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Behringer FCA1616
Old 7th December 2013
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fca610

has anybody been able to resolve the headphone problem with these units
when using powered monitors[truths]
it is unusable as an interface in most small studio setups that dont have a separate room to the control room to work in which is probably most of us
has there been a firmware update that addresses this
thanks
Old 8th December 2013
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I'm happy to report that I was able to get MIDI working on Win8 but I had to install a firewire card. It still doesn't work with the USB connection on Win8 so the issue is with either the USB driver or Win8 and I haven't heard from Joe if his team was able to reproduce the problem. At this time I'm not going to upgrade the firmware since it's working they way I want it to for now and I don't want to have to deal with trying to figure out how to revert if it becomes necessary. I'm just going to enjoy it and try and get some stuff recorded.
Thanks for posting.

Just purchased a new FCA1616 firmware # 8421 and the MIDI via Firewire/Win8 was dead (all else appeared fine). Upgraded to current firmware #8427 and MIDI now works - all appears fine, but I believe the output is now louder (could be my imagination - never thought to test before doing so Simple tests for now - will report any issues.
Old 8th December 2013
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guys, just got my fca1616. uploaded the latest firmware and all works fine both in fw and usb mode. did compare it with my friend's super expensive RME unit and it's right up there. really clean preamps and no noise. ill get the 610 as well for my portable studio. so far no issues and couldn't be more happy..
Old 9th December 2013
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has anybody been able to resolve the headphone problem with these units
when using powered monitors[truths]
it is unusable as an interface in most small studio setups that dont have a separate room to the control room to work in which is probably most of us
has there been a firmware update that addresses this
thanks
Dear Darcy,
The way to workaround this is to feed the control room monitors from Outputs 1/2 and create a separate headphone mix in the DAW and send it to Outputs 3/4, which can feed the talent via the 2nd front headphone output with the 3/4 switch engaged. When feeding your headphones from Outputs 3/4, the Master volume will not affect the headphone signal. This also allows you to have a separate mix in the headphones from what you hear on the studio monitors. Hope it helps!

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John DiNicola
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MUSIC Group
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Old 9th December 2013
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Is it possible to run TWO (or more) FCA1616 on a mac at 96k and get 16 outputs?

If they wouldn't link directly could you do a Mac Aggregate Device with both plugged in to Mac with FW and clock one off the other with ADAT | S/PDIF?
Dear Hotshot,
I have spoken with our development team and after testing this out we cannot officially recommend it. While it appears to work, audio clicks and glitches may appear due to Core Audio itself.

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Old 15th December 2013
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Hi everybody,

i just installed the fca1616 and it's working fine but can somebody explain how i use the inserts option? I hooked up an equalizer the way it is described at fca1616 quickstart but it doesn't get a signal. Nothing goes in, nothing goes out (i think). Am i missing something? Being a newbie with this kind of inserts it wouldn't be strange if i overlooked a button. :-)

By the way; i am working with Cubase 6, Windows 7 64 bit.

Kind regards,
André

Last edited by Semistultus; 15th December 2013 at 11:05 AM.. Reason: Provided more info.
Old 16th December 2013
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Dear André,
Are you using the proper cable? You will need an insert cable, which is a Stereo (TRS) 1/4" to 2 Mono (TS) "Y" cable, such as this Hosa model: Hosa Technology Stereo 1/4" Male to 2 Mono STP-202 B&H

For the channel you wish to insert the EQ into, plug the Stereo TRS end into the insert jack on FCA1616, then connect the "Tip" cable to the input of your EQ and the "Ring" side to the output of your EQ. Connecting the Stereo TRS end into the FCA1616 should automatically enable the insert, no button pushes needed. Now, any signal going through that channel to your computer will first go through the EQ.

Let us know how you make out!

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Old 16th December 2013
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Dear André,
Are you using the proper cable? You will need an insert cable, which is a Stereo (TRS) 1/4" to 2 Mono (TS) "Y" cable, such as this Hosa model: Hosa Technology Stereo 1/4" Male to 2 Mono STP-202 B&H

For the channel you wish to insert the EQ into, plug the Stereo TRS end into the insert jack on FCA1616, then connect the "Tip" cable to the input of your EQ and the "Ring" side to the output of your EQ. Connecting the Stereo TRS end into the FCA1616 should automatically enable the insert, no button pushes needed. Now, any signal going through that channel to your computer will first go through the EQ.

Let us know how you make out!

Best,
John DiNicola
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MUSIC Group
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Hi John,
Thanx for your great support. I did exactely what you described (with the right cable) but i will give it a try again tomorrow. If i don't succeed i will post pictures of the cable and the way i connect it.
But it looks terribly easy. :-)

Cheers,
André
Old 18th December 2013
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Dear André,
Are you using the proper cable? You will need an insert cable, which is a Stereo (TRS) 1/4" to 2 Mono (TS) "Y" cable, such as this Hosa model: Hosa Technology Stereo 1/4" Male to 2 Mono STP-202 B&H

For the channel you wish to insert the EQ into, plug the Stereo TRS end into the insert jack on FCA1616, then connect the "Tip" cable to the input of your EQ and the "Ring" side to the output of your EQ. Connecting the Stereo TRS end into the FCA1616 should automatically enable the insert, no button pushes needed. Now, any signal going through that channel to your computer will first go through the EQ.

Let us know how you make out!

Best,
John DiNicola
Senior Specialist, Product Support
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
I'm feeling amazingly silly now. After a lot of thinking and trying i realized that hardware inserts aren't going to work within Cubase. Cubase uses software inputs and not the hardware inputs on the soundcard. When i use insert effects on the input where i hooked up my Novation Mininova synth it is working fine.

I made a beginners mistake and will walk the walk of shame from now on.
Old 18th December 2013
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has anybody been able to resolve the headphone problem with these units
when using powered monitors[truths]
it is unusable as an interface in most small studio setups that dont have a separate room to the control room to work in which is probably most of us
has there been a firmware update that addresses this
thanks
I'm considering buying one. Based on the description of the controls from the rep in a previous post, I don't think it can be changed in firmware. (A block diagram would help). It seems, mysteriously, that they hardwired the #1 headphone out in 'series' with the mains control instead of 'parallel' (i use the terms loosely). If that's true, it seems a poor design choice but perhaps there was a reason like wanted to keep gain path to main outs more 'direct' (unmulted) etc, idk. If if is hardwired that way, someone may come up with a mod in the future.
It would be nice to get clarification on this.
Old 18th December 2013
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I'm feeling amazingly silly now. After a lot of thinking and trying i realized that hardware inserts aren't going to work within Cubase. Cubase uses software inputs and not the hardware inputs on the soundcard. When i use insert effects on the input where i hooked up my Novation Mininova synth it is working fine.

I made a beginners mistake and will walk the walk of shame from now on.
Dear André,
Not to worry, glad you have figured it out. I could have been more clear, in that the hardware inserts on the FCA1616 are meant for processing your signal before it is recorded to your computer. One example of use would be running your mic signal through an external compressor, to keep levels from clipping the A/D converters and/or to achieve a certain desired sound specific to that outboard compressor. Let us know if we can help with anything else!

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Old 19th December 2013
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This is not what I meant when I asked about the power specs of the headphone out. What I wanted to know is how much power it can pump into a 32 or 64 ohm headphone in mW.
I join this question but from other angle. I have Beyerdynamic DT880 Pro 300ohm headphones and i want to be sure there will be enough power to make them work properly without any external amps.
Old 20th December 2013
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Dear André,
... the hardware inserts on the FCA1616 are meant for processing your signal before it is recorded to your computer....

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John DiNicola
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Ok I just ordered one. As others have said, 8 mic preamps would've made it really killer. But that's what the ADA8200 is for right? Anyway I like the inserts. Funny thing about them though... 5-8 are redundant and not needed since they are for line inputs. BTW +4/-10 switches on the line ins woulda been nice.
Old 20th December 2013
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I haven't been able to record with this piece of **** without freaking clicks under any setting. I've tried, from 256 to 512, to 1024 hell also on 2048 and manyy different settings for many months without success..

Just the same problems, problems, problems, problems on any effing mac I've tried so far (and on my hackintosh as well)

Future customers please be aware. ALSO there is a freaking loud whining on the unit while monitoring, no matter what I change, it's always there, this is for me the worst studio purchase I have done EVER.
Old 20th December 2013
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Hello !
anyone using this interface with a win7 pc via usb ?
are you experiencing problems ? of which kind ?
Thanks a lot
Regards,
gino
Old 20th December 2013
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Void have you tried changing your buffer settings or reinstalling the drivers? Had to do a bit of tweaking but it was rather easy. Honestly, I couldn't be happier - very clean mic pres and no audio issues whatsoever. pm one of the behringer guys here if you cant get it to work.
soutrain no problem with headphone volume. im using a sennheiser headset and that thing is whacking loud.
Old 21st December 2013
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I haven't been able to record with this piece of **** without freaking clicks under any setting. I've tried, from 256 to 512, to 1024 hell also on 2048 and manyy different settings for many months without success..

Just the same problems, problems, problems, problems on any effing mac I've tried so far (and on my hackintosh as well)

Future customers please be aware. ALSO there is a freaking loud whining on the unit while monitoring, no matter what I change, it's always there, this is for me the worst studio purchase I have done EVER.
Dear V0id,
I am sorry to hear that you are having trouble with your FCA interface. I can assure you these issues are not typical, especially in regards to a whining on any outputs. Perhaps there is an issue with your particular unit. Please contact our CARE department so that we can troubleshoot and make this right. You can reach them at 702-800-8290 in the US, or feel free to PM me directly and I will get you in touch with someone.

Best,
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Senior Specialist, Product Support
MUSIC Group
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Old 25th December 2013
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FCA1616 Mixer

Hi,

Are there any plans to provide a software mixer for the FCA1616 that allows you to route various inputs to various outputs (like the M-Audio series and the Focusrite Saffire Series)? Does it have the necessary DSP inside to enable this option for the future?

Something like this:


This would avoid the need to route live outputs at the DAW stage and give zero latency input monitoring - something I value highly when using my studio to record the whole band during rehearsals.

Cheers for your advice.
Old 25th December 2013
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Hi all,

I am looking for an interface to do the following: RME Octamic preamps through ADAT out > ADAT in to interface to USB > Windows 7 laptop.
As my budget is tight after buying the RME and I only need the ADAT and headphone monitoring options of the interface for mobile recording, I think this Behringer FCA1616 might be worth considering.

But what I don't seem to find: how is the software provided with the Behringer?
As I will only use the RME preamps and the ADAT connection, I need to send the ADAT signals to the right outputs etc. (routing), as in RME's TotalMix.
How is this with Behringer?
Can anyone post a screenshot and/or comments on how it works, if it is stable, what about latency etc.

Thanks a lot! Merry Xmas!
Old 26th December 2013
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Hi all,

I am looking for an interface to do the following: RME Octamic preamps through ADAT out > ADAT in to interface to USB > Windows 7 laptop.
As my budget is tight after buying the RME and I only need the ADAT and headphone monitoring options of the interface for mobile recording, I think this Behringer FCA1616 might be worth considering.

But what I don't seem to find: how is the software provided with the Behringer?
As I will only use the RME preamps and the ADAT connection, I need to send the ADAT signals to the right outputs etc. (routing), as in RME's TotalMix.
How is this with Behringer?
Can anyone post a screenshot and/or comments on how it works, if it is stable, what about latency etc.

Thanks a lot! Merry Xmas!
I'd strongly recommend the focusrite 18i8 for your needs. Their mix software gives you all the routing you could ever want - any input to any output - plus their tech support is excellent AND you can store setups to the unit iteslf for standalone operation.

Scarlett 18i8 | Focusrite
Old 26th December 2013
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I'd strongly recommend the focusrite 18i8 for your needs. Their mix software gives you all the routing you could ever want - any input to any output - plus their tech support is excellent AND you can store setups to the unit iteslf for standalone operation.

Scarlett 18i8 | Focusrite
Thanks, but I would need something that fits a 19"rack...
What about the Presonus AudioBox 1818 vsl?
Old 27th December 2013
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Thanks, but I would need something that fits a 19"rack...
What about the Presonus AudioBox 1818 vsl?
I've no experience of the Presonus but if you;re able to go that high in price, the Focusrite 18i20 would fit the bill. Presonus might be able to too - and I think it has some DSP effects built in (addressable by software) but the manuals I found weren't too clear on whether the software they provide is the full production suite that you're expected to use or whether the routing could be enabled in addition to your own DAW/production software.

The behringer does NOT have a mixer/router control application - you'd have to use the inserts and solder up some splitter leads. Messy!

I have used the focusrite mixer software, however, and it's excellent - exceptionally versatile and you can instantly switch between different setups just by tabbing through. I sound like a focusrite fan boy, I know, but the Saffire 24 that I've been using is near perfect - just not USB. The 18i20 is USB and 19" rackmountable with ADAT in and out plus wordclock out.

R
Old 27th December 2013
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I have both the facA610 and fca1616 and don't miss the router at all , assigning channels is real easy either by cable or on the daw side.
in fact I don't want an extra dsp in the signal chain as it only adds more latency. one of the big advantages of the behringer's is that they only have around 7ms latency which is lower than most interfaces. Not as good as the rme ones but they also come at a much higher price tag. some of my buddies bought the 1616 and are real happy with it.
I am not keen on the presonus stuff, my friend had one and real issues with the drivers. my 0.02
Old 27th December 2013
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Hey all, I'm a bit of a new member, but I really need some help with my FCA610.

I can't get it to work/connect to my PC.

I'm not new to audio interfaces, I had a M-Audio Fast track pro that worked really good, but I needed something better so I decided to upgrade.
I have a AMD FX 6300 overclocked at 4 GHz with 8GB of RAM running on Windows 8.1. I'm using Samplitude Pro X

At first I tried connecting via firewire which didn't work very good. I had constantly dropouts and noise added to my tracks. Software monitoring was almost impossible. I tried to bump buffer size up, with no luck at all.
So I decided to try USB, and it got worse, it would only function for one minute before the FCA610 disconnected or blocked my PC. tried with different buffer sizes and the same thing happened over and over, so tried to return to firewire and to my surprise, I can't connect to firewire any longer. I only get the power Led on, but cant connect the firewire red led, it stays off. Tried to reinstall both drives, assure if connections were well made, upgraded the firmware and with no luck at all. Don`t know if I have a faulty unit or if I`m doing something wrong.

Edit: I managed to get the firewire to work again, but still with the same problems. :(

Any help?
Old 28th December 2013
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I have both the facA610 and fca1616 and don't miss the router at all , assigning channels is real easy either by cable or on the daw side.
in fact I don't want an extra dsp in the signal chain as it only adds more latency. one of the big advantages of the behringer's is that they only have around 7ms latency which is lower than most interfaces. Not as good as the rme ones but they also come at a much higher price tag. some of my buddies bought the 1616 and are real happy with it.
I am not keen on the presonus stuff, my friend had one and real issues with the drivers. my 0.02
I agree with Axeman about DSP effects but for monitoring during recording, using the DAW to route signals introduces latency which using the interface itself to do the routing does not. So you use the dedicated mixer software not to generate the routing itself, but to instruct the audio interface to do the routing within it's own signal flow. That way you get near-zero latency in your monitor mix - you're not relying on the speed of your computer or the efficiency of your drivers to achieve the mix.

The interface receives and converts the incoming signal and then sends it to whatever outputs you've selected and AT THE SAME TIME sends it to your DAW to be recorded.
Old 28th December 2013
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Hey all, I'm a bit of a new member, but I really need some help with my FCA610.
Dear Nicknamealguem,
I am sorry to hear that you are having trouble with your FCA610 interface. I will send you a PM with my contact information, if you are able to send us a short clip of the noise that may help us troubleshoot.

I am not aware of a known issue with Windows 8.1, but I will check with our Development and CARE teams first thing Monday to see if anyone is experiencing these issues with a similar configuration and follow up here.

We are here to help!

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Old 28th December 2013
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@John D. That for all your great support here.
Can you connect a second FCA1616 to a first one, the same way you can connect a ADA3200? (via ADAT)
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Is there a way to get more than 16 inputs? Can you chain more than 2? Can you connect more than 1 to DAW?- I found answer on Behringer forum. No. seems 16 is max. not a prob.

Got mine a couple days ago. Reporting 10.8ms (Win7/64)-but
haven't recorded or multitracked yet etc.
Will be returning a Tascam us-1800. (too big, no inserts, no stereo input monitor)
Wishlist for future hardware models: No. 5 is a complaint.
1) Make headphone vol independent of mains so you don't have to turn off speakers to use headphones.
2) 8 mic pres : )
3) If keeping 4 mic pres, use inserts 5-8 for something else. Like maybe line inputs 9-12 (or even 9-16) >Line inputs don't need inserts, its just makes you need another insert cable <
4) Maybe put channel controls next to each mic pre, it might save space too. Rolloffs could be removed if space was really needed.
5) Line ins (pairs at least) need -10/+4 switches, or to just be changed to -10. I guess they are close to +4 now? I can sometimes get hot gain, but I have to modify presets in my Vox Tonelab. But in my Korg Z1, I can't seem to get full gain,even if I try editing. They need to be -10, because you can turn stuff down but not up beyond max!
6) I really like the mono/stereo monitor switch,mix control, and inserts. Make it almost a standalone practice mixer. Would be nice for each mic pre to have a mono switch too (odds switch from left etc)...likewise at least each pair of line ins having a mono switch.
Old 29th December 2013
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@John D. I agree with el touristo - it's good to have a company insider giving advice and support. It gives users a feeling of safety when we splash our hard earned cash!

Can you tell us whether the FCA1616 will get a mixer/routing application in the future?

Robin
Old 29th December 2013
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Just finished a recording that took me a few weeks and im really happy with it. These fca mic pres do sound real good especially for vocals and acoustic guitar. you can hear that midas had a hand in the design. frankly i don't miss the router/mixer at all as for me sound quality is what matters.
had a chat with a sales rep from sweetwater and while he couldn't give me details he said that rme and behringer will launch new interfaces at namm. cant wiat to see the new stuff
need new studio monitors. any suggestions?
Old 29th December 2013
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had a chat with a sales rep from sweetwater and while he couldn't give me details he said that rme and behringer will launch new interfaces at namm. cant wiat to see the new stuff
need new studio monitors. any suggestions?
Oh don't tell me that lol... I just got this one! Well you aren't thinking they'll bring a model to replace the FCA1616, are you?
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