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Old 10th October 2018 | Show parent
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Support are not always correct.

Do you have an X-Touch sat in front of you right now?

Have you moved a fader? If you did, you'd know that whatever the resolution, that it is more than fine enough, so your statement is irrelevant either way.
Old 10th October 2018 | Show parent
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If you did, you'd know that whatever the resolution, that it is more than fine enough, so your statement is irrelevant either way.
Idiotic statement if there ever was one.
Old 10th October 2018 | Show parent
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Not as idiotic as moaning about fader resolution for a device you don't even own
Old 16th October 2018 | Show parent
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Anyone has an idea how to fix this issue with Ableton Live...

So I'm using Compact in normal mode, mapping everything manually... I want to use upper 3 rows of buttons as sends, already changed the config from momentary to toggle. But here is the problem:

The lights work ok but in Live it's acting weird, basically requiring me to press 3 times for simple on - off behaviour...

First press -> Send to 100% (on X-Touch Midi in / out both light up)
Second press -> Nothing happens but the light turns off (Only midi out lights up)
Third press -> Send to 0% light stays off... (Midi in/out both light up)

I checked midi messages and first two times the message is Note On, third one is Note Off... I presume the problem is that there are 3 states for lights On / Of / Blinking... hmm

Obviously I would like it to act as simple 2-press on/off switch...

Any ideas?
Thx
Old 17th October 2018
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I'm looking for some information about using these with Ableton as well. I would be using it with Push, which is seriously lacking a motorized mixer controller as a complimentary device IMO.

I'm new to these MCU protocol devices and am wondering if it's possible to draw automation for VST parameters using the motorized faders. (on the X-Touch, and/or for MIDI automation with the compact) It's surprising that there isn't more information about this because it seems to me that this would be one of the attractions of such a device. (or maybe this is not that impressive a feature as it sounds to me?) I'm looking for the faders to follow any automation that is already written and then you can just grab it and overwrite when wanted and then release and it continues following what has already been written.

From what I've read so far (including about half this thread and a bunch of others on the Icon devices and the new X-touch One) it seems that the MCU protocol is being seen mostly as good enough by the companies producing compatible devices but in actual usage it seems to be somewhat lacking. For example, I understand that about half of the buttons on the X-Touch aren't functional for use with Ableton. (and no one has written an add-on script which improves on this yet other than the fader smoother that was shared here which looks promising)

Ideally I would like to see better integration with specific DAWS and it looks like Behringer is moving a bit in that direction with firmware improvements for the X-Touch One but what we're missing is deep programming at the level of an Ableton Push or an APC40, to give some examples relevant to my DAW. (perhaps companies such as Nektar have done some of this for other DAWS but I haven't tried a Panorama since its not deeply programmed for use with Ableton)

I suspect that there are a lot of people like me who have been waiting for a better integrated solution for their DAW's, Ableton in particular, (it's been brought up repeatedly on the Ableton forums, for example) but who have been unsatisfied with what seems to be available so far. Anyway, it's good to see some movement in this direction.

Seeing some further firmware upgrades, as many have been asking for here, would probably sell me (and a lot of others) on it. As it stands, it's a bit confusing. It seems that the original X-Touch would be best for me since the scribble strips look like a must-have, but then it has no MIDI mode, and then only the X-Touch One has the overlays available... maybe I'll wait for the next round of products if there aren't many more updates this time around.
Old 17th October 2018 | Show parent
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The X-Touch would probably work great in ableton. YES you can automate with the faders. They are sent as pitch bend actually, which is a 2 byte message, which is twice the res of a normal CC.

However the lack of firmware updates is kind of worrying. I think the product is abandonware. It works very good though, there are no bugs as far as I can see, but would be nice with some solution for colored strips.
Old 17th October 2018 | Show parent
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Anyone has an idea how to fix this issue with Ableton Live...
Hi Egoless,

Our product development team confirms this behavior when running X-TOUCH COMPACT with Ableton. Unfortunately it has much to do with how Ableton handles this task. Generally it is working, but you just don’t get an indication on the X-TOUCH COMPACT button lights. I don't expect this will react the same way in other DAWs, and I fear there may be no additional MIDI support from Ableton side in Standard mode for this.

Perhaps contacting them and putting this on their radar will prompt them to devise a way to handle this differently on their end.

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Old 17th October 2018 | Show parent
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Not possible to fix it with remote scripts in Ableton (python) ?
Old 18th October 2018 | Show parent
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As it stands, it's a bit confusing. It seems that the original X-Touch would be best for me since the scribble strips look like a must-have, but then it has no MIDI mode, and then only the X-Touch One has the overlays available... maybe I'll wait for the next round of products if there aren't many more updates this time around.
What do you mean by 'midi mode'?

It functions as an MCU device.
In this mode it works to a pre-defined script (which can be easily modified, in Studio One at least) based on the original layout and controls of the Mackie Control surface.


Exactly how many of these controls are supported by your specific daw, is another matter.
Some do it more seamlessly than others.

Or, you can use it as a basic midi controller and just manually map its controls to commands and functions in your daw, as far as your daw allows.

Or, a combination of both if you can easily edit the script, as mentioned above.

I've got mine running in MCU mode in Studio One with a fairly heavily but simply modded script, so I've added loads of functionality that wasn't originally there, left the stuff I liked, and changed others around.

Much fun and swearing to be had as you unintentionally create impossible arguments and leave off quotation marks. Worth it though.
Old 26th October 2018
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Hey all. Is anyone using this?

I'm looking at this machine but Behringer is so bad.... I can't even find a manual for it on their website... just a "quick start guide" ...seriously?
Can anyone help with these questions?

1- Do the scribble strips show the track names as set in the DAW?

2- Can this control all devices in a DAW?? For example in Bitwig if I set up some macro knobs will they show up on the scribble strips with their name so I can control them with the encoders?

3- Will the LED rings around the encoders reflect the position of the macro knobs they are assigned to??

4- The encoders look really wobbly and loose in the official video? Are they bad? Prior experience with the BCR2000 make me extremely reluctant to buy another Behringer controller...

Thanks
Old 26th October 2018 | Show parent
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Hey all. Is anyone using this?

Do the scribble strips show the track names as set in the DAW?
Yes

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Can this control all devices in a DAW?? For example in Bitwig if I set up some macro knobs will they show up on the scribble strips with their name so I can control them with the encoders and will the LED rings around the encoders reflect the position of the macro knobs they are assigned to??
Yes in most daws. Mackie mapping

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The encoders look really wobbly and loose in the official video? Are they bad? Prior experience with the BCR2000 make me extremely reluctant to buy another Behringer cotroller...

Thanks
It's just plastic encoders, it's not for knob tweaking really, more like adjusting EQs. Not for mad filter moves etc. Use the sliders for that.
Old 27th October 2018 | Show parent
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Hi Egoless,

Our product development team confirms this behavior when running X-TOUCH COMPACT with Ableton. Unfortunately it has much to do with how Ableton handles this task. Generally it is working, but you just don’t get an indication on the X-TOUCH COMPACT button lights. I don't expect this will react the same way in other DAWs, and I fear there may be no additional MIDI support from Ableton side in Standard mode for this.

Perhaps contacting them and putting this on their radar will prompt them to devise a way to handle this differently on their end.

Michael Lapke
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I have solved it by using X-Touch editor and switching every button, fader and encoder to CC numbers... Working perfectly...

Now PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE release the mac version of the software editor, I had a pc laptop available at home just by accident, so now if I want to edit something I need to go to a friend with PC... Come on guys, I don't care if software crashes or whatever, if it does the job eventually...
Old 27th October 2018 | Show parent
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I have solved it by using X-Touch editor and switching every button, fader and encoder to CC numbers... Working perfectly...

Now PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE release the mac version of the software editor, I had a pc laptop available at home just by accident, so now if I want to edit something I need to go to a friend with PC... Come on guys, I don't care if software crashes or whatever, if it does the job eventually...
Why don't you run it in a VM or VMWare Fusion while you're waiting. Mac / OSX people are spoiled with always getting the audio goodies first. It warms my heart that someone released software for Windows first for a change *evil snicker*
Old 28th October 2018 | Show parent
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Hi Folks

I'm interestee in buying an X-Touch One for Cubase but I can't seem to find out if they fixed the timecode display not functioning for Cubase.

Does anyone know if a firmware update fixed it?

Thank in advance
Old 29th October 2018 | Show parent
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Hi Folks

I'm interestee in buying an X-Touch One for Cubase but I can't seem to find out if they fixed the timecode display not functioning for Cubase.

Does anyone know if a firmware update fixed it?

Thank in advance
Hi Fordy,

You may be getting X-TOUCH ONE mixed up with X-TOUCH Universal in this regard. A timecode display problem was reported happening in Cubase on the full size X-TOUCH Universal Controller way back when it was first released. It was corrected immediately after the initial product release (2015) with a new firmware (v1.14). This behavior has not been reported with X-TOUCH ONE.

Maybe you've got them mixed up?

Michael Lapke
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Old 29th October 2018 | Show parent
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Hi Michael

Thanks for the reply

Possibly I did but thanks for clearing my confusion up, I had better get one ordered

Now, if only you guys could hurry up with all the new synth's you have that would be even better news.

Cheer Michael!
Old 29th October 2018 | Show parent
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Hi Michael

Thanks for the reply

Possibly I did but thanks for clearing my confusion up, I had better get one ordered

Now, if only you guys could hurry up with all the new synth's you have that would be even better news.

Cheer Michael!
No problem, happy to help.

In regards to our new synth's, we're doing our best to get the best possible product out as fast as we can. They will come. It's such an exciting time to get into synthesis.

Wishing you all the best!

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Old 7th November 2018 | Show parent
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The X-Touch would probably work great in ableton. YES you can automate with the faders. They are sent as pitch bend actually, which is a 2 byte message, which is twice the res of a normal CC.
Ah, okay. And automating VST parameters with the faders is usually accomplished by pulling up the VST parameters on the encoders and then flipping them to the faders, correct?

This sounds like a great way to edit automation, with some tactile feedback. I'm just surprised it isn't mentioned more. (hardly at all that I've seen)

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What do you mean by 'midi mode'?

It functions as an MCU device.
In this mode it works to a pre-defined script (which can be easily modified, in Studio One at least) based on the original layout and controls of the Mackie Control surface.


Exactly how many of these controls are supported by your specific daw, is another matter.
Some do it more seamlessly than others.

Or, you can use it as a basic midi controller and just manually map its controls to commands and functions in your daw, as far as your daw allows.

Or, a combination of both if you can easily edit the script, as mentioned above.

I've got mine running in MCU mode in Studio One with a fairly heavily but simply modded script, so I've added loads of functionality that wasn't originally there, left the stuff I liked, and changed others around.

Much fun and swearing to be had as you unintentionally create impossible arguments and leave off quotation marks. Worth it though.
So you're editing the MCU script through S1, rather than using the Behringer editor or something else such as Bome's, correct? (I've heard that Bome's is the best way to add to the script for Ableton users)

I was trying to gauge how time consuming that kind of editing is to see if it's something I'd actually get around to diving into. I'm surprised one of these companies with Mackie control hardware hasn't already written a script for custom functionality for Ableton. It doesn't sound too bad though.

Thanks for the info y'all. This is something something I'll probably end up trying out for myself at some point.
Old 7th November 2018 | Show parent
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So you're editing the MCU script through S1, rather than using the Behringer editor or something else such as Bome's, correct? (I've heard that Bome's is the best way to add to the script for Ableton users)

I was trying to gauge how time consuming that kind of editing is to see if it's something I'd actually get around to diving into. I'm surprised one of these companies with Mackie control hardware hasn't already written a script for custom functionality for Ableton. It doesn't sound too bad though.

Thanks for the info y'all. This is something something I'll probably end up trying out for myself at some point.
It's very simple to do via Studio One, but not all DAWs make it that easy for you.

For any Studio One users out there with an X-Touch Universal, I've put together a simple remap that expands on the original functionality, all the files you need are in the folder linked below, along with a ReadMe containing instructions and a list of the new mappings.
It's worth having a browse of the new mappings to see if it's a concept you'd like before changing over, but it's a pretty painless process.

Dropbox - X-Touch Remap for Studio One - Simplify your life

Even if you don't have Studio One, it's worth having a look at the ReadMe to get an idea of the kind of changes that can be made when you do have access to the script.
Different DAWs will offer different levels of control though and they won't all offer the same options for customisation (ie the options shown in the 'Global Mapping Commands' file for S1 won't be the same for other DAWs).

Someone did a very deep level one for Reason, so it's worth hunting that down if you use it.
Old 13th December 2018 | Show parent
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Six weeks on and I still can't find one in stock anywhere in the UK...they must be good!
Old 6th February 2019
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Firmware still dead in the water. Meanwhile people discover the same thing as me, that the faders do not interpolate:

Old 6th February 2019 | Show parent
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(I've heard that Bome's is the best way to add to the script for Ableton users)
That's interesting. any more info on how?
Old 26th April 2020
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So I got a new computer, X570 / ryzen.
USB error 10 in Win10:

https://community.amd.com/thread/244174

Will there be a FW update? Or will X-Touch be abandonware forever? Even my Nord Modular G2 works through USB still.
Old 26th April 2020 | Show parent
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So I got a new computer, X570 / ryzen.
USB error 10 in Win10:

https://community.amd.com/thread/244174

Will there be a FW update? Or will X-Touch be abandonware forever? Even my Nord Modular G2 works through USB still.
I contacted them and got a response that they're aware of the issue, they have no fix at this time other than to recommend a USB PCI card. I got one and it works. Not happy with their response though.
Old 26th April 2020 | Show parent
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I contacted them and got a response that they're aware of the issue, they have no fix at this time other than to recommend a USB PCI card. I got one and it works. Not happy with their response though.
Thanks!

Depends if there's a hardware or software issue. But USB is supposed to be backwards compatible so.
Old 26th April 2020 | Show parent
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Thanks!

Depends if there's a hardware or software issue. But USB is supposed to be backwards compatible so.
Supposed to be. Doesn't make it so unfortunately. RME warned me their USB3 interfaces don't work with ASMedia chipsets. UAD-2 Duo and Quad PCI cards didn't work on many x570 boards but that one was fixable with a BIOS update. Then the X-Touch... So definitely some corners being cut at various places which can lead to incompatibility. Hopefully it's all fixable eventually. Question is who is at fault and who will actually do the fixing if anyone.
Old 26th April 2020 | Show parent
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Supposed to be. Doesn't make it so unfortunately. RME warned me their USB3 interfaces don't work with ASMedia chipsets. UAD-2 Duo and Quad PCI cards didn't work on many x570 boards but that one was fixable with a BIOS update. Then the X-Touch... So definitely some corners being cut at various places which can lead to incompatibility. Hopefully it's all fixable eventually. Question is who is at fault and who will actually do the fixing if anyone.
Hm interesting. Might be the chipsets on the motherboards ?

Which card did you buy?
I have an old USB MIDI interface I can plug in though. Less work to do that than opening up the machine again...
Old 26th April 2020 | Show parent
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Hm interesting. Might be the chipsets on the motherboards ?
It's probably specific to the USB chipsets on the motherboards. I'm not an uber-PC-nerd, and will try to avoid talking out of my ass, but there are definitely reports of some gear not playing nicely with the USB chipsets on many X570 boards. And RME support told me the ASmedia USB3 chipset doesn't work with their USB3 cards. So there's that.

I'm hoping one day a new ASmedia USB driver comes out and suddenly everything works again. But you never know. My understanding was that the UAD cards did something non-standard in the Duo and Quad PCIe cards, that didn't begin to manifest itself until some of the newest motherboards hit the market. So you'd think "motherboard is the problem" but in that case it may have actually been "UAD card is the problem, but motherboard manufacturers are able to work around it via a BIOS update." But like I said, I'm not super technical so take all that with a grain of salt and assume I am talking out of my ass.

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Which card did you buy?
I have an old USB MIDI interface I can plug in though. Less work to do that than opening up the machine again...
I bought this:

https://www.newegg.com/startech-com-...82E16815158412

Uses an NEC USB chipset. Routed one of the SATA power supply connecters from the daisy chain of hard disk over to the card to power it. Works with the X-Touch One. I'd expect it'll work with the X-Touch.
Old 27th April 2020 | Show parent
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It's probably specific to the USB chipsets on the motherboards. I'm not an uber-PC-nerd, and will try to avoid talking out of my ass, but there are definitely reports of some gear not playing nicely with the USB chipsets on many X570 boards. And RME support told me the ASmedia USB3 chipset doesn't work with their USB3 cards. So there's that.

I'm hoping one day a new ASmedia USB driver comes out and suddenly everything works again. But you never know. My understanding was that the UAD cards did something non-standard in the Duo and Quad PCIe cards, that didn't begin to manifest itself until some of the newest motherboards hit the market. So you'd think "motherboard is the problem" but in that case it may have actually been "UAD card is the problem, but motherboard manufacturers are able to work around it via a BIOS update." But like I said, I'm not super technical so take all that with a grain of salt and assume I am talking out of my ass.
I see. Glad that's fixed because I was thinking of getting an octacore PCIe!

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I bought this:

https://www.newegg.com/startech-com-...82E16815158412

Uses an NEC USB chipset. Routed one of the SATA power supply connecters from the daisy chain of hard disk over to the card to power it. Works with the X-Touch One. I'd expect it'll work with the X-Touch.
Thanks! I also read that there could be the power delivery.

Anyway, I found my old ROMiO II MIDI USB interface, which worked perfectly on the non-functioning ports. So I run the X-touch in MIDI DIN mode.
Old 27th April 2020 | Show parent
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I see. Glad that's fixed because I was thinking of getting an octacore PCIe!
You still would've been good: the Octo's were never impacted. For whatever reason it was limited to Duo's and Quad's.
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