Universal Audio Apollo interface
Old 2nd March 2012
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Either way, I don't see what is so hard about adding the additional AUX's since the software routing is already there for the two they already have. Unless they were concerned with GUI real estate I just don't understand why they didn't do it. Plenty of other interface mixers offer way more routing than even that....
Yeah you got me thinking ...
Say you have a live situation and you want to process your instruments with UAD plugins (after all that's what they're advertising). Will it be possible to send multiple audio signals to different audio outs after being processed and without going to your DAW?

Example:
Drums 1-8 via ADAT -> UAD -> to analog out 1 and 2 (stereo)
Bass -> UAD -> to analog out 3
Vox -> UAD -> to analog out 4
Guitars -> UAD -> to analog out 5 and 6
UAD Reverb -> analog out 7 and 8

---> So all of them with UAD plugins and UAD Reverb sends
---> You need the multiple out signals to go to FOH / Recording / Processing / ...
---> You need to be able to still record the clean / dry signals for later mixing

I mean, if you first need to go into your DAW and redirect the audio signals from within your DAW, you lose the "realtime UAD processing" because your DAW's audio buffer size will be the party pooper :( ???
Old 2nd March 2012
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Something actually somewhat relevant:

I just heard back from my dealer at Vintage King Audio. I placed my pre-order with them as soon as it was available on their site.

I finally received a response earlier today about a shipment inquiry. Supposedly, these are tentatively shipping on the 2nd week of March. I hate that word.., "tentatively."

I'll post the updates as I get them... I'll be able to do a very quick review of the unit. It will be put thru its paces. It's going to be clocked off a Burl B2 Bomber, and utilizing an InnerTube SumThang (summing mixer) into my mixbuss outboard. At least I'll be able to verify functionality of all of the analog ins/outs and SP/DIF input and clocking functionality.

I promise to post a demo of one of my tracks through it. Hopefully, it all works!

Kind regards,
Phil
Old 2nd March 2012
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I am going to guess that you can't go AUDIO > UAD > AUDIO OUT... just a hunch but they are not really building a LIVE FX processor just giving you the ability to monitor through the FX for headphone/tracking purposes and I think the cues have to be set up in the DAW

Also would it really be worth the hassle or expense? I love UAD emulations but the subtle "better" of them really won't be something anyone would be able to tell vs. some of the better, more road-rugged boxes or even pedals. It's like how guys will play their $25,000 Les Paul gold top in the studio but tour with a $2,000 copy - not worth the hassle, risk or expense for so little gain.
Old 2nd March 2012
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I am going to guess that you can't go AUDIO > UAD > AUDIO OUT... just a hunch but they are not really building a LIVE FX processor just giving you the ability to monitor through the FX for headphone/tracking purposes and I think the cues have to be set up in the DAW

Also would it really be worth the hassle or expense? I love UAD emulations but the subtle "better" of them really won't be something anyone would be able to tell vs. some of the better, more road-rugged boxes or even pedals. It's like how guys will play their $25,000 Les Paul gold top in the studio but tour with a $2,000 copy - not worth the hassle, risk or expense for so little gain.
I understand what you're saying but having more routing options is also very handy in the studio:

My idea was to record multiple instruments, process them with UAD plugins and route them back out to provide a really pro sounding headphone mix.
You could give the musicians a perfect sounding drum, warm in your face vocals, a little verb on their instrument, ...
The 2 headphone outs are simply not enough and are too limited in functions.
I want to be able to provide at least 4 different headphone outputs and like I said, rerouting within your DAW looses the "realtime processing".

Oh and about that LIVE FX PRocessor - From their site:
Can I use Apollo in a live performance situation?
Apollo is a great solution for playing back prerecorded material from your DAW while also being able to process live sound with UAD plug-ins. Imagine being able to use a Lexicon 224 Digital Reverb as your reverb onstage, or adding an LA-2A Compressor on your vocals to front of house instantly, or adding creative effects like the Roland RE-201 Space Echo to your guitar in a live performance. This is all possible with Apollo.
Old 2nd March 2012
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I understand what you're saying but having more routing options is also very handy in the studio:

My idea was to record multiple instruments, process them with UAD plugins and route them back out to provide a really pro sounding headphone mix.
You could give the musicians a perfect sounding drum, warm in your face vocals, a little verb on their instrument, ...
The 2 headphone outs are simply not enough and are too limited in functions.
I want to be able to provide at least 4 different headphone outputs and like I said, rerouting within your DAW looses the "realtime processing".

Oh and about that LIVE FX PRocessor - From their site:
Can I use Apollo in a live performance situation?
Apollo is a great solution for playing back prerecorded material from your DAW while also being able to process live sound with UAD plug-ins. Imagine being able to use a Lexicon 224 Digital Reverb as your reverb onstage, or adding an LA-2A Compressor on your vocals to front of house instantly, or adding creative effects like the Roland RE-201 Space Echo to your guitar in a live performance. This is all possible with Apollo.
I agree with you on it being a cool option (and stand corrected on the Live FX thing!) It's excellent that UAD seems to be trying to cover as many bases as possible
Old 2nd March 2012
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I suppose I should d/l the manual and see, but I thought someone might have the same idea...
manual is split into hardware and software
no software manual out yet
Old 2nd March 2012
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I have a scenario for you guys. Let's say the UA 4-710 was a full fledged audio interface (add analog outs, headphones and firewire) but with no UAD. Which one would you choose?
Old 2nd March 2012
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My point is, Thunderbolt is cheap technology. If TB was costly, Apple wouldn't be throwing it in as a penny-for-penny replacement for the DVI interface. I used Apple as an example exactly because it is a premium price.
Even if it is cheap technology, it doesn't mean it will necessarily be cheap to integrate into a unit like the Apollo. The price (if $500 even is the price...that seems to be called into question) seems to be right in line with the USB and Firewire option cards for things like Apogee and Lynx converters, various digital mixers, etc...those are cheap technologies as well, are they not?

And again, regardless of how much it costs...Apple will sell many more times the number of displays than UA will interfaces. And if a technology-driven thing like a display is selling for the same price that it did what, two years ago?...then that is essentially the same thing as the price going up, is it not?

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There will be nothing special about the UA TB card. It will be an Intel chip with a TB connector on a PCB board with a flange. All the internal software, the ability for the Apollo to recognize and use Thunderbolt, will be in the Apollo as part of its firmware.
How do you know that's what it will be? The option cards I've seen seem to have a bit more to them than that. And either way, even if most of what's required for it to work is built into the Apollo, it's still got to be paid for. Should that cost be covered only by those who actually use the Thunderbolt option, or should it be spread across all users?
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Old 3rd March 2012
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I have a scenario for you guys. Let's say the UA 4-710 was a full fledged audio interface (add analog outs, headphones and firewire) but with no UAD. Which one would you choose?
Whichever had better conversion! EASY!
Old 3rd March 2012
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Even if it is cheap technology, it doesn't mean it will necessarily be cheap to integrate into a unit like the Apollo. The price (if $500 even is the price...that seems to be called into question) seems to be right in line with the USB and Firewire option cards for things like Apogee and Lynx converters, various digital mixers, etc...those are cheap technologies as well, are they not?

And again, regardless of how much it costs...Apple will sell many more times the number of displays than UA will interfaces. And if a technology-driven thing like a display is selling for the same price that it did what, two years ago?...then that is essentially the same thing as the price going up, is it not?


How do you know that's what it will be? The option cards I've seen seem to have a bit more to them than that. And either way, even if most of what's required for it to work is built into the Apollo, it's still got to be paid for. Should that cost be covered only by those who actually use the Thunderbolt option, or should it be spread across all users?
I saw a TB adapter on the Metric Halo website. This adapter was only 250.00. In my experience as a computer and audio guy, most aftermarket adapters usually cost A LOT more than an upgrade card. The man who said if they charge 500.00 for a TB, feel Gouged is 100% correct.

Another point is this... Firewire 800 is 800mbps vs TB at 10gbs = No brainer upgrade for anyone serious about their music and may not want to sprint for an AVID HD or Symphony card.
Old 3rd March 2012
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I saw a TB adapter on the Metric Halo website. This adapter was only 250.00. In my experience as a computer and audio guy, most aftermarket adapters usually cost A LOT more than an upgrade card. The man who said if they charge 500.00 for a TB, feel Gouged is 100% correct.

Another point is this... Firewire 800 is 800mbps vs TB at 10gbs = No brainer upgrade for anyone serious about their music and may not want to sprint for an AVID HD or Symphony card.
Research it.. 95% of Thunderbolt is just a FireWire or USB conversion..
Sucks but true!!
In this case the TB "adapter" is 800mbps.
Old 3rd March 2012
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Research it.. 95% of Thunderbolt is just a FireWire or USB conversion..
Sucks but true!!
In this case the TB "adapter" is 800mbps.
that's all?
Old 3rd March 2012
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Research it.. 95% of Thunderbolt is just a FireWire or USB conversion..
Sucks but true!!
In this case the TB "adapter" is 800mbps.
Sources?
Old 3rd March 2012
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Old 3rd March 2012
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Research it.. 95% of Thunderbolt is just a FireWire or USB conversion..
Sucks but true!!
In this case the TB "adapter" is 800mbps.
If that is true that AU are just funnelling FW thru the TB port, this thing is going to fall on its arse... !

I seriously doubt they would be that stupid.
Old 3rd March 2012
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Serious misinformation here now.

Metric Halo have released a FireWire to Thunderbolt adapter, obviously with limited bandwidth - effectively a PCIe card with FireWire ports on it. The purpose of this is so their many year old interfaces can hook up to new computers such as MacBook air.

The thunderbolt option in Apollo is not a hub, it is a true PCIe connection with enough bandwidth to be able to use its FireWire ports for other devices and Apollo behaving just like it was built on a PCIe card inside your computer.

There's even a block diagram in the hardware manual if you're in doubt.
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Old 3rd March 2012
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Hey Jules, anymore feedbacks on the Apollo?

Can't wait to have a go!

Cheers
Old 3rd March 2012
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Sources?
Investigate, my friend.. No one out there is using real TB technogoly! Well not yet..
Old 3rd March 2012
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Investigate, my friend.. No one out there is using real TB technogoly! Well not yet..
Ok, again just to clarify - if you're talking about Apollo that is 100% real thunderbolt.

I you're in doubt, read the hardware manual and look at the block diagram.

Yes some vendors are releasing hubs to make old products compatible with MacBook air.
Old 3rd March 2012
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UA are working on daisy chaining Apollo units. They aren't making promises but know there is demand for it.
Hi Jules,

Can you clarify this statement? As far as I was aware it was always the intention to be able to daisy chain units at some point in the future as it states this on their website (presumably after TB arrives?). Does this statement simply mean that they are going to try to have this function available sooner as there will be demand for it? Or does it mean that daisy chaining may not be available?

It will be interesting to see if the headphone channels and aux channels scale up with additional apollos, and if its transparent i.e. on apollo one you can route ANY input to the HP1 channel on apollo two etc. Hopefully with the large TB bandwidth this shouldn't be a problem. Other interfaces I was considering (MH ULN8) always had compromises with routing between two boxes when scaling up.
Old 3rd March 2012
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I gotta get 1 when it comes out but im kind of mad that i gotta wait til september to use it since im a PC user
Old 3rd March 2012
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Hi Jules,

Can you clarify this statement? As far as I was aware it was always the intention to be able to daisy chain units at some point in the future as it states this on their website (presumably after TB arrives?). Does this statement simply mean that they are going to try to have this function available sooner as there will be demand for it? Or does it mean that daisy chaining may not be available?

It will be interesting to see if the headphone channels and aux channels scale up with additional apollos, and if its transparent i.e. on apollo one you can route ANY input to the HP1 channel on apollo two etc. Hopefully with the large TB bandwidth this shouldn't be a problem. Other interfaces I was considering (MH ULN8) always had compromises with routing between two boxes when scaling up.
As past experience informs me, sometimes you can't stand over a manufacturer armed with with a whip and a chair and a burning question, to force an outcome that you might like. (lord knows I have tried enough times in the past...) You can only hope. The vibe I got from the demo evening was - they will definitely be working on it. Thats as far as I could tell you from the answers I got. No signed contract written in blood but a "we definately know people want it and will be working on it.
Old 3rd March 2012
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Hey Jules, anymore feedbacks on the Apollo?

Can't wait to have a go!

Cheers
The pizza was tasty?
Old 3rd March 2012
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I gotta get 1 when it comes out but im kind of mad that i gotta wait til september to use it since im a PC user
Get a mac. U in dade? Wut it dew?
Old 3rd March 2012
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As past experience informs me, sometimes you can't stand over a manufacturer armed with with a whip and a chair and a burning question, to force an outcome that you might like. (lord knows I have tried enough times in the past...) You can only hope. The vibe I got from the demo evening was - they will definitely be working on it. Thats as far as I could tell you from the answers I got. No signed contract written in blood but a "we definately know people want it and will be working on it.
I guess I was thinking that the low channel count on this was due to expansion plans in the future. However, for me, if I cant have at least two daisy chained, then it a no goer.

You also mentioned 'hooks' in the console code for controllers - any mention of Eucon support?
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