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Waves "NLS" Non-Linear Summer Saturation Plugins
Old 11th April 2012
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Smart choice to go to Mike Hedges.
Old 11th April 2012
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Avid/Digidesign has not been that friendly to smaller developers, historically.

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But mac/windows VST is as friendly as they come. That should factor into a true shootout.
Old 11th April 2012
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Is anyone else having problems logging into the Waves License Center? I'm not sure if it's a Waves problem, or a problem with my network at work. Trying to get the demo license for NLS loaded so I can check it out!
Old 11th April 2012
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Smart choice to go to Mike Hedges.
Don't tempt me with trying it again! heh
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Old 11th April 2012
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Chris I'm assuming you are the guy who makes the airwidows plugs, might I ask why they aren't RTAS compatible?

In a semi related rant, it's really troublesome to me that a lot of smaller plug in companies who often make great and unique products don't cater to pro tools guys. I can't think of others on the top of my head but I often find myself digging up something really cool looking online only to realize I would have to wrap it into an RTAS plugin with that god awful fxpansion program.
It is worth asking whether this is to be a Pro Tools only thread (I've also asked Jules personally if he'd like me to treat Waves threads like Slate threads and stay out of them on general principles, something we worked out last year over the phone. update- he's OK with very limited involvement, but I think even that is causing too much static- I'm going to call it an 'oops' and lurk).

One thing about big-budget companies is manpower and the ability to do more of the grunt work of coding- porting, adapting to different hosts and platforms, supporting different dongles and so on. It's a different world, but a world that coexists with the teeny-boutique-coder world on whichever platforms the little guys specialise in. For instance, I do 64-bit AU and not Pro Tools, while Massey does Pro Tools and not AU.

It's strictly about the ability to develop expertise in a system. Diversify too much and it becomes impossible to stay on top of reliability issues because there isn't enough time to do that and still develop new stuff. And we've gotta develop new stuff, and keep pace with the development of the platforms, which are moving targets.

Bottom line- your choice of DAW host also has to incorporate choice of access to third party developers, and there really isn't a standard host any more. There's a bunch of them, and it's all about how all these aspects work for you in practice- this year.
Old 11th April 2012
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Just did a quik video on it ...first contact was pretty positif ...the waves V9 stuff was cooling ....time maybe to upadte my waves plugins ...again this one comp or dongle stuff is killing me as i have to keep my ilok for other stuff , and my lappy is already usb crouded ....

You gonna hear a starnge stuff going on on the EMI emu and the right side ...


stay tuned for videos ....uploading now ...
Old 11th April 2012
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I would never buy any plugin of yours if I was on Mac because of your constant highjacking of other developers disgusts me.
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Its really inappropriate and completely puts me off his plugins. I came here to read about Waves NLS, not some jelous guys rant.
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Ok here's the link :

WAVES NLS First Contact - YouTube

pure improvisation so sorry for the non scriped and edited video ....did it quik cause my 5 years old son can not stay calm more that several minutes !! did it on a rush thanks to toy story !
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Ok here's the link :

WAVES NLS First Contact - YouTube

pure improvisation so sorry for the non scriped and edited video ....did it quik cause my 5 years old son can not stay calm more that several minutes !! did it on a rush thanks to toy story !
Thanks Jeezo and thanks Pixar also!
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Old 11th April 2012
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Is anyone else having problems logging into the Waves License Center? I'm not sure if it's a Waves problem, or a problem with my network at work. Trying to get the demo license for NLS loaded so I can check it out!
The site has been a bit flaky today, at least for me. I did get the update in the end.
Old 11th April 2012
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I'll wait a bit till Logic X gets released. I think they'll have something that is similar to this. Also I find it strange that if you have a 200$ voucher and this bundle is 249$ that you still have to fork over 186$.
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What's with all the Chris Johnson anger? Chris is awesome. He is in the same league as Waves and his tools get used more than Waves in my work. Would love to head a shootout with Airwindows. And I bet he has explored every possibility of going RTAS, but has been kept back by the Avid road-blocks.
Old 11th April 2012
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Downloading... But whats the price?!
At Waves Universe we just got our NLS page up to date. List price is $249, you can see our price here: NLS Non-Linear Summer
Old 11th April 2012
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Perhaps that includes WUP and NLS for $189.......
Old 11th April 2012
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What's with all the Chris Johnson anger? Chris is awesome. He is in the same league as Waves and his tools get used more than Waves in my work. Would love to here a shootout with Airwindows. And I bet he has explored every possibility of going RTAS, but has been kept back by the Avid ro*******s.
Chris is a cool guy, but I have to agree that it's a bit annoying to see him promoting his own plugins (one way or another) in threads like this one. Feel free to start your own thread, but stop hijacking threads..

My 2 cents.

On topic: can't wait to start demoing these new plugins from Waves, interested to hear how these compare to VCC!
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What's with all the Chris Johnson anger? Chris is awesome. He is in the same league as Waves and his tools get used more than Waves in my work. Would love to head a shootout with Airwindows. And I bet he has explored every possibility of going RTAS, but has been kept back by the Avid road-blocks.

Yes. The guy didn't do anything wrong. Ease up people pfff or lay off the espresso for a while.
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Chris is a cool guy, but I have to agree that it's a bit annoying to see him promoting his own plugins (one way or another) in threads like this one. Feel free to start your own thread, but stop hijacking threads..

My 2 cents.

On topic: can't wait to start demoing these new plugins from Waves, interested to hear how these compare to VCC!

If anyone ELSE would've suggested such a shootout (which will happen rather sooner than later I predict) it'd be different?
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I'll wait a bit till Logic X gets released. I think they'll have something that is similar to this. Also I find it strange that if you have a 200$ voucher and this bundle is 249$ that you still have to fork over 186$.
That is due to the strange way Waves calculates vouchers. You only get 25% off plugins. So $249 - 25% is $186 and some change. Obviously it would only be using about $62 worth of your $200 voucher. You could use the remainder on other products if you do it in the same transaction. By the way, we accept vouchers and discount the final price, so our price for the NLS with voucher would be a bit less. See Waves Voucher Redemption for more info. Or email us for a voucher quote.
Old 11th April 2012
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OK, Waves lied. This is not a summing plugin. The summing still happens by the DAW mixer. Technically this works exactly like VCC. I hoped that you could send the audio directly from the track plugins into the "summing" plugin. Like you can send out audio via sends into an fx track with a reverb or so.

Compare this to an analog summing box like the Neve 8816. There you send in individual tracks or groups AND THEN they get summed within the device.

With VCC and NLS you send the ALREADY SUMMED signal into the "box". I am by no means an expert if this really matters but I would assume so.

First impression is good tho, nls sounds nice. Seems to be in the same league as VCC and is no game changer.
Old 11th April 2012
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ok after an actual test ....we clearly hear what's going on in the 3D space ....really non linear !!

My center is no more dead center feel ...!

So defintly some to mix in !! (like always) do not put it after a mix !

This is not a summing , but it result in the non linear summing impact !!
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OK, Waves lied. This is not a summing plugin. The summing still happens by the DAW mixer. Technically this works exactly like VCC. I hoped that you could send the audio directly from the track plugins into the "summing" plugin. Like you can send out audio via sends into an fx track with a reverb or so.

Compare this to an analog summing box like the Neve 8816. There you send in individual tracks or groups AND THEN they get summed within the device.

With VCC and NLS you send the ALREADY SUMMED signal into the "box". I am by no means an expert if this really matters but I would assume so.

First impression is good tho, nls sounds nice. Seems to be in the same league as VCC and is no game changer.
That idea sounds like a much more complicated one, and not exactly something that would flow well within a DAW.

Sounds like you basically wanted Waves to recode every DAW... I don't see anyone doing that.
Old 11th April 2012
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OK, Waves lied. This is not a summing plugin. The summing still happens by the DAW mixer. Technically this works exactly like VCC. I hoped that you could send the audio directly from the track plugins into the "summing" plugin. Like you can send out audio via sends into an fx track with a reverb or so.

Compare this to an analog summing box like the Neve 8816. There you send in individual tracks or groups AND THEN they get summed within the device.

With VCC and NLS you send the ALREADY SUMMED signal into the "box". I am by no means an expert if this really matters but I would assume so.

First impression is good tho, nls sounds nice. Seems to be in the same league as VCC and is no game changer.
Yeah, that's what I also thought. And yeah, it's tough.
There's plenty of DAWs and each has its own quirks, so coding something like that would be crazy task. Still, that video where the guys said "you can bypass summing within your do" made me hope for it.

But this thing sound nice nonetheless!
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Ok here's the link :

WAVES NLS First Contact - YouTube

pure improvisation so sorry for the non scriped and edited video ....did it quik cause my 5 years old son can not stay calm more that several minutes !! did it on a rush thanks to toy story !
Great demonstration video Jeezo.

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Ok here's the link :

WAVES NLS First Contact - YouTube

pure improvisation so sorry for the non scriped and edited video ....did it quik cause my 5 years old son can not stay calm more that several minutes !! did it on a rush thanks to toy story !
About the difference in L/R on the EMI channel, did you try it in dual mono vs stereo? Or another "channel" since they modeled several?
I downloaded the demo but had to run, couldn't try it

For what I get from the vid I like one thing: it seems the saturation is not overdone even with the drive all
the way up, and I like the ratio between added harmonic content (very obvious and very different from channel to channel) and distortion in favor of the first one. Seems well balanced in that regard
Old 11th April 2012
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About the difference in L/R on the EMI channel, did you try it in dual mono vs stereo? Or another "channel" since they modeled several?
I downloaded the demo but had to run, couldn't try it

For what I get from the vid I like one thing: it seems the saturation is not overdone even with the drive all
the way up, and I like the ratio between added harmonic content (very obvious and very different from channel to channel) and distortion in favor of the first one. Seems well balanced in that regard
yep !! also doing this on the neve ....this is where the fun begins ...

mono/stereo : same

You guyz have to mix in , not put it after a mix !!
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Personally, I'd love to hear a shootout between this and Chris's plugs and any other like minded software. We all want to know what the Waves summers do; what better way than to a-b them with existing product? The fact that I'm not a protools guy doesn't change my curiosity about a new product, and we can all learn together right? Let's all play nice and compare notes
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When you say 'mix it in', do you mean strap it on the subs or individual tracks?
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yep !! also doing this on the neve ....this is where the fun begins ...

mono/stereo : same

You guyz have to mix in , not put it after a mix !!
Wow, that's pretty odd.. Regardless of mixing into it or not
the L/R mismatch is weird, I mean it doesn't matter if the console modeled
was like that, that's one of those things that if you cold get rid of (on the console) you'd probably would..
I remember working on this '75 Neve console and sometimes there was
one channel eq going apesh#t and started to "rain", you had to punch it
to make it quiet again.. lol what if they modeled that channel?
Adding a "virtual punch" button on the plugin?

Anyway, the thing sounds interesting even from the vid,
I can totally see a use and I've always like the whole fake console idea
I've been doing it for years with the SSL ch + a saturation plugin, and yet,
I didn't like VCC when I tried it


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When you say 'mix it in', do you mean strap it on the subs or individual tracks?
As in "open the channels instances and set up all the busses first thing in the mix"
as opposed to mix and *then* strap the channels and busses on everything..
Like you'd do with, well, anything..
Old 11th April 2012
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How do you set up these plugins when you use busses?
I have several tracks routed to different busses (drums, vox, keys and so on) that are routed to the master fader.

Do you put NLS Buss on the busses and on the master fader, or do you put a NLS Channel on the busses and the NLS Buss only on the master fader?
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