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Old 26th July 2006
  #91
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Talking It Fits Better My Back Pack

Quote:
Originally Posted by DrDeltaM
I can't get the FF DI input to please me actually. It does the job, but I'm considering buying a Little Labs Red Eye as DI instead. Somehow, I can't get good levels with the FF DI without having nasty clipping distortion.
Sometimes i use the distortion, limiter and cab sim, more often i don´t.
Just like you i´m shopping for a DI (germanium perhaps), nevertheless those Hi-z inputs on the FF800 are not a common thing on most interfaces.
They emphasize the bass frequency a lot and sure they clip but its knob takes care of it on most cases.

Anyhow i made the switch, the FF400 with a nice DI is a lot more apealling to me rigth now (it fits better my back pack)

Bye.
Old 26th July 2006
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Hey Daniel

I have had my FF 800 for probably 2 years or so now, i really like it and it has been a great product for me and my home studio.

i have to say though that the newsgroup, of which i am a member and have used is really not my cup of tea.

i do get very good support from you guys when i post a question, but trying to find answers without posting is very very difficult. i think having a forum like this would be a very good idea. and yes, probably because i am more comfortable with this format

plus i run the newsgroup off my outlook express so there are times i cannot access it unless i am home etc??

just a thought from a satisfied customer. totally up to you guys though
Old 26th July 2006
  #93
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Quote:
Originally Posted by captain caveman
In my most humble of opinions, newsgroups are for 1990s computer people.
That's it. Newsgroups are tinkery, for people who like to tinker with things. That's how RME interfaces used to be - people who liked to tinker with things and were "in the know" bought them, a sort of anti-snobbery snobbery. Now, RME products have evolved beyond that and are mainstream, not just for in-the-know tinkerers.

But the RME Newsgroup continues the anti-snobbery snobbery, for people who like to tinker with things and are in-the-know.

Tinker with a newsreader? Why bother. Most people prefer browsers and the www, and it would be nice if RME bullitan board was as accessbile as their products have become.

-matt
Old 26th July 2006
  #94
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DrDeltaM
I can't get the FF DI input to please me actually. It does the job, but I'm considering buying a Little Labs Red Eye as DI instead. Somehow, I can't get good levels with the FF DI without having nasty clipping distortion.
I like the DI for the distortion. I use the Limiter, Drive and cab simulation but it definietly is not clean. It works great for some of those old Larry Grahm bass sounds. However, I do get good levels in Samplitude.
Old 26th July 2006
  #95
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From time to time I come across posts where people say they've ordered a FF400 but I've yet to see any kind of review of it anywhere. I'd especially like to know how it sounds compared to the FF800. I've read reviews of the FF800 saying that the A-D was great, but the D-A not so great. If that's true, I hope the FF400 is improved in this regard.

So, does anyone here HAVE a FF400, and how does it sound???

Newsgroups...I keep meaning to give it a shot at home but haven't had time. I do most of my forum-browsing at work where my computer is restricted (can't launch Outlook).
Old 26th July 2006
  #96
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Hey bdunard -

I see you're using Samplitude with the FF800...I'm probably about to get Samplitude and either the FF800 or '400...has the '800 worked smoothly with Samplitude?
Old 27th July 2006
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bdunard
I like the DI for the distortion. I use the Limiter, Drive and cab simulation but it definietly is not clean. It works great for some of those old Larry Grahm bass sounds. However, I do get good levels in Samplitude.
Haven't tried on bass, but it doesn't sound good at all on Rhodes imo.
Old 27th July 2006
  #98
RLA
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RME SUPPORT, Does the 400 have the limiter function (and/or cab simulation)? And, how exactly do the converters and preamps compare to the 800. Thank You
Old 27th July 2006
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RLA
RME SUPPORT, Does the 400 have the limiter function (and/or cab simulation)? And, how exactly do the converters and preamps compare to the 800. Thank You
c´mon Daniel, be a pal.
Old 27th July 2006
  #100
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Hello,
Quote:
Originally Posted by RLA
RME SUPPORT, Does the 400 have the limiter function (and/or cab simulation)?
No... And BTW, verything you want to know about it is in the downloadable manual: http://www.rme-audio.com/english/dow...fface400_e.pdf
Quote:
And, how exactly do the converters and preamps compare to the 800. Thank You
The FF 400 uses a combined ADDA chip (AK 4620), while the FF800 has separate chips (5385/4395). S/N and THD for AD are almost identical, DA specs are marginally better on the FF800.
The preamps, however, have been slightly improved.

Regards,
Daniel Fuchs
RME Support
Old 27th July 2006
  #101
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You vs your company

This is a message for Daniel and any other people who represent companies on GS.

I will hold your company responsible if you are impolite, sarcastic, profane, etc.

If you want to get another GS id for your own personal points of view, I'm all for it. Then you can be a jerk, use foul language, etc, and I won't hold your company responsible, even if I know it's you.

But if you're representing your company, I expect to be treated like an important customer who paid big $$$ for a high-end piece of audio gear. Even when I'm acting like an ignorant jerk!

BTW Daniel, nothing you said was horrible, but you didn't have the proper "customer's opinion is valuable" attitude about the RME forum. So I thought I'd warn you in advance, since I'm considering buying a RME interface and don't want my decision to be biased by a possibly unprofessional customer support rep.

Thanks, and I hope this helps!

BTW, I think it's awesome that RME has someone here to answer questions. It really shows that they stand behind their products and want to support the customer after the sale. Every company should do that. Rock on!

David
Old 27th July 2006
  #102
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RME Support
The FF 400 uses a combined ADDA chip (AK 4620), while the FF800 has separate chips (5385/4395). S/N and THD for AD are almost identical, DA specs are marginally better on the FF800.
The preamps, however, have been slightly improved.
Thanks, that helps. Seems like the FF400 is a great deal for someone who doesn't need all the '800's inputs. I've been going through the '400 manual the last couple of days, actually, and am excited to mess with the real thing. I'll be upgrading from the TMD-1000 which I recorded my last album with, so I'm pretty excited.

By the way, I logged into the RME Newsgroup last night and have to admit that I found it to be less fun than a web forum, but I did find some interesting information (though there's much less info there about the '400 than there is here). However, I couldn't respond to anything because of how my email is configured, so I can't really use it without modifying my setup, which I don't see myself doing. Just my 2 cents.
Old 28th July 2006
  #103
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Quote:
Originally Posted by trock
i have to say though that the newsgroup, of which i am a member and have used is really not my cup of tea.
To each his own... Usenet is a specialised protocol for discussions. I much prefer usenet news because of the streamlined and sophisticated interfaces of the Usenet readers. Particularly the filtering and threading features. I like the RME discussion group.

L
Old 28th July 2006
  #104
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Thumbs down

The RME Newsgroup is horrible. I can't even post because Microsoft Outlook is screwed up. And there is no "how to set your computer up for a newsgroup" guide on RME..very VAGUE. HTML WEBFORUMS WILL REACH THE MASSES BETTER. PLEASE RME STOP BEING IGNORANT AND CREATE A WEB FORUM. dfegad
Old 28th July 2006
  #105
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Hi all:
Just orderd the FF400.
I expect to have it sometime next week.
just wanted to say i´ve being bouncing bettwen the Onyx 400f and the ff400.
RME won this time, anyway i have very high expectation on this one as a former FF800 user.



i couldn´t careless about newsgroups or fora, i just don´t dial into newsgroups... albeit no oficial RME forum there are plenty where user can get a lot info, besides the manual and the retailler.

Bye.
Old 28th July 2006
  #106
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Quote:
Originally Posted by stag
Just orderd the FF400.
I expect to have it sometime next week.
Stag, I look forward to hearing your impressions of the new unit! So far I've yet to read anything about it from anyone who's actually used one.
Old 28th July 2006
  #107
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Hello,

Quote:
Originally Posted by dejacky
The RME Newsgroup is horrible.
It is like every other newsgroup. In fact, it's different inasmuch as it's more civilized than most other newsgroups... Right above your posting there is an opinion of a customer who is strongly in favour of newsgroups. Are you willing to respect his opinion as much as you expect your own opinion to be respected? As in "To each his own"...? Or is this customer wrong...?

Quote:
Microsoft Outlook is screwed up.
Now that is a basic fact of life, if you will permit me the comment...
Nevertheless, a good number of the RME newsgroup's members use Outlook for the purpose. But there are a number of alternatives, Mozilla or Thunderbird being most similar in use to mail software (as opposed to the way specialized newsreader software operates, which is a little bit different, though not much).

Quote:
And there is no "how to set your computer up for a newsgroup" guide on RME..very VAGUE.
news://news.x-networks.de/rme-audio.forum has a clickable link (news://news.x-networks.de/rme-audio.forum) If you have e.g. Mozilla installed, this will take you there almost automatically, you will just need to enter your email address and name. Even without that, there are only two parameters you need to know and configure in a newsreader software:
  • News server: news.x-networks.de
  • Forum: rme-audio.forum

It is very simple. No registration required. No login, either.
There are many general guidelines on sites like this: http://www.slyck.com/ng.php
(Just a quick pick on Google)

Quote:
HTML WEBFORUMS WILL REACH THE MASSES BETTER. PLEASE RME STOP BEING IGNORANT AND CREATE A WEB FORUM. dfegad
I would really appreciate if you could do this without constantly uttering insults.
Here's a quote from the above mentioned website which explains why we chose the newsgroup. "While all the world started to use internet forums (web boards) we still think these are too slow, too confusing and poor in both readability and thread handling". Please try to accept the fact that this is not just a matter of laziness or ignorance.

As you know, there is an alternative, the forum on the Synthax US website. Our US support team and other users provide help there.

OK, Here's a little scenario: We decide to create a web forum. Now what...? There is a distinct possibility that it will not be widely accepted, because most newgroup users simply prefer to stick around the newsgroup. (Things like that happen, I speak from experience here - The former SEK'D newsgroup is a case in point...). Now we could keep that hypothetical forum going, with or without much attendance, which would be rather time-consuming. Also, a new RME user would now have three places to choose from when looking for information (the old newsgroup, the Synthax forum, and the hypothetical RME forum). I would consider this far from ideal. We could simply close down the newsgroup to try and force everyone to join the forum. But many long-time users might not appreciate that at all and could decide not to join (or log on less frequently). It's probably what I would do in such a case (privately, that is)... And there would be two unwanted side effects: We'd have two competing fora again, and what would we do with all the information on the newsgroup? I don't know of any way to correctly and automatically transfer threads from the newsgroup to a forum. It would take time to fill the forum with information. The newsgroup could be set to read-only, but then there would still be three places to look for information... Not good...

I believe it's best the way it is now: A newsgroup for the "1990s computer people", the official Synthax forum for those who prefer a web forum (if you think the Synthax forum is not happening, why not help to make it happen...?), and there are places like this. You will find other RME users, and I will be here from time to time (one of the mods has promised to mail when he sees something that requires our attention).

I hope this is something you can live with. And I hope to have made it clear that it's not as simple as "STOP BEING IGNORANT AND CREATE A WEB FORUM"...

Sorry for the long post. This will be the last one on the forum issue for me.

Regards,
Daniel Fuchs
RME
Old 28th July 2006
  #108
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RME Support
If you have e.g. Mozilla installed, this will take you there almost automatically, you will just need to enter your email address and name. Even without that, there are only two parameters you need to know and configure in a newsreader software:
  • News server: news.x-networks.de
  • Forum: rme-audio.forum
It is very simple. No registration required. No login, either.
There are many general guidelines on sites like this: http://www.slyck.com/ng.php
(Just a quick pick on Google)
Thanks for the info, I'll try it out on Mozilla tonight!
Old 28th July 2006
  #109
RLA
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RME SUPPORT, Thank you for your reply to my questions. If you were a home recordist who didn't need a lot of I/O's, would you buy the 400 or 800? Would the "limiter" be that important to you? Do you expect the 800 to get a facelift or replacement anytime soon? Oh yeah. What about the (level ?) meter that's only avaliable for PC's, will there ever be a version for Macs? Thank You
Old 28th July 2006
  #110
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Thumbs up

Quote:
Originally Posted by RME Support
Hello,


It is like every other newsgroup. In fact, it's different inasmuch as it's more civilized than most other newsgroups... Right above your posting there is an opinion of a customer who is strongly in favour of newsgroups. Are you willing to respect his opinion as much as you expect your own opinion to be respected? As in "To each his own"...? Or is this customer wrong...?


Now that is a basic fact of life, if you will permit me the comment...
Nevertheless, a good number of the RME newsgroup's members use Outlook for the purpose. But there are a number of alternatives, Mozilla or Thunderbird being most similar in use to mail software (as opposed to the way specialized newsreader software operates, which is a little bit different, though not much).


news://news.x-networks.de/rme-audio.forum has a clickable link (news://news.x-networks.de/rme-audio.forum) If you have e.g. Mozilla installed, this will take you there almost automatically, you will just need to enter your email address and name. Even without that, there are only two parameters you need to know and configure in a newsreader software:
  • News server: news.x-networks.de
  • Forum: rme-audio.forum

It is very simple. No registration required. No login, either.
There are many general guidelines on sites like this: http://www.slyck.com/ng.php
(Just a quick pick on Google)



I would really appreciate if you could do this without constantly uttering insults.
Here's a quote from the above mentioned website which explains why we chose the newsgroup. "While all the world started to use internet forums (web boards) we still think these are too slow, too confusing and poor in both readability and thread handling". Please try to accept the fact that this is not just a matter of laziness or ignorance.

As you know, there is an alternative, the forum on the Synthax US website. Our US support team and other users provide help there.

OK, Here's a little scenario: We decide to create a web forum. Now what...? There is a distinct possibility that it will not be widely accepted, because most newgroup users simply prefer to stick around the newsgroup. (Things like that happen, I speak from experience here - The former SEK'D newsgroup is a case in point...). Now we could keep that hypothetical forum going, with or without much attendance, which would be rather time-consuming. Also, a new RME user would now have three places to choose from when looking for information (the old newsgroup, the Synthax forum, and the hypothetical RME forum). I would consider this far from ideal. We could simply close down the newsgroup to try and force everyone to join the forum. But many long-time users might not appreciate that at all and could decide not to join (or log on less frequently). It's probably what I would do in such a case (privately, that is)... And there would be two unwanted side effects: We'd have two competing fora again, and what would we do with all the information on the newsgroup? I don't know of any way to correctly and automatically transfer threads from the newsgroup to a forum. It would take time to fill the forum with information. The newsgroup could be set to read-only, but then there would still be three places to look for information... Not good...

I believe it's best the way it is now: A newsgroup for the "1990s computer people", the official Synthax forum for those who prefer a web forum (if you think the Synthax forum is not happening, why not help to make it happen...?), and there are places like this. You will find other RME users, and I will be here from time to time (one of the mods has promised to mail when he sees something that requires our attention).

I hope this is something you can live with. And I hope to have made it clear that it's not as simple as "STOP BEING IGNORANT AND CREATE A WEB FORUM"...

Sorry for the long post. This will be the last one on the forum issue for me.

Regards,
Daniel Fuchs
RME
Thank you for the explanation Daniel. You are my hero .
Old 28th July 2006
  #111
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dwall
Thanks for the info, I'll try it out on Mozilla tonight!
There is more to the internet than web browsers... NNTP is a mature protocol. Some browsers support it, but a specialized newsreader will give you a superior experience. I use MacSOUP, but there are others on the Mac. Most others are descendants from John Norstads NewsWatcher. Some come from the unix heritage of the current Mac OS. I don't know the names of the Windows news clients, but I'm sure there are plenty.

One solution to the WWW/NNTP conflict could be to mirror the usenet group to a web based forum for the young ones that think the internet is something one views through a browser. Any post in the group will apear on the forum and vice versa, properly threaded. I've seen this somewhere, but it was years ago and I can't recall where.

Me, I'll stick to the RME usenet group while it's there. I follow several times more usenet groups than web fora. For instance rec.audio.pro. It takes me several times as long to browse through the smaller set of web based fora than the news groups. The difference is not subtle.

L
Old 29th July 2006
  #112
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Quote:
Originally Posted by larsfarm
...for the young ones that think the internet is something one views through a browser...
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Old 29th July 2006
  #113
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Quote:
Originally Posted by captain caveman
There was a time when computers used binary on pieces of paper too.
Times they are a changing.
True:-) Then again, not every change is progress.

L
Old 29th July 2006
  #114
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Can anyone with a Fireface, Cubase SX3 ...and a Mac tell me if it's possible to choose the 8192 buffer setting offered by RME? I'm getting conflicting answers from elsewhere. Someone from Steiny says it's dependant on the Drivers of the interface, and someone from RME's Distribution said it's solely dependant on the "host" thru coreaudio.
I now have the Metric Halo I/O, but the buffer only goes up to 2048, and I'd like to be able to purchase an RME & use 8192 for mixing, if this is possible. I know RME "offers" this higher buffer, but perhaps Macs & PC allow differnt settings for the same Drivers???
Thanks
Eric
Old 29th July 2006
  #115
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Quote:
Originally Posted by davidespinosa
This is a message for Daniel and any other people who represent companies on GS.

I will hold your company responsible if you are impolite, sarcastic, profane, etc.

If you want to get another GS id for your own personal points of view, I'm all for it. Then you can be a jerk, use foul language, etc, and I won't hold your company responsible, even if I know it's you.

But if you're representing your company, I expect to be treated like an important customer who paid big $$$ for a high-end piece of audio gear. Even when I'm acting like an ignorant jerk!

BTW Daniel, nothing you said was horrible, but you didn't have the proper "customer's opinion is valuable" attitude about the RME forum. So I thought I'd warn you in advance, since I'm considering buying a RME interface and don't want my decision to be biased by a possibly unprofessional customer support rep.

Thanks, and I hope this helps!

BTW, I think it's awesome that RME has someone here to answer questions. It really shows that they stand behind their products and want to support the customer after the sale. Every company should do that. Rock on!

David


Get [email protected]#ked ass hole.


I feel for the RME guy.

He has come on here to answer questions about the FF400 and is met by dickheads complaining about a newsgroup.
Get a life ass holes.
Old 29th July 2006
  #116
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Strong language pingu! tutt

As a former owner and very likely future customer of RME I have a right to comment on the fact I don't like newsgroups.

If nobody gave feedback to companies then they wouldn't know how their customers feel.

tutt tutt tutt
Old 29th July 2006
  #117
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RME Support
The FF 400 uses a combined ADDA chip (AK 4620), while the FF800 has separate chips (5385/4395). S/N and THD for AD are almost identical, DA specs are marginally better on the FF800.
The preamps, however, have been slightly improved.

Regards,
Daniel Fuchs
RME Support
Will it be possible to mod the preamps on the FF800 to bring them up to FF400 specs?

Thanks

matt
Old 30th July 2006
  #118
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I love my FF800. What a GREAT piece of gear. I tested the E-MU 1820M, the Onyx 400F, the Presonus Firepod...the RME is the most expensive, but hands down the best of all that I have tried.

The only thing that I miss once in a while from previous "cards" are the Onyx pre's. They are silky and classy for the money...the RME are fine for extra channels, so what I don't run through the ADL-600 is OK through the RME for this home studio.

I visit a lot of forums, and I think this is the first where I have witnessed an RME grudge.
Old 30th July 2006
  #119
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MattiMattMatt
Will it be possible to mod the preamps on the FF800 to bring them up to FF400 specs?

Thanks

matt

I'd like to know this, too. The new mobo smell hasn't worn off my FF800 yet, and I am hearing that the next model down has better pre's?

LOL...time for another glass of wine...

Best,

Mark
Old 5th August 2006
  #120
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any reports to share yet ?
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