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Universal Audio Apollo interface
Old 31st March 2012
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Yea, but like UAD-1 it will likely be a dead end regarding new plugins when the next gen hits the market. The DSP section is what will make Apollo dated one fine day.
There are many 'classic' units that are still very highly regarded and sought after with DSP. I.E. Lexicon 480, H3000 - any hardware reverb in existence!

This box does a whole lot more than that. Even if you used it as a computer controlled realtime FX box as part of some future setup it will still be tremendously valuable!

The DSP will probably actually keep the unit from becoming dated.

UA also has a great history of supporting their products a long time. UAD1 cards even have current drivers. They may not be capable of running all the latest algorithms but the ones they can sound identical on UAD2. Just as good as they always have done.

My PCIe UAD2 quad cards are more likely to become dated than Apollo as computers transition away from slots altogether.

At least with the Thunderbolt expansion, they can potentially replace it with whatever interconnect comes out in future. Thunderbolt does look like it's here to stay though!

My Apollo quad shipped today to the UK, can't wait!
Old 31st March 2012
  #2192
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Can I just ask what you needed support for if it was easy to setup and install?
I t was easy to set up and install. I had already been using it for a couple of days successfully (mixing). No issues, yet. I am thrilled with the box.

Universal Audio called me to check on it. This was the first time I had ever talked to anyone at UA. They wanted to know about my experience as a user. No other company has ever done that for me. Of course they can't do that with every user, but I was impressed that someone took the time to check with some of the first users.
Old 31st March 2012
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What is the verdict on the converters?

Are they better than the Ensemble or at least equal to it? Please also indicate if you think the MR 816 sounds great so I know if I can trust your opinion. I've tried two units now against my better judgement and because of the overwhelming hype it gets on GS. I'm convinced the converters sound like total ass compared to a real interface like the Ensemble, but I've moved on to PC now so Apollo is looking real nice this summer when it will get WIN7 drivers.

If I don't care much about tracking with plugs simply monitoring a vocal or two at a time (and printing it in the box later) will the duo be just fine? Especially if I add another duo PCIe?

Thanks guys.

Please advise!
I also am interested in opinions/comparisons between Apollo's D/A conversion vs previous converters or interfaces you are coming from. (ie. Apollo D/A vs Mbox 3's, Dangerous D-Box or DAC, Apogee units, Lavry, Cranesong, etc)

LOVE the features, but the most important thing is how does it sound and it seems like that's discussed the least so far.
Old 31st March 2012
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I also am interested in opinions/comparisons between Apollo's D/A conversion vs previous converters or interfaces you are coming from. (ie. Apollo D/A vs Mbox 3's, Dangerous D-Box or DAC, Apogee units, Lavry, Cranesong, etc)

LOVE the features, but the most important thing is how does it sound and it seems like that's discussed the least so far.
that's the whole reason we're here
Old 31st March 2012
  #2195
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My name is Bobby. I track with plugins.

I have done recordings where I tracked with very clean and transparent gear, focusing on the arrangements versus the sonics, and left the mixing to the engineer. He commented that I should be more sure of the direction the sound was going from a creative standpoint; as a producer, I should be more committed to the way the audio fits in context while tracking versus leaving it to a mix engineer. I use plugs when I do not have hardware for tone-shaping, a process that is entirely subjective. The mix engineer may not grasp my vision or even have the same plugins. I know, I can do a rough mix and point in the general direction. However, I have developed an aesthetic that works for me. I use, albeit sparingly, compression (not EQ) on the way in as a commitment to preserve tone. I think I would prefer to do this with an Apollo!
Bobby, the difference is, when tracking with a piece of analog gear (mine is a GML 2020) I my compression (light) occurs before the A/D convertors in my current Steinberg MR816. (In bypass the pre's, using the often described aux insert). Thus, I'm able to completely avoid any chance to redline my convertors.
Not so when recording in the box with a digital insert, such as a UAD 1176, etc.
Sure, it will help you control the audio levels to disk, but you run the risk of the uncompressed vocal/audio triggering some red light action on the convertor.
Us old guys prefer the former, though I'm considering the move as In have copious amounts of UA plugs (still UAD1 PCIe card).
I have to think, as competent as the Steinberg is, the Apollo MAY have the edge sonically. I won't know till I demo one next week.
By the way, I suggest that those demoing an Apollo, give the pres a solid workout..female vocals, a fiddle/high strung flat-top, Jangling KEYS....
Seriously, I hope those who now have the Apollo will have great success, and I look forward to sharing info.
Old 31st March 2012
  #2196
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from UA Q&A:

Running UAD Powered Plug-Ins on the Apollo inputs in real time does not require 64-bit, because they are being processed by Apollo’s Console application instead of your DAW

Old 31st March 2012
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Found this video which shows the available buffer sizes on MacOSX:



And then a new video posted today



Recording sounds quite heavily unbalanced though one the right side. You can hear the compression working on live input though, which is something we haven't seen much of.
Old 31st March 2012
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I'd REALLY be interested if they modeled some preamps...Even if it wasn't perfect, different flavors would be awesome...

Here's a screenpic that was on the Sweetwater site and promptly pulled down...Hopefully, it alludes to this...
Still wondering about that Screenshot.. suppose this is not in the current version of the console ? Would be smoking if it was a beta and the next thing would be some preamp models ( should be possible after they proved non linearity doing great stuff with tape plugs )

Old 1st April 2012
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What will happen with the Apollo when UAD-3 is here? Imagine sitting on an interface now with built in UAD-1, that's the situation that will undoubtly happen.
I still run 2 uad1's... Mostly for the 1176 / La2a / Mastering plugs

I wish these were the original idea that ua had for an audio interface. Which was a uad1 with optical ports on it.


The one thing no one is talking about regarding Apollo... HOW ARE THE DRIVERS with low latency buffer settings? For playing virtual instruments.
Old 1st April 2012
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Still wondering about that Screenshot.. suppose this is not in the current version of the console ? Would be smoking if it was a beta and the next thing would be some preamp models ( should be possible after they proved non linearity doing great stuff with tape plugs )

Not to mention amp sims! Got two DI's on the front there...
Old 1st April 2012
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The one thing no one is talking about regarding Apollo... HOW ARE THE DRIVERS with low latency buffer settings? For playing virtual instruments.
Wondering the same thing. How is the Apollo for tracking VI's?
Old 1st April 2012
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Also with the Apollo coming with neutral preamps and the no latency feature, i'm sure UA will end up by doing preamps emulations like API, Chandler limited, or even their own 4-110 that sounds great and not anymore produced!!...
Hopefully it will be before UAD-3!
Preamp emulation, for some reason it sounds weird, but we see comps, limiters, eq's, tape recorders, why not preamps??
Agreed. I'm hopeful since UA emulated the entire signal path of the MP, they'll be thinking in that direction for existing and future designs. Obviously, there are certain limitations with emulating a preamp, but capturing the color of the pre would be pretty useful. Even bouncing tracks "through" the preamp plug could be pretty sweet!
Old 2nd April 2012
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Wondering the same thing. How is the Apollo for tracking VI's?
I'm considering either a PCIe interface (Apogee, RME, etc) or Apollo. I will primarily be using VIs and external synths. I'm wondering what the better option will be for:

a) using VIs with best latency

b) using FX on VI's and on external inputs

c) low latency for using external FX inserts into the DAW.

Also, what is the throughput latency with thunderbolt for the apollo? Will it allow close to Symphony performance (i.e, 3ms)?
Old 2nd April 2012
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Yea, but like UAD-1 it will likely be a dead end regarding new plugins when the next gen hits the market. The DSP section is what will make Apollo dated one fine day.
Everything will be dated one day...I have a storage room full of it. It's a non issue..buy it use it write it off. Enjoy life.
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Old 2nd April 2012
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I'd REALLY be interested if they modeled some preamps...Even if it wasn't perfect, different flavors would be awesome...

Here's a screenpic that was on the Sweetwater site and promptly pulled down...Hopefully, it alludes to this...
once again about that picture :



Is that a fake or rather a beta of something wicked coming up ? really curious about that additional window with the preamp...
Old 2nd April 2012
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UA are definitely working on classic vintage (and more) preamp models for the Apollo. It's a no brainer. That will certainly raise the bar even higher.
Old 2nd April 2012
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For someone who will be using many VIs and large sample libraries (Orchestral, etc), will the Apollo w/ TB have low enough latency to be able to deal with all this? Or should I be looking at a PCIe interface like Apogee, RME, etc? I want to be able to use my VIs and Samples through both UAD and non-UAD FX (like the latest lexicon reverb plug), so I need to know if the latency will be good enough with Apollo. I don't necessarily need to print FX, but it would be nice to monitor with UAD FX while printing dry. However, I also want to make sure that the throughput latency will be good enough for playing VI's/Samples through non-UAD native FX as well without problems. I suppose Pro Tools would be ideal, but I hear its not the greatest software for composing midi.

Anyone know?

Thanks
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Old 2nd April 2012
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No-one can tell you currently as Thunderbolt option isnt available.

Thunderbolt will provide PCI-E speeds, so it should be as good as any internal audio solution currently available. (UA have specifically said it will reduce latency and increase bandwidth)
Old 2nd April 2012
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once again about that picture :



Is that a fake or rather a beta of something wicked coming up ? really curious about that additional window with the preamp...
Someone posted it on the UAD board saying it was a screenshot from Sweetwater. I can't vouch for its legitimacy though. Don't know why anyone would fake it...

Preamp emus would make this much more interesting to me...
Old 3rd April 2012
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No-one can tell you currently as Thunderbolt option isnt available.

Thunderbolt will provide PCI-E speeds, so it should be as good as any internal audio solution currently available. (UA have specifically said it will reduce latency and increase bandwidth)
So, how do people feel about Apollo when it comes to using native plugins with VIs/Samples and latency?

Also, is Apollo going to work well with my outboard FX (compressors, EQ and reverb) on mixdown?
Old 3rd April 2012
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So, how do people feel about Apollo when it comes to using native plugins with VIs/Samples and latency?

Also, is Apollo going to work well with my outboard FX (compressors, EQ and reverb) on mixdown?
Am I the only one that doesn't understand the question?
Old 3rd April 2012
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Am I the only one that doesn't understand the question?
Yes you are the only one.<g>

I think the question is not phrased correctly. To the poster...the Apollo has Ins & Outs...they aren't proprietary - they work like any other audio interfaces ins & outs. The UA plugs are separate than the processor.

However there are no inserts ....so obviously not the optimum for detailed mixing.
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Old 3rd April 2012
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Inserts on the preamps would had been sweet.
Old 3rd April 2012
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Someone posted it on the UAD board saying it was a screenshot from Sweetwater. I can't vouch for its legitimacy though. Don't know why anyone would fake it...

Preamp emus would make this much more interesting to me...
Yeah.. just wondering.. so sweetwater might have had a unit with lets say UAD 6.4 Beta ?

I could really digg some nice flavours like V72, Neve and maybe Api ..

even just the idea makes me want it even more *grin
Old 3rd April 2012
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However there are no inserts ....so obviously not the optimum for detailed mixing.
Why would you need insert points for mixing? You only need them if you want to process the sound between the onboard mic pre and the A/D converter.

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So, how do people feel about Apollo when it comes to using native plugins with VIs/Samples and latency?
IO latency is really the only element that differs from interface-interface. VI/Samples/Native effects are all computed by the host CPU/RAM. From all accounts, the Apollo has the same amount (if not slightly improved) latency from other similar devices. Someone posted values of around 5.3ms at 32 samples/buffer at 44.1Khz. If working at 96Khz, this would be less than half this value.

For outboard, you have 8x8 IO for sending to hardware units and recieving back signals. A lot of devices have 8 outputs, but your stereo monitoring usually takes up two, leaving you with only 6 mono outputs, whereas you have a total of 8 with the Apollo.

Simply hook up say outputs 7&8 to your stereo reverb unit, then use 2 x Line input returns. You can then send audio out of the interface via a send in your DAW, and monitor the return and blend to taste.
Old 3rd April 2012
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Why would you need insert points for mixing? You only need them if you want to process the sound between the onboard mic pre and the A/D converter.
Brain fart...I was thinking tracking and writing mixing.
Old 3rd April 2012
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Brain fart...I was thinking tracking and writing mixing.
he,he, no worries.
Old 3rd April 2012
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Thanks. I can get 3ms rountrip latency with Apogee Symphony, and you say that one way (i.e, press keyboard and hear sound) with Apollo is 5ms? I'm not sure that this would be the best idea for someone who relies on playing VI's and large sample libraries and wants the best latency performance.
Old 3rd April 2012
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I believe that figure of 5ms was a full round trip. The DA was around the 3ms mark.
Old 3rd April 2012
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I didn't think FW could get that good latency. Most of what I've seen are around 9ms for round trip.
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