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Old 23rd February 2012
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I thought it might be interesting to have a choice to use a track to create 'bigger chords'.
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Old 23rd February 2012
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I'm having troubles trying to download the trial version. I fill in the asked info, but the email I got in response has no link at all, just confirm a mailing subscription.
Normally you should have received two confirmation emails with your login credentials and the download links to the software and the demo files. Those are sent immediately. Did you check your spam folder?

The mailing subscription is sent after these, and has a different reply-to address.

Please send us an email at support@re-compose.com from the email address you used to register the trial version so we can check our systems for errors! Thanks.
Old 23rd February 2012
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This is a great product, let me know when u are offline and I will buy in heartbeat
Thanks. For us the only way to an offline version will be a partnership with one of the sequencer companies to join forces for direct access to Liquid Notes functionalities on the sequencer tracks.
We're working on it, weighing out the options ...
Old 23rd February 2012
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Thanks. For us the only way to an offline version will be a partnership with one of the sequencer companies to join forces for direct access to Liquid Notes functionalities on the sequencer tracks.
We're working on it, weighing out the options ...
Uhhh cool.. im in if you can get it offline.
- Maybe the Presonus (studio one) folks are open mindede for that taks ?
(maybe they could extend their ARA ting to work with midi also !!!)
Old 23rd February 2012
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I thought it might be interesting to have a choice to use a track to create 'bigger chords'.
/cheers
If I got your question right, then that's easily done:
With function "Add Tension" active, Liquid Notes will produce additional notes. So for instance, when you change a simple Cmaj for a Cmaj7(9), you will then hear C-E-G-B-D.
"Add Tension" may be applied to any track in the piece, also more than just one. With chord tracks the effect will come out best.
Old 24th February 2012
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"Add Tension" may be applied to any track in the piece, also more than just one. With chord tracks the effect will come out best.
I will do a vid about it as soon as i have time (couple of days)- just explored it and think it deserves some attention
Go Tensions!
Old 24th February 2012
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I will do a vid about it as soon as i have time (couple of days)- just explored it and think it deserves some attention
Go Tensions!
Old 2nd March 2012
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I'm sincerely curious why aren't more people interested in this kind of software.

I mean there is no ego-bruising especially if you know what you are already doing (like swedrian showed us).

I just find it rather strange in a forum where people have no problem (to put it mildly) to get a gear that puts "magic mojo" on their tracks.. but they have a problem (like in the previous pages) with a software that aids inspiration and composition..

No baiting... just curious from a psychological point of view.
Old 2nd March 2012
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I agree there is definitely a need for more midi composition tools like this. If the price indicates the R&D for this type of product that might be the reason there isn't as many options available already.
Old 2nd March 2012
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I agree there is definitely a need for more midi composition tools like this. If the price indicates the R&D for this type of product that might be the reason there isn't as many options available already.
Is there anything similar at all? I'm also in the boat "cloud - no go". My studio computer is offline and although I do a lot of composing on the road, insane roaming fees don't help there either.
Old 4th March 2012
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I agree there is definitely a need for more midi composition tools like this. If the price indicates the R&D for this type of product that might be the reason there isn't as many options available already.
I think you nailed a point.
This is a somewhat new territory so this means there isn't a lot to build upon.

So this means they have to start from scratch and that always costs.

Anyway I think this is a great first tool...

I think if you really need this kind of tool the cloud operation wouldn't bother you that much. If you live or work remotely you can always have a small modem.

I imagine it wouldn't cost that much for the amount of data exchange needed.

As long as it protects their investment and allows them to make more great software I understand why they chose to go on the cloud path.
Hopefully going on a cloud based system means less piracy and less support costs.

And really I can't think of a single software that does what this thing does...
Old 13th March 2012
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This is a great product, let me know when u are offline and I will buy in heartbeat
Add me to this list.
Old 13th March 2012
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any chance of a GS discount?

Old 27th March 2012
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I stumbled upon this article on their site that for me personally was helpful in clearing some of the misconceptions regarding a tool like this:

Liquid Notes - A New Workflow: Enabling creativity and turning chaos into order

Liquid Notes will help you with your creative workflow in completely new ways, apart from the rather technical workflow of getting the production together you're already used to.

Think of the usual creative workflow: It's not a straightforward process. You only start with a few chunks of musical data first, which can easily be handled in Liquid Notes only. Then, after transferring the files to your DAW, you start using virtual instruments and step by step keep expanding your piece by adding different new elements.

Maybe you'll only need Liquid Notes to help you with a harmonic progression completely out of rhythm in the beginning, which you'll then re-import into the DAW and do all the musical fine tuning there. Switch back to your regular composition workflow and at some time get fresh ideas using Liquid Notes again, expanding its functions over the now broader arrangement.

Liquid Notes is all about expanding creativity and associated processes without limiting them, technically and cognitively. It might be very different from the apps you're used to working with. It's not simplicistic and not broken down to a few basic elements for everyone to easily do some neat tricks which will wear out after a while.

It allows you to access a vast reservoir of knowledge in music theory. Creativity is born from chaos. Gradually chaos turns into order.

Liquid Notes will support exactly that, helping you condense and concentrate your composition from the "white sheet of paper" all the way through to the final result. The more intricate a piece is getting, the more sophisticated changes of the entire arrangement Liquid Notes will allow: only a few abstract (yet sophisticated) ideas in the beginning, a lot of intelligence towards the final production.

You incorporate the program into your regular workflow as often as necessary. Use it only on certain limited segments of a piece or apply it to everything. Ideally it will "dynamize" your composition and production workflow.

It is possible to import a completed piece into Liquid Notes and then reharmonize the entire arrangement, without restrictions in length.

Or you can use it at any stage of a production workflow, bring harmonic variation to monotonous segments, draft interesting chord patterns from only the most basic starting material (like a simple series of C Major chords), create melodies perfectly fitting the respective harmonic context, improvise polyphonic lines in real time, etc.

Liquid Notes to harmony/composing is what mastering tools are to stereo audio files. It simply improves what you are already doing.
Old 27th March 2012
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If I got your question right, then that's easily done:
With function "Add Tension" active, Liquid Notes will produce additional notes. So for instance, when you change a simple Cmaj for a Cmaj7(9), you will then hear C-E-G-B-D.
"Add Tension" may be applied to any track in the piece, also more than just one. With chord tracks the effect will come out best.
Actually no,

I was thinking that if the program could output a channel (separate) of just the chord progression with say some fine tuning option to choose how big the chords are (eg 5,6+ keys).

Sometime if you are working with a arrangement that only has 2-3 parts of melodies you will still be stuck up for choosing the backing chords. You may not be able to define the true sound of the Chord while only hearing 2-3 melody parts

The 'add tension' aspect is cool though, which works great on chord tracks.
Old 27th March 2012
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not to rain on the parade here, (this software is a cool idea, and may have some educational value for budding young composers), but i can't see any viable market for it, especially at the suggested price point!

- there's no pro level composer anywhere that's gonna take the time to export midi files, then wait for a piece of software to make chordal suggestions on a remote server somewhere!, and then re-import the software's ideas into their sequencer! it's a cumbersome process that would destroy workflow for most: any self-respecting composer could just play/program/audition variations in a few seconds/minutes if they wanted to make changes to their composition. (and what happens if you like the changes!? do you credit the remote server in the liner notes, and split the royalty cheque with it? )

- singer/songwriter types that may be interested in spicing up their harmony are generally pretty few and far between, and the ones that are, already have the ears/chops to do it on their own. it's much more about the words and melodies with that crowd anyway. also the vast majority are far more comfortable writing with a guitar in their hand or a piano in front of them: not in front of a DAW with an active internet connection!

- DJs!? interested in paying money to achieve more complex harmony!? that's a rare and elusive beast if ever i heard of one! (i'll call national geographic to do an in-depth feature when you find one...)

- bedroom prodoocerz... maybe, but they'll all wait for the crack!

sorry, i hope i'm not coming across as a jerk here, just pointing out a few serious flaws that should have been discussed in the "business plan" stage of this endeavor. if this software was re-purposed as a tablet and/or iphone app and sold for $4.99 it would make total sense as a fun/cool educational tool... and those devices are always connected to the network: many DAWs are not.

IMHO you have some serious re-tooling to do with this product.


cheers, and best of luck.
Old 1st April 2012
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not to rain on the parade here, (this software is a cool idea, and may have some educational value for budding young composers), but i can't see any viable market for it, especially at the suggested price point!
Hi there sound music,

Thanks for your post! I agree with you. With most of your points you're stating the obvious. And that's not at all what we intended Liquid Notes for.

One technical correction here: real-time reharmonization doesn't require online calculations, only the initial harmony analysis does, and only once. We have previously posted explanations why we can't take the analysis algorithms offline.

More complex harmony doesn't necessarily mean conventional harmony from a traditional point of view. Add gradual changes over time, throw in a few "complexity elements" here and there and voilà, you've also raised the level of experience for the listener. DJ's do love that. That's how their music works ideally. Time to call National Geographic!

So Liquid Notes is more about computer power and interactivity. For instance, think of a trance piece with 500+ bars of 50+ voices. You're looking for minor harmonic changes but interesting ones that'll keep the track spicy. With Liquid Notes that's done with only a few clicks. It will instantaneously adjust all voices to the new harmony environment. The DAW I/O should remain a side issue.

Presentations of multiple versions on the fly become simple, too. I'm picturing a situation in the studio with clients present and a lot of time pressure on your shoulders.

What hasn't been stressed enough is another live aspect of the software: polyphonic live improv and melody correction. We haven't featured these aspects in our communication yet. We're taking one step after the next.

You've definitely thrown in some interesting thoughts. Products like this will remain in the process of improvement, and we're constantly re-evaluating our strategies with music professionals.

Cheers,
Stefan
Old 2nd April 2012
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cheers stefan, i love that there's smart people out there making software that promotes the importance of thick/rich/juicy/interesting harmony! regardless of whether or not it becomes a bestseller, it's cool that you guys are developing this.

sincerely hope it catches on with whichever crowd you intend to market it to. (although i'm still not sure exactly who that is?)

all the best.
Old 2nd April 2012
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cheers stefan, i love that there's smart people out there making software that promotes the importance of thick/rich/juicy/interesting harmony! regardless of whether or not it becomes a bestseller, it's cool that you guys are developing this.

sincerely hope it catches on with whichever crowd you intend to market it to. (although i'm still not sure exactly who that is?)

all the best.
People like me is who!!!

Anyways I'm still interested in this product, although I'm over the trail period I to choose to buy it now, I'm not entirely convinced it did/does what I'm after well enough. Much of the time I didn't notice it 'correcting' any of my harmonies, but it was useful for changing chords that is true.

I also didn't get into the live use of the program.... The price is steep, for IMO those who are actual composers take their work very seriously, even writing scores of the music for sight reading...

I think if there was a good sale I'd buy it up, but I'm not convinced it's not abandon-ware. But I still think it's useful, that's why I'm still interested...
Old 2nd April 2012
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This software is really something out-of-the box. Once you figure it, it became a very usefull tool when inspiration is not on your side. The wonderland would be an Ipad version!
Old 3rd April 2012
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Adding Tensions with Liquid Notes

hey guys!

I just created another video! this time I demonstrate how to add tensions to harmonies/chords which generally tends to make them more interesting... more spicy!. Another cool tool by Liquid Notes.

Enjoy!

Adding Tensions with Liquid Notes - YouTube
Old 3rd April 2012
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Thank you! Great video
Old 9th April 2012
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Thank you! Great video
Im glad you appreciated it
Old 9th April 2012
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Always
Old 22nd May 2012
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LIQUID NOTES. Now available as offline version for your desktop.

Thread will be continued here.
Old 12th December 2012
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New version: Instrument library and track assignment in Liquid Notes

Instrument library and track assignment

Yesterday we released an important update of Liquid Notes, the intelligent composing assistant that helps you with chords, scales and harmonic movement. You can now assign instruments to each track, or change the instruments saved in a MIDI-file.

This enables you to work without a sequencer and to get to results fast and fairly flexible.




For those who don't know Liquid Notes yet, here are some of its key features:

- Intelligent harmonic analysis and reharmonization for the manipulation of chord functions, substitutions, tensions, as well as harmonic movement/cadences of multi-track MIDI arrangements, with only a few clicks.
- “Effect optimization” of your compositions by comprehensive harmonic variation.
- Flawless live improvisation and melody creation on a MIDI keyboard through auto-correction of wrong notes in real time.
- Harmonic adjustment of new instrumental tracks in the arrangement.
- Use prearranged music templates of different styles to create your compositions from scratch.
- Automatic multi-track MIDI routing to all major sequencers. No connection via VST, AU, or RTAS necessary.
- Built-in synthesizers to run the program independently from any additional music software.

Liquid Notes is available for Mac and Windows. It works with all DAW's or standalone.

You can download Liquid Notes on our website! Or buy it here.


Purpose and advantage of the instrument library
The instrument library includes a satisfying amount of basic instruments, ranging from percussion to bass, leads, pads, mallets, classical instruments, and a variety of other sounds.

Here is an overview of the most important advantages:
  • You are on the go and need to quickly improve your composition/production with Liquid Notes.
  • You don't use sequencers but you still want to work on music.
  • You are not able to connect to your hard drive which contains your sequencer's sound and instrument library.
  • You don't have the time or desire to open your sequencer to work on your composition.

Further, a MIDI-filter enables you to filter MIDI-events by type. This prevents that information concerning devices and software connected with Liquid Notes is not manipulated unintentionally.

Here's a video of the instrument library in action:




Liquid Notes Xmas Special
We would like to say thank you for all the feedback provided so far and give you something in return: Liquid Notes is now available for EUR 99.-- (incl. 20% VAT) / USD 109.-- (excl. sales tax) until December 31, 2012. To redeem this discount please enter "XMAS2012" at checkout - simply press the "buy-button on our website.

You can find more information about the Xmas Special in this article.


Other changes
The update of Liquid Notes brings along a range of improvements in usability, analysis, reharmonization, and installation. Also, some known bugs have been corrected - most importantly, no restart is required after updating Liquid Notes.


Download, Feedback and Support
Download Liquid Notes here, or buy it on our website! If your trial period expired already, you can ask for reactivation direct inside Liquid Notes after starting the software.

For feedback and support please reach out to support@re-compose.com!


Enjoy the best Liquid Notes so far!

Re-Compose Team
Old 15th December 2012
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I love that LN is getting better and better.

Will test further all the new features but from my initial feelings this update is really good. I'm so glad it's maturing and this only means it will be more and more used over here.

Before I had some rare hiccups that required restarting the SW but after testing the new version for some time there isn't any in sight.

Also the live improvisation works flawlessly now and is just amazing!

For the price on sale now it's an fantastic deal for anyone interested in composing better music using midi.

Before I was getting more and vsts doing the sameish VA sounds or libraries costing way more that this great SW but once I started to work with LN I got better and more diverse results with the tools I already had as it provided way more inspiration than just "new toy honeymoon".

Can't wait to see what LN becomes and what these guys do next
Old 30th August 2013
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New update is here: Liquid Notes 1.4.1.1

For those of you who haven't seen it, and as this thread has been kind of replaced by another one, there is an update of Liquid Notes that brings much better control and song navigation. See for more information here - https://www.gearslutz.com/board/produ...duction-3.html

As always, there's more to come soon!

cheers,
bliquid25
Old 14th October 2013
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Liquid Notes 1.5: The best Liquid Notes ever!

A major step forward, with a completely new UI

Only days ago we have released a major update of Liquid Notes which features a redesign of the user interface, additional features like a track view and single-track to multi-track import for Ableton Live users. And, best of all, you can now get Liquid Notes for the special price of $99.95 for a short period only at participating retailers!



Put all of the above together, this makes it the simplest solution to edit complex harmonic progressions for single-track or multi-track arrangements, and yet makes the theory of harmony fully accessible to the user.

Here's a look at the detailed changes of this update:

Better usability
  • Main control elements on the screen have been reassigned and repositioned for a better operation of the application
  • Additional drop-down lists with all available chords have been added for easier adjustments of a setting
  • "Limit zoom level" in Settings enables you to select if chords shall turn into fading lines when reaching the minimum display width of the control elements of a chord box
  • Additional quick menu item for reharmonize settings added to quick menu bar
  • Multi-combination feature of control knob has been eliminated

Enhanced overview
  • Addition of a track view providing a high-level overview of your musical arrangements on a single-instrument level *

More stability
  • Inclusion of Java Runtime Environment in the installation package for Mac to prevent issues if Java is not available or up-to-date on your local computer

Improved support for Ableton Live
  • Addition of an import feature for single tracks that allows building them into a multi-track arrangement in Liquid Notes

Further work has been done under the hood and in areas reported by customers. Read more on our blog about it.

Download and update
The update is free of charge for those who purchased a license of Liquid Notes already. Download it from our website, and run the installation - no need to deinstall an old version of the software!

If your trial has expired, please click on "Reactivate trial period" in the licensing info box when launching Liquid Notes or contact us at support@re-compose.com!


Any feedback is very welcome!

cheers,
bliquid25 (and the Re-Compose Team)


*: A more granular piano roll that presents information on a single-note level is not included in this update.
Old 15th October 2013
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I'm interested. Who are the participating retailers?
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