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Launch of Pono Studio Headphones
Old 13th March 2014
  #361
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One more thing about Pono: it may turn out to be fantastic, and the savior of the music industry, but as of right now IT'S VAPORWARE. Invest at your own risk.

Alternatively, anyone interested in hi-res music releases can try them out today. Nothing stopping you. Check out HDtracks, Acoustic Sounds, and other sources. Here's a pretty good list: HD Music Download Sites

I assume most everyone here has at least a DAW capable of playing these files (if necessary, FLAC can be easily converted to WAV). And a monitoring system good enough to appreciate whatever sonic goodness lies within.

Cheers,
Eddie
Old 13th March 2014
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One more thing about Pono: it may turn out to be fantastic, and the savior of the music industry, but as of right now IT'S VAPORWARE. Invest at your own risk.

Alternatively, anyone interested in hi-res music releases can try them out today. Nothing stopping you. Check out HDtracks, Acoustic Sounds, and other sources. Here's a pretty good list: HD Music Download Sites

I assume most everyone here has at least a DAW capable of playing these files (if necessary, FLAC can be easily converted to WAV). And a monitoring system good enough to appreciate whatever sonic goodness lies within.

Cheers,
Eddie
Unfortunately, culturally those things have been consigned to the nerd zone.

Pono stands to elevate it beyond that. My friends [who are definitely not the kind of people who go to HDtracks] are talking about Pono excitedly on Facebook.

- c
Old 13th March 2014
  #363
nerd zone?
most everyone owns a laptop capable of reproducing, playing CD's, and any other lossles audiofile format available.

hm.
Old 13th March 2014
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Nothing wrong with healthy skepticism.

Let's call it "peer review". heh

It wouldn't be much fun if we all agreed.

The fact that I don't hear the difference between a 24bit and a 16 bit master has less to do with my ears or my opinions and more to do with the kind of music I create and produce.

If I was listening to old analog tape masters for transferring purposes, I'm sure that opinion might be different. But we all have different arrows and different targets to throw them at.
Sure, but another cultural shift of value would be to transform the automatical impulse to fire an arrow to one that makes you want to break one instead. Too may arrows flying around as it is. Besides the really healthy scepticism is the more open kind that isn't so swiftly dismissive.

If in doubt, give it a chance. Perhaps. Maybe.

I can also find untold faults in this if I look, but as Silver Sonya I am excited about the possibility of it triggering a shift in the culture somehow. Even if small. A direction. At the end of which there may be a model with far less faults based on the same ideals....The faults are not the point, the possibility of cultural shift is. And while all and sundry are busy shooting arrows from the hip at the faults this is missed or ridiculed.
Old 13th March 2014
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It boggles my mind that you have this information yet you still think it should be a consumer format.

Do you record at 192kHz?
I master to DSD (5.6 MHz )
Old 13th March 2014
  #366
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My friends [who are definitely not the kind of people who go to HDtracks] are talking about Pono excitedly on Facebook.
That's great, but I hope they'll eventually realize that Pono ain't the only game in town. If nothing else, if Pono raises awareness among music fans that there's something better than MP3, it's all good.

Cheers,
Eddie
Old 13th March 2014
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nerd zone?
most everyone owns a laptop capable of reproducing, playing CD's, and any other lossles audiofile format available.

hm.
Yes, but nobody but the most persnickety nerd DOES that. I'm talking in practical cultural terms here. Not pure robot logic.

Do you remember 13 years ago when the iPod came out? And nerds on internet forums were like "So? What's the big deal? There are already tons of MP3 players out there... Who's gonna care?..."

And here we are.

Cultural penetration is a real thing! This is what Steve Jobs understood. This is what Neil Young is trying to do. We'll see if he succeeds...

Many [maybe most?] of my friends treat music as an afterthought and sound quality as a non-thought. Pono seems to be exciting an entirely different discussion.

Again: I think Pono stands a chance of being a viable niche format, like vinyl. I don't think it will become the dominant thing. [Although that would be nice!]

If I had money to invest, I'd buy stock in the company if it was publicly traded. I think it's a good bet.

- c
Old 13th March 2014
  #368
:-) yet that very iPod was capable of playing .wav / .aif out of the box.
vinyl's not 'niche' in my humble opinion.
Old 13th March 2014
  #369
...but then again. Revolution is good. If it can help 'bring back' quality, lossles audio to the masses and help
blowing mp3's and the comon understanding that 320k is ok, out of the water, GOODTHING.
Old 13th March 2014
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I listened to Harvest on cd. That needs 24/192 to sound good in a car?? Really??
I have Harvest in 24/192.
One of the best sounding recordings I've ever heard.
Old 13th March 2014
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Yes, but nobody the most persnickety nerd DOES that. I'm talking in practical cultural terms here. Not pure robot logic.

Do you remember 13 years ago when the iPod came out? And nerds on internet forums were like "So? What's the big deal? There are already tons of MP3 players out there... Who's gonna care?..."

And here we are.

Cultural penetration is a real thing! This is what Steve Jobs understood. This is what Neil Young is trying to do. We'll see if he succeeds...

Many [maybe most?] of my friends treat music as an afterthought and sound quality as a non-thought. Pono seems to be exciting an entirely different discussion.

Again: I think Pono stands a chance of being a viable niche format, like vinyl. I don't think it will become the dominant thing. [Although that would be nice!]

If I had money to invest, I'd buy stock in the company if it was publicly traded. I think it's a good bet.

- c
[bold added]

How many times must it be said -- it is not a format. NOT a format. Not.

It is a device and a store. The device plays and the store sells in formats that have been around for years, even if few people have bothered using some of them because there is no practical benefit.

From the horse's mouth (FWIW):
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IS PONOMUSIC A NEW AUDIO FORMAT? WHAT ABOUT PONOMUSIC QUALITY?
No. We want to be very clear that PonoMusic is not a new audio file format or standard. It is an end-to-end ecosystem for music lovers to get access to and enjoy their favorite music in the highest resolution possible for that song or album. The music in the PonoMusic.com store is sold and downloaded in industry standard audio file formats.
The PonoMusic Store uses FLAC (Free Lossless Audio Codec) audio format as its standard, for compatibility, although the PonoPlayer can play most popular high-resolution music formats from other sources. PonoMusic has a quality spectrum, ranging from really good to really great, depending on the quality of the available master recordings:

• CD lossless quality recordings: 1411 kbps (44.1 kHz/16 bit) FLAC files
• High-resolution recordings: 2304 kbps (48 kHz/24 bit) FLAC files
• Higher-resolution recordings: 4608 kbps (96 kHz/24 bit) FLAC files
• Ultra-high resolution recordings: 9216 kbps (192 kHz/24 bit) FLAC files
All of these formats have existed for years.

Heck, those of us who have music for sale on Bandcamp already have the ability to sell FLAC files to our fans (up to 600 MB per file, anyhow) -- and they're available at other stores, as well, like Amoeba and others.
Old 13th March 2014
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My generation could and will care less about this than anything,
What exactly, does your generation care about?

It certainly isn't good music or culture or differentiating yourself from preceding generations by doing something remarkable and unique.

How about how lame and unoriginal you appear to most other generations?

Whiny entitlement and underachieving does not make for "greatest generation" status.

So... what do you care about?
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:-) yet that very iPod was capable of playing .wav / .aif out of the box.
vinyl's not 'niche' in my humble opinion.
Don't get me wrong, I love vinyl.

The fact remains it only sells 6 million a year now vs. CD's which sold 165 million and digital which sold 118 million.

- c
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Does it mean we'll have to start mixing everything at 192K??
Old 13th March 2014
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Practically speaking in my life, I currently play 16/44.1kHz wavs on my iPhone or CD's or vinyl [for a limited number of special albums that merit this kind of treatment.]

Can't deal with MP3's.

- c
Old 13th March 2014
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Does it mean we'll have to start mixing everything at 192K??
at least!
Old 13th March 2014
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:-) yet that very iPod was capable of playing .wav / .aif out of the box.
vinyl's not 'niche' in my humble opinion.
And Neil Young has been saying the highest quality the iPod can produce
(24/48) wav or aiff, is not good enough.
Vinyl is about 1.5% of the music business..
That's not a "niche"?

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/10/ar...back.html?_r=0


How are LPs selling? That is a matter of dispute. David Bakula, Nielsen SoundScan’s senior vice president of client development and insights, said that his company tracked 4.6 million domestic LP sales last year, an 18 percent increase over 2011, but still only 1.4 percent of the total market, made up mostly of digital downloads (which are increasing) and CDs (for which sales are declining). This year, Mr. Bakula said, vinyl sales are on track to reach about 5.5 million.
Old 13th March 2014
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Gillian Welch's presence and testimony is pretty damn convincing.

I mean, she's Gillian Welch. She's pretty devoted to good sound and artisanal analog recording/delivery.

Just look at her face in that video. She looks... relieved.

Dismiss it if you will. I'm not gonna.

- c
Old 13th March 2014
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To everybody: I highly recommend you check out and invest in this thing.

I bought one a couple months ago. It's AMAZING.

I tend to go in via AES inputs with the Burl B2 ADC at 24/88.1kHz. I haven't ever tried 192, but now I'm curious.

Sometimes I do DSD recordings via the analog inputs of the Tascam, but I think I prefer the tone of the Burl.

- c
Old 13th March 2014
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I don't expect Pono to overtake vinyl. It has too many other advantages. Visual/tactile, etc.

Pono will probably stay around the 2% market presence that vinyl occupies, I predict. It won't hurt or help vinyl sales.

I could be wrong. We'll see.

- c
Old 13th March 2014
  #383
CarmenC: Vinyl is about 1.5% of the music business..
That's not a "niche"?

... it is from that perspective.
... nice article!
Old 13th March 2014
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Yes but if this means that I need to lower my CPU power and track count to mix for "PONO 192K" quality I'm out... If this is a battle against Mp3s it's OK but going into Super Audio becomes a little more challenging for ITB on non HDX platforms.
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Old 13th March 2014
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To everybody: I highly recommend you check out and invest in this thing.

I bought one a couple months ago. It's AMAZING.

I tend to go in via AES inputs with the Burl B2 ADC at 24/88.1kHz. I haven't ever tried 192, but now I'm curious.

Sometimes I do DSD recordings via the analog inputs of the Tascam, but I think I prefer the tone of the Burl.

- c
I have the KorgMR2000BLK and the Tascam!
LOVE them both!!!!
Old 13th March 2014
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Yes but if this means that I need to lower my CPU power and track count to mix for "PONO 192K" quality I'm out... If this is a battle against Mp3s it's OK but going into Super Audio becomes a little more challenging for ITB on non HDX platforms.
Personally, I would only do it on really good records.

- c
Old 13th March 2014
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Would a Neil Young porno feature his love of DVDA? :-P

Urban Dictionary: DVDA
Old 13th March 2014
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The shape of it does work against it in terms of an on-the-move portable device for sure, and clearly there are already available audiophile type portable players on the market with higher quality components that are more pocket friendly. But for its storage space and allegedly high spec signal path at the price point their aiming for doesn't seem so bad, its just a question of whether this is anything beyond a niche market.

As for mp3 vs losless, just give me non-limited music. If anything, such a high quality player will reveal more the damage that digital limiting does to music.... which... actually might be a good thing. Not for those wanting to enjoy their favourite artists on such a player (which could work against it), but to bring a bit more awareness to that. I'd rather all energy was focused on reducing digital limiting over arguing whether mp3 is worse than cd-quality is worse than 96/192, because the damage done by limiting is far greater than any difference between a well encoded 320kbps mp3 and 16/44 wav. If that means releasing alternative versions to the consumer at a higher sample rate with little or no limiting so be it, but I personally dont see the point in uneccessary upsampling to a much higher sample rate to enjoy the benefit of no limiting. It's really silly going beyond 96khz anyway for a playback medium.
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Does it mean we'll have to start mixing everything at 192K??
No, it means you have to record and mix everything in 32/384. ;-)
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