Universal Audio Apollo interface
Old 3rd March 2012
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Investigate, my friend.. No one out there is using real TB technogoly! Well not yet..
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That's not true you know. Heck, I already have a seagate drive adapter that operates on thunderbolt and the drive speeds while using are proof that it isn't just a converter, it's really Thunderbolt.

It's not some magic protocol that nobody can figure out. It just took a while for chipsets to trickle down to the developers...and they finally have.
@Category 5

We are talking specifically about audio interfaces here. According to Intel (according to BLA) no-one is currently bringing a true TB device to market (except BLA).

As I wrote below, I do not know if this is the case with the Apollo. It's not according to stakeoutstudios. Mind you, UA hasn't released the Apollo yet, let alone the TB interface.

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Don't know if this is definitive with respect to the Apollo, but...

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/so-mu...underbolt.html

If this is the case with the Apollo, $500 for the TB card really is robbery.

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Serious misinformation here now.

Metric Halo have released a FireWire to Thunderbolt adapter, obviously with limited bandwidth - effectively a PCIe card with FireWire ports on it. The purpose of this is so their many year old interfaces can hook up to new computers such as MacBook air.

The thunderbolt option in Apollo is not a hub, it is a true PCIe connection with enough bandwidth to be able to use its FireWire ports for other devices and Apollo behaving just like it was built on a PCIe card inside your computer.

There's even a block diagram in the hardware manual if you're in doubt.
Old 3rd March 2012
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I guess I was thinking that the low channel count on this was due to expansion plans in the future. However, for me, if I cant have at least two daisy chained, then it a no goer.

You also mentioned 'hooks' in the console code for controllers - any mention of Eucon support?
Eucon was referred to as definitely "being looked into"
Old 3rd March 2012
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did you have to sign an NDA .. any thoughts regarding AD/DA ?
Old 3rd March 2012
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Investigate, my friend.. No one out there is using real TB technogoly! Well not yet..
The burden of evidence typically falls on the person making a claim. That is, if this was a proper debate and not a long discussion and wild speculations on the internet about a product that hasn't touched a single customers hands... hah.
Old 3rd March 2012
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The burden of evidence typically falls on the person making a claim. That is, if this was a proper debate and not a long discussion and wild speculations on the internet about a product that hasn't touched a single customers hands... hah.

OK!
Let us know how TB works out for ya!
Old 3rd March 2012
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The brushing on the Apollo casing is more even, therefore, you will get more smooth frequency response due to less reflection. The drawback though is there is the added weight of the UAD-2 processor card inside the Apollo so that extra heaviness will saturate your low frequencies and give you a slight low end bump. The Lynx on the other hand is named after an actual large predator and the Apollo after a mad up god, so your chances of getting a good, "real" mix are better from the Lynx.

Hope that helps.
snicker snicker snicker !!
Old 3rd March 2012
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We are talking specifically about audio interfaces here. According to Intel (according to BLA) no-one is currently bringing a true TB device to market (except BLA). .
While we are all getting high on the vapour speculating...

IMO BLA are not talking about an interface, but a native TB controller which I suspect they will OEM and offer to the audio interface manufacturers , as I seriously doubt AU have rolled their own.

This is not uncommon, most audio manufacturers rely on 3rd party OEM controllers for FW/USB except for RME , this is no different.

Who's to say the ( delayed ) TB controller for UA is not in fact the one being developed by BLA..

As you were...
Old 4th March 2012
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While we are all getting high on the vapour speculating...

IMO BLA are not talking about an interface, but a native TB controller which I suspect they will OEM and offer to the audio interface manufacturers , as I seriously doubt AU have rolled their own.

This is not uncommon, most audio manufacturers rely on 3rd party OEM controllers for FW/USB except for RME , this is no different.

Who's to say the ( delayed ) TB controller for UA is not in fact the one being developed by BLA..

As you were...
It's for their Audio Interface.
Old 4th March 2012
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While we are all getting high on the vapour speculating...

IMO BLA are not talking about an interface, but a native TB controller which I suspect they will OEM and offer to the audio interface manufacturers , as I seriously doubt AU have rolled their own.

This is not uncommon, most audio manufacturers rely on 3rd party OEM controllers for FW/USB except for RME , this is no different.

Who's to say the ( delayed ) TB controller for UA is not in fact the one being developed by BLA..

As you were...
Didn't UA meet with BLA while they were developing the Apollo?
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Don't know if this is definitive with respect to the Apollo, but...

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/so-mu...underbolt.html

If this is the case with the Apollo, $500 for the TB card really is robbery.

That's a weird one. A year or two ago Intel was showing off a 192 i/o with thunderbolt connection (obviously co-developed between them and Avid) at one of their events. Considering the 192 i/o has never incorporated firewire or USB and is specifically used for PCI(e) interfaces, I'd imagine that was a true thunderbolt i/o.
It would be absolutely crazy if every single interface manufacturer apart from BLA had completely ignored thunderbolt for the last year or more, considering the millions of Macs being sold, especially with the majority of the audio industry being on macs.
A bit of salesmanship from BLA perhaps?
Old 4th March 2012
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That's a weird one. A year or two ago Intel was showing off a 192 i/o with thunderbolt connection (obviously co-developed between them and Avid) at one of their events. Considering the 192 i/o has never incorporated firewire or USB and is specifically used for PCI(e) interfaces, I'd imagine that was a true thunderbolt i/o.
It would be absolutely crazy if every single interface manufacturer apart from BLA had completely ignored thunderbolt for the last year or more, considering the millions of Macs being sold, especially with the majority of the audio industry being on macs.
A bit of salesmanship from BLA perhaps?
Well, many companies are wary of being bleeding edge. The vast majority of DAWs out there don't have thunderbolt yet. I bet many are waiting for a little more critical mass before launching new connectivity.

Also, in general, given the economic uncertainty of the past couple years, not a lot of companies have been doing much R&D and have been holding off from taking new products to a soft market. Notice the dearth of much interesting or new at NAMM this year?

Avid never took the TB 192 to market, did they? Was just a proof of concept?
Old 4th March 2012
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It's for their Audio Interface.
BLA have an audio interface in development , really ?

Well lets hear, don't keep us in suspense... :-)
Old 4th March 2012
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Am I the only one that thinks this could be really cool? Hell, wish I had one, thunderbolt, cross platform, super low latency, good amount of IO, built in pre's, UAD plugins, for that alone it seems very cool, not to mention everything else, on paper it seems great. Tell you what, everyone group together and put in a few bucks to buy me one and I'll let you all know how it is with a blow by blow account
Old 4th March 2012
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I know the Apollo comes with the Analog classics bundle, But I (mis) remember seeing Dreamverb being included in the bundle. Did I misread?
Old 4th March 2012
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Didn't UA meet with BLA while they were developing the Apollo?
Are you serious....... UA got better thing to do.......
Old 5th March 2012
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With all do respect to BLA but I highly doubt that Black Lion Audio will be the only ones with a "true thunderbolt" connection or even the first ... Especially before a company like Universal Audio... Let's get serious now people. Go watch one of the NAMM videos on the Apollo when the rep for Intel explained the Thunderbolt connection on the Apollo. All I see is "hating" and "reaching" now. I think it's fare to say that this thread has been dead for about a week or 2. It's just a bunch of "zombie posts" now .

Old 5th March 2012
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With all do respect to BLA but I highly doubt that Black Lion Audio will be the only ones with a "true thunderbolt" connection or even the first ... Especially before a company like Universal Audio... Let's get serious now people. Go watch one of the NAMM videos on the Apollo when the rep for Intel explained the Thunderbolt connection on the Apollo. All I see is "hating" and "reaching" now. I think it's fare to say that this thread has been dead for about a week or 2. It's just a bunch of "zombie posts" now .

Everyone! Go back to making music!!! Who cares what gear you have.... Let's make music, and help each other..
Old 5th March 2012
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I think it's fare to say that this thread has been dead for about a week or 2. It's just a bunch of "zombie posts" now .
I'm sorry but I have to disagree. I think my previous posts could be important for the non-zombies among us :


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Say you have a live situation and you want to process your instruments with UAD plugins (after all that's what they're advertising). Will it be possible to send multiple audio signals to different audio outs after being processed and without going to your DAW?

Example:
Drums 1-8 via ADAT -> UAD -> to analog out 1 and 2 (stereo)
Bass -> UAD -> to analog out 3
Vox -> UAD -> to analog out 4
Guitars -> UAD -> to analog out 5 and 6
UAD Reverb -> analog out 7 and 8

---> So all of them with UAD plugins and UAD Reverb sends
---> You need the multiple out signals to go to FOH / Recording / Processing / ...
---> You need to be able to still record the clean / dry signals for later mixing

I mean, if you first need to go into your DAW and redirect the audio signals from within your DAW, you lose the "realtime UAD processing" because your DAW's audio buffer size will be the party pooper :( ???

And for studio time my idea was to record multiple instruments, process them with UAD plugins and route them back out to provide a really pro sounding headphone mix.
You could give the musicians a perfect sounding drum, warm in your face vocals, a little verb on their instrument, ...
The 2 headphone outs are simply not enough and are too limited in functions.
I want to be able to provide at least 4 different headphone outputs and like I said, rerouting within your DAW looses the "realtime processing".
So it looks like you can only use the two aux outs for routing your UAD processed tracks back out without going to your DAW. That makes only 2 stereo outs with realtime UAD processing and obviously you loose the aux sends this way. I think that's a real pitty, and hope that UA will provide us with some more routing options (maybe with a software update). It seems strange to me that they didn't think of that, especially because they're also advertising to use the UAD realtime processing in live situations. Can't stress enough how important this could be for some of us.
Old 5th March 2012
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Hey weren't there hits done on four track machines?

I heard someone mention this before / Does it really matter anyway in a MP3 WORLD?
Sure, i.e. David Gray. But there are people that care about the sound, not just hits. I'm more into David Sylvian's or Peter Gabriel's way of thinking, which is strongly determined by the quality of gear thus the quality of sound.

Even a wet fart (not so unusual in sound design world) will sound better as a 24/48 wave through top notch mic, pre and converter, than as a typical 192 mp3 through mediocre mic, mediocre pre and mediocre con's. It will sound significantly more wet

Now relate it to music
Old 5th March 2012
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It's March.
(Still Freezing though)

Does anyone happen to know how good is the AD/DA on Apollo?
Old 5th March 2012
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Does anyone happen to know how good is the AD/DA on Apollo?
That's probably the most asked question in this thread.

Since no one has actually used one....
Old 5th March 2012
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It's March.
Musicians Friend says "due March 24"
Full Compass told me "due in stock at end of March"

I put more stock in those estimates.
Old 5th March 2012
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Old 5th March 2012
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I am most interested in its ADDA converters, as I need to upgrade my current ones. They say the converters are transparent (good for mastering), so, they are not similar to 2192 because this adds some color, the color will be added by the plug-ins.
Not true... and totally an urban legend. The 2192 is one of the most accurate converters I have ever used. Simply stunning. The 2192 did include class A analog circuitry before and after the converters though. If you pushed signal out of, or into the device at a level higher than is normally recommended for a digital device, it could cause some mild distortion in the analog circuitry that some found pleasing in an "old school" kind of way.

Converters, when clipped.. do not add warmth... they click or pop unless some kind of filter/gain reduction is used before the actual converter to keep the over from arriving at the conversion level.
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Not true... and totally an urban legend. The 2192 is one of the most accurate converters I have ever used. Simply stunning.
Ok, sure you´re right, so, they are quite accurate, but it´s said they add "something" nice to the sound.
Old 5th March 2012
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Did you know that UA2192 is not using any capacitors?
Once Apollo used 1 capacitor, Apollo has no reason to sound like UA2192.
By the way, UA2192 is said it loses high freq and lose reverb.

Anyway, Why isn't there anybody who listened to Apollo yet?
I thought some of you have sneaked into factory or office of UA.
Some of you could have had some something with president’s secretary of UA.

I have to say I may be disappointed.
Old 5th March 2012
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Now you all got me confused. Is the Apollo converters the same as the 4-710d or the 2192?
Old 5th March 2012
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neither, apparently
Old 5th March 2012
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This is STRAIGHT from Universal Audio on their Facebook page...

"There seems to be some misunderstanding regarding our Apollo audio interface's Thunderbolt capabilities, resulting from a (now deleted) post on another audio company's Facebook page. To be 100% clear, Apollo's Thunderbolt I/O card was co-developed with Intel, and is absolutely providing "true" Thunderbolt. It is far beyond a simple hub. You can think of Thunderbolt as a big "pipe" — one that can carry data streams including PCIe, FireWire, USB, HDMI, DisplayPort, and more. The fastest and highest-bandwidth of these data streams is PCIe — which is exactly what we've implemented in the Apollo Thunderbolt I/O card. Please feel free to post questions here, or contact us at info@uaudio.com. Thanks."

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Unive...io/23477253356

I hope that puts that nonsense that was on BLA's Facebook page (which they deleted) about the Apollo not having a "true" Thunderbolt connection to rest.

Like I said in my previous post, watch the NAMM video on the Apollo where the INTEL REPRESENTATIVE explains the Thunderbolt connection on the Apollo... Not A BLA rep.
Old 5th March 2012
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Who's to say the ( delayed ) TB controller for UA is not in fact the one being developed by BLA..
There you have it, the Thunderbolt I/O interface for the Apollo was co-developed with Intel (not BLA or some OEM nonsense) and has true Thunderbolt speed capabilities. Intel developed Thunderbolt, so who better for UA to partner with than with the actual company that created it.

Cheers,

Billy Buck
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