Waves NLS & 64 bit (v9)
Old 5th March 2012
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personally i think its a great idea. i cant wait for the day all companies offer to let you download your licenses onto your own usb stick, if you want. hard drive based if you dont, surely thats the best of both worlds? portability without the issues of the dreaded proprietory dongle.

hats off to waves, in the past ive cursed their policies like everyone else but with their new pricing and now this, they really are looking like a company thats willing to move forward.
Old 5th March 2012
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Now I have to stick an iLok and USB stick to my computer. That´s two sticks, not one! One was already too much!
+1 agreed.

Nevertheless, 64bit will be a breath of fresh air esp on large complex mixing sessions, it's so lame to be only able to view one wave plugin interface at a time. Bring on the 64 bit already! I can't wait. anyday now...

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Old 5th March 2012
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Nevertheless, 64bit will be a breath of fresh air esp on large complex mixing sessions, it's so lame to be only able to view one wave plugin interface at a time. Bring on the 64 bit already! I can't wait. anyday now...

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I don't get it. How will 64 bit help large complex mixing sessions?
And right now you can open as many Waves plugin interfaces as you want - have been able to for years. Am I missing something obvious here?
Old 5th March 2012
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I don't get it. How will 64 bit help large complex mixing sessions?
And right now you can open as many Waves plugin interfaces as you want - have been able to for years. Am I missing something obvious here?
Yep. If you're working in 64 bit, you can only have one 32 bit plugin window open at a time, because in 64 bit mode, all 32 bit plugins work through a 32 bit bridge mode - at least that's the way it is in Logic Pro. Which is a PITA! And it uses more CPU resources, and buggers with the buffer rate. I recently started running LP 9 in 64 bit, and due to Waves 32 bit, had to increase buffer from 64 to 256, and still getting noise!

To Waves, hurry up already! AFAIK it' due sometime in March?

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Old 5th March 2012
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Looks like a lot of other companies (Plugin Alliance) are moving away from iLok too ... So I guess something happened like a considerable increase in the charge from iLok.

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Plus ilok has proven to be not exactly secure so I am not surprised companies are wanting to shy away from it.
Old 5th March 2012
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Looks like a lot of other companies (Plugin Alliance) are moving away from iLok too ... So I guess something happened like a considerable increase in the charge from iLok.
A guess or fact? Pace wouldn't kill themselves off like that. Only two companies (Waves & Plugin alliance) left iLok. There are many who still use it. My guess is they listened to customer feedback in regards to easier licensing and recovery. iLok was secure for a very long time until recently and anything designed for iLok2 & Eden has not been touched (vcc, autotune 7, McDSP 6030, etc.) so it still works.

My issue is how invasive on our computers is plugin alliance & waves going to get so it really works. So far this new style of protection has not protected anything.
Old 5th March 2012
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A guess or fact? Pace wouldn't kill themselves off like that. Only two companies (Waves & Plugin alliance) left iLok. There are many who still use it. My guess is they listened to customer feedback in regards to easier licensing and recovery. iLok was secure for a very long time until recently and anything designed for iLok2 & Eden has not been touched (vcc, autotune 7, McDSP 6030, etc.) so it still works.

My issue is how invasive on our computers is plugin alliance & waves going to get so it really works. So far this new style of protection has not protected anything.
Plugin Alliance is more than one company, hence the alliance ...

But this plus Waves is what I have noted. There must be a reason. Personally, however, I have always been happy with iLok. It makes it easier to reinstall a lot of plugins, when you need to build your DAW pc from scratch again.
Old 5th March 2012
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Plugin Alliance is more than one company, hence the alliance ...
One company, Brainworx, developed all of those plugs.
Old 5th March 2012
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A guess or fact? Pace wouldn't kill themselves off like that. Only two companies (Waves & Plugin alliance) left iLok.
and nomad.

plugin alliance are seperate companies, spl, brainworx, noveltech, maag, chandler and lots more. its just that one looks after the most of the coding (i presume noveltech is just a native port rather than a recode?).
Old 5th March 2012
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Yep. If you're working in 64 bit, you can only have one 32 bit plugin window open at a time, because in 64 bit mode, all 32 bit plugins work through a 32 bit bridge mode - at least that's the way it is in Logic Pro. Which is a PITA! And it uses more CPU resources, and buggers with the buffer rate.
Anton

Ahh gotcha. Running 32 bit plugins within a 64 bit host.
Us Pro Tools guys have it simple being stuck in 32 bit mode . . . . for the time being anyway!
Old 5th March 2012
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Only two companies (Waves & Plugin alliance) left iLok.
PSP left iLok.
Nomad Factory left iLok.
Old 6th March 2012
  #222
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Overloud left iLok too.
I hope Avid next
Old 6th March 2012
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My take on this has changed, based on my recent experience. I'll try to sum this up quickly.

I was fine with the idea of an iLok. There were a number of plug-ins and sample libraries I wanted at the time that used the iLok, so I bought one and really haven't had any problems using it. I think the one thing that sort of irritated me was that I couldn't remove some the expired demo trials from the iLok. So when it ran out of slots for licenses, I went out and bought an iLok 2 a couple of months ago. Not happily, but that's the price of technology, I suppose. And it worked fine until . . .

Cubase 6 crashed. I was unfreezing an instance of Superior Drummer 2 and it crashed. And from that point onward my iLok stopped working, although all indications were there was nothing wrong with the hardware - surely some file somewhere just got corrupted. But none of the audio software that depended on the iLok worked at all, getting an initialization error whenever the plug-ins were scanned. Waves wouldn't work. Antares Auto-tune wouldn't work. Celemony's Melodyne wouldn't work. Softube's Acoustic Feedback wouldn't work, etc.

So at least 4-5 vendors software would not work. I contact Pace for tech support. First email from them basically says "don't bother asking us for help". I contact Waves for tech support. Despite our best attempts over the phone, I get nowhere. I recontact Pace - they send me an automatic response to send my iLok in for replacement. No support at all.

I could see where this was going, and finally decided all I could do was reformat my hard drive and re-install all of my music software all over again - this takes a couple of weeks with my schedule.

Needless to say, I hope that all of the vendors that currently use the iLok to switch to some other form of CP. One that is both effective for the vendor and reliable for the end-user.

The iLok is fine except when it isn't, and that's the real story.

And yes, I am looking forward to Waves 9 w/o an iLok and particularly the NLS plug-ins
Old 6th March 2012
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Looks like a lot of other companies (Plugin Alliance) are moving away from iLok too ... So I guess something happened like a considerable increase in the charge from iLok.
I don't think they had any increases in pricing recently, but it's the fact that some manufacturers lost confidence in them.
Old 6th March 2012
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and nomad.

plugin alliance are seperate companies, spl, brainworx, noveltech, maag, chandler and lots more. its just that one looks after the most of the coding (i presume noveltech is just a native port rather than a recode?).
The Plugin Alliance is one company.

Brainworx bought the rights to produce, develop and distribute the plugins from those individual manufacturers as of January 1st.
Old 6th March 2012
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I don't think they had any increases in pricing recently, but it's the fact that some manufacturers lost confidence in them.
Great! So now I have to put USB stick alongside with my 3 other dongles already (if you don´t count my UAD-2 dongles). That makes 4 freaking sticks sticking out of my computer!

This makes me advocate piracy!!! (Although I don´t do it myself). These companies should get what they deserve for harassing legal users and making everything so freaking difficult for us!!!

These companies should be penalized!
Old 6th March 2012
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Great! So now I have to put USB stick alongside with my 3 other dongles already (if you don´t count my UAD-2 dongles). That makes 4 freaking sticks sticking out of my computer!

This makes me advocate piracy!!! (Although I don´t do it myself). These companies should get what they deserve for harassing legal users and making everything so freaking difficult for us!!!

These companies should be penalized!
There is never a good reason to advocate piracy or stealing!
Old 6th March 2012
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Great! So now I have to put USB stick alongside with my 3 other dongles already (if you don´t count my UAD-2 dongles). That makes 4 freaking sticks sticking out of my computer!

This makes me advocate piracy!!! (Although I don´t do it myself). These companies should get what they deserve for harassing legal users and making everything so freaking difficult for us!!!

These companies should be penalized!
Those companies don't force you to buy there plug-ins.......
Old 6th March 2012
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I think the original point was that the companies that were seperate before becoming one under Brainworx/Plugin Alliance all ditched iLok at that point. So I would still count the original seperate companies in a list of companies that ditched iLok.
Old 6th March 2012
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^^ this
Old 6th March 2012
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I think the original point was that the companies that were seperate before becoming one under Brainworx/Plugin Alliance all ditched iLok at that point. So I would still count the original seperate companies in a list of companies that ditched iLok.
I think that Brainworx was the one ghostwriting those other company's plugs before the "merger".
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I think that Brainworx was the one ghostwriting those other company's plugs before the "merger".
Correct. They were just taking control of products they developed under license for other people.
Old 6th March 2012
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Great! So now I have to put USB stick alongside with my 3 other dongles already (if you don´t count my UAD-2 dongles). That makes 4 freaking sticks sticking out of my computer!

This makes me advocate piracy!!! (Although I don´t do it myself). These companies should get what they deserve for harassing legal users and making everything so freaking difficult for us!!!

These companies should be penalized!
Penalized!?

It's ignorant posts like these that make people think it's ok to steal software. If nobody was stealing software then you wouldn't have to deal with copy protection systems.
Old 7th March 2012
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I think that Brainworx was the one ghostwriting those other company's plugs before the "merger".
Ah, fair enough.
Old 7th March 2012
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Great! So now I have to put USB stick alongside with my 3 other dongles already (if you don´t count my UAD-2 dongles). That makes 4 freaking sticks sticking out of my computer!

This makes me advocate piracy!!! (Although I don´t do it myself). These companies should get what they deserve for harassing legal users and making everything so freaking difficult for us!!!

These companies should be penalized!
It's not difficult, just say no & don't buy them. It's strange that you think they're harassing you though.
Old 7th March 2012
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Those companies don't force you to buy there plug-ins.......
Wrong info here ....if you buy a system at a time T and then few years ago the system change , then to use what you paid for , you have to change the system .....and that's the point here.....we're not talking about a gy that decide to first buy from a company ...i hold in this optic my buy for the vertigo ...buy i have some waves plugins already , wanna upgrade and buy new ones but this desert in infos is a pain ....

For the piracy stuff well the point of the guy , i think is that , in some case it's even better to use w....zed version than legit ...we're supposing that you bougth the legit version of course....and he's not saying that piracy is good ......

also piracy should demonstrate to manufacturers that all this gymnastic is for nothing except stressing gear addict like many of us
Old 7th March 2012
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Aha....didn't red the whole thread sorry, misunderstood his point!
Old 7th March 2012
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So anyway back on topic.
Does anybody know or want to speculate if the 64 bit version of waves plugs will run on a 32-bit system?
I'm using a command 8 with protools and am worried that the next version of PT won't work properly with the command 8 (will grumble about that in another thread)
That would mean I'm stuck on PT10 and 32 bit (angry!!) :(
but hopefully new waves plugs would still be compatible.
Old 7th March 2012
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So anyway back on topic.
Does anybody know or want to speculate if the 64 bit version of waves plugs will run on a 32-bit system?
I'm using a command 8 with protools and am worried that the next version of PT won't work properly with the command 8 (will grumble about that in another thread)
That would mean I'm stuck on PT10 and 32 bit (angry!!) :(
but hopefully new waves plugs would still be compatible.
perhaps PT could develop a 64 bit to 32 bit meter bridge - but i think that's unlikely. 64bit plugins don't work on 32bit systems.
Old 7th March 2012
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perhaps PT could develop a 64 bit to 32 bit meter bridge - but i think that's unlikely. 64bit plugins don't work on 32bit systems.
I guess it's more a question of whether Waves will have both 32 bit and 64 bit versions for a while
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