweeps and tape delays and plates and the whole orgasmic
groundbreaking production it is...

gotta go baby freakin out ...

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Re: jazz

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very funny post ..am am still trying out some of the things you seem to have already worked out...are you sure about the
qualudes ? and no wonder we cant get any YOU TOOK THEM ALL ! (old ones are the best ones)
I'm fairly sure about the quaaludes - that **** will sneak up on you... Is there a market for vintage drugs? What a weird concept...
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Paul Simon - Graceland


This album is pretty damned relevant to the history of music...His quest to blend musical styles hit its mark on this album, and the world that could have remained not-so-blissfully unaware of its musical neighbors is now the better for it.
Another excellent record. It wasn't the first to bring African rhythms together with western popular music, but it's probably the most successful.
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Re: jazz

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weve had a tiny conflab over here in london and are becoming of the mind that we prefer the experience for a few reasons..
...its a combination thing ... is the english american mix..
its mich ... its the youth.. it was the drugs...its not so MUSO
its little wing...its not hinting at becomming a jazzer *ducks*

Jazzer? Me? I started a band a few years ago specifically so we couple play Deep Purple's "Highway Star" and Humble Pie's "Four Day Creep" (then filled out the night with other riff rock songs from bands like Cactus, Blue Oyster Cult, Free, etc., and another time started another band specifically to play songs by the Meters and the Neville Brothers. It ended up as a 12 piece band with horns, drums and percussion, two keyboard players, a guitarist or two, and me. And the band never rehearsed, never used charts, and never did the two consecutive gigs with the same personnel. (I guess that one was a few years ahead of it's time - we were a jam band before the latest craze hit for jam bands...)
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I was hoping not to spend 3 hours on this, but fair enough... (but I don't think my list was meant to be limited to the common heritage of rock music) I'll try to be breif.
...
These are records that I believe taught me a lot. I'm sure other people's mileage will vary.

No this is really interesting to me - This thread is going to give me a bunch of music to buy, to listen to and to learn from. And that's the point...

Thanks!
Old 5th August 2002
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important music

Two soundtrack records:
Duke Ellington's Anatomy of a Murder.
Nino Rota's Juliet of the Spirits.

Far more moving and powerful than the movies they support. Great arrangements, great sounds. These records are like half hour voyages to some amazing & beautiful place.
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Re: jazz

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ECUE !!!!!
GEORGE MARTIN ! MY HERO ! WE HAVE COMMON GROUND fuuck
40 years later and the Beatles are still bringing people together. Too bad George didn't have access avalons back then. dfegad grggt [inside joke]
Old 6th August 2002
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Talking he he

grggt

but he does now and guess what ?fuuck grggt
Old 6th August 2002
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Wink old drugs

old jokes love not drugs !(coz u tookum all) grggt
Old 6th August 2002
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Leadbelly - Ground zero of pop music?

Songs in the Key of Life - Genius melody

Free / Bad Company - So mature so young

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For their historical and controversial nature:

The Beatles : Yesterday and Today (orignal cover with bloody babies, a comentary on the veitnam war)
Ice T/Bodycount : Cop Killer (How many protest rallys did this start?)
The Coup : Party Music (featured artwork of the World Trade Centers being blown up)
The Pixies : Surfer Rosa (Tits on an album cover?! RUN FOR THE HILLS!!!)
Sex Pistols : Nevermind the Bullocks
Vanilla Ice : To the Xtreme (A white rapper being sucessful?!)
Dead Kennedys : Frankenchrist (The widely PMRC hated record that had contoversal HR Gieger artwork)
W.A.S.P. : **** like an Animal (PMRC went after this 'sawcod peice' with a vengence)
2 Live Crew : Nasty As They Wanna Be (There was actually a time in the US when minors could not purchase this record)
The Velvet Underground and Nico (complete with peel off label that revealed a 'pink banana')
MC5 : Kick Out The Jams (saying "Kick Out The Jams Mother****er" doesn't seem like a bigdeal now, but in 1968...)
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and, simply because everyone on the Earth has heard them and have some of the most recognizable sounds every record:

- Faded Love (Bob Wills...any version)
- Layla and Other Love Songs (Derek and the Dominos...16 track at its very best)
- Unforgetable (Nat King Cole)
- Baba O'Reilly (The Who...for obvious reasons)
- Yessongs (Yes...harmonics intro on Roundabaout is one of those things that MUST be learned)
- Live in London (Ricky Skaggs...1st time I ever heard bluegrass that used more than 3 mics...)


I'm done now...
Old 6th August 2002
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What an incredible thread!!! There's so much music I forget about... Amoeba records, here I come!!!
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- Live in London (Ricky Skaggs...1st time I ever heard bluegrass that used more than 3 mics...)

The house kit here is the set that was used on that record. Martin Parker sold it to me years ago - 24" kick, 10, 12, 13 and 14" rack toms and a 16" floor tom. The set was a prototype for what later became the Masters Custom series. One interesting thing is that the inside of the shells are laquered.
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Question they are ?


they are ? what does that do ?
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they are ? what does that do ?
Damned if I know, but a couple of the drummers who have played the kit were knocked out by it the idea - two have offered to buy the kit from me.
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In reverse order, remember that we're talking about things that were important to rock music. Pet Sounds apparently wasn't important at the time, though it has been recognized as a classic. And since a couple of generations of musicians cite Pet Sounds as a major influence, I guess that you're right. It just doesn't sound that much like a rock record to me....

Marley certainly influenced a whole bunch of rock bands (If someone would enlighten me as to the difference between ska and reggae, though, I'd appreciate it...). Do you feel that the two records you mentioned (Burnin' and Exodus) are the 'Must Have' Marley records? I've got a couple of his things on vinyl, but I'm not sure which ones they are.

And tell me why Radiohead's record is important. I don't have it, so I'm not familiar with it.
To start with - the topic is "Records that everyone should know" - Why does that mean we're talking about only those important to "rock" music. Besides - "Rock" is definitely in the eye of the beholder.

"OK computer" is definitely rock though - art pop rock at that. I could write three paragraphs about why its great and probably of lasting importance. But I think you should do yourself a favor and listen to it straight through at a fairly high volume. It is simply a great musical and emotional voyage.

I do think Burnin' and Exodus are perhaps the best Marley records (Burnin' is a actually a 'Wailer's' record). In fact exodus was voted "Album of the Century" by some big media organization (Time?). I do have lots of Marley recordings and personally really dig some of the stuff recorded before Island came along. But...Exodus is probably still the winner. If you can, check out the recently released Limited Edition. It has two complete versions - the first is as the band really played it in Jamaica - the second is the Island version with lots of overdubs by extra musicians in London. It is a fascinating comparison.

Ska precedes Reggae. It it descended from Big Band music, R&B/Motown music, and Jazz - fused with original Jamaican elements and Rasta values. The premier first-wave Ska band is the Ska-Talites - check out the article in the new Mojo on them ( August 2002 issue with Marley on the cover). The next step was Rock-Steady which turned farther towards the R&B motown sound (JB too!) and away from Jazz. My favorite Rock-Steady is Toots and the Maytals. Reggae follow this step (Toots wrote the song "Do the Reg-gay" which is actually kind of half ska, half rock steady). Reggae is sort of half-speed ska, which is laying back in feel rather than pushing the beat. They share the feature of 'skanking' the beat - which is a heavy emphasis on two and four by the keys and guitars. Often the Kick and Snare are only on three with hats playing loosely swung beats throughout ( the one-drop riddim). Eventually this style became known as 'Roots' reggae because there are three more decades of changes to reggae after this..some of them so different that the only similarity is that they usually Jamaican in origin or at least inspiration. I'll stop there, there is so much more.
Old 7th August 2002
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To start with - the topic is "Records that everyone should know" - Why does that mean we're talking about only those important to "rock" music. Besides - "Rock" is definitely in the eye of the beholder.

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Because I cheated - before I mentioned any records, I wrote: "I think that everyone recording rock bands should at least know", because I intended to start another thread about R&B records that are important (or that are my favorite records...) I believe I'll do exactly that.

I betcha there's enough knowledgable opinions on this group to blow my CD budget for monnths. Michael has already started a thread about important CD's of the 90's, so I'll start an R&B list.

And as I said earlier, part of the fun here are the reasons that people give for including a specific album. And you've given me more information about Jamaican music that I've heard before. It warrants further study - thanks!
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You're welcome. Let me know what you think of OK Computer after you listen to it. It would be interesting to hear a less biased view.
Old 11th August 2002
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the records that have defined and redefined rock for me:

1. aimee mann + jon brion collaborations: "whatever", "i'm with stupid" and "magnolia"

this is rock music as i want to make it, beautiful arrangements, vocals upfront and proud

2. deep purple "in rock"

imo, the ultimate rock album, nuff said

3. black sabbath "paranoid"

first glimpses of diy rock

4. pink floyd "wish you were here"

art rock at its finest

5. nice "pictures at the exhibition"

highlights the importance of great playing

6. emmylou harris and daniel lanois "wrecking ball"

best example of modern chamber rock sound

7. bob dylan and daniel lanois "time out of mind"

another example of above

8. midnight oil "10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1"

political rock at its angriest

9. the saints "i'm stranded"

arguably, the first great punk rock record

10 david bowie "ziggy stardust"

new school of pretention defines theatre rock


phew, i could go on, but i won't

cheers
max
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Old 12th August 2002
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Beggars Banquet-Let It Bleed-Exile on Main Street and Sticky Fingers. The Stones making great music, faithfully, and truthfully.

Revolver-Sgt Pepper and Abbey Road. The Beatles pushing the studio and songwriting envelopes.

CTA and Chicago II and III. The melding of styles and talent is amazing.

Born to Run. Springsteen makes poetry of life in the city.

Who's Next. Talk about connecting with the muse. Almost every song is still getting constant radio play.

Van Halen I and II. Great rock band.

The Cars first album. See Who's next.

News of the World. Queen, wow. Every one writes, sings and is a complete mother ****er musician.

Nevermind. Nirvana, another record that sounds like a greatest hits record.

Bloodsugarsexmagic. Red hot chili peppers. Great vibe, songs and sound.

Ben Folds Five (first record). A band that plays great together, sings great together and knows how to write. I pull this one out and it stays in the CD player for two straight weeks.

The Soft Parade. The Flaming Lips are possibly the most interesting band on the planet!

Sin. Mother Superior is the best live band ever! The record is cool too.

heh
I can't believe I forgot to mention Led Zeppelin and Elvis' Sun Records stuff. D'oh!yuktyy
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geez, my head would melt if i actually tried to answer this question... or go into a cold fusion feedback loop.

melvins- gluey porch treatments: because if i rock band can play that slow in the beginning and still be that tight, they are halfway there... if they can play as fast and as tight as the album progresses, then they are all the way there. and if they can play that heavy, then they ****ing rock.

um, there are a lot of givens that i wont even mention.

everyone should listen to Clutch who hasnt yet. any of their albums.

and nirvana rocked like a muther****er. especially bleach and nevermind. i dfegad on steve albini for in utero fuuck dickhead.

fugazi, blows midnight oil in the political department, and rocks their ass too. any of their albums.

black sabbath laid more groundwork for the metal bands than led zepplin could of ever hoped to do [and ozzy was so much better than that robert plant]

too many more.
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