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Universal Audio Apollo interface
Old 26th February 2012
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I was sold on the Apollo, but now I have second thoughts (since I already have the 4-710d). If the Apollo and 4-710 have the same converters and the 4-710 has better mic preamps, I may get one of those interfaces that have a good set digital connections. This will allow me to use the 4-710 converters instead of the interface converters. Theoretically, this should sound as good or better than the Apollo, without the UAD. If it don't I'll simply sell what I have and get the Apollo. It sounds like 4-710 would be a good match for the Apollo. But, they both do almost the same thing, but one has DA and UAD-2.
Except the Apollo doesn't appear to have the same converters as the 4-710d. Go on to the UA website and download both user manuals. Go to the specifications page and compare specs in the AD/DA sections. Very, very different.
Old 26th February 2012
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News flash...

A bunch of great artists don't mean sh*t!

A great room don't mean sh*t!

A U87 don't mean sh*t!

A great preamp don't mean sh*t!

A Neve console don't mean sh*t!

A ton of great outboard don't mean sh*t!

A Burl converter don't mean sh*t!

Not to the guy with the 003 Rack sitting in his bedroom or basement using VIs for almost everything, with perhaps a DI'd guitar or bass, and maybe a $300 Chinese mic and a Reflexion filter for a vocal booth.

None of that means sh*t to that guy, who is part of a very large market, and who just found out that Pro Tools 11, which will be 64-bit and allow him to run all of the VIs he can stand, probably will not work with his 003 Rack.

But the Apollo, which he (or possibly his dad/mom), can buy from Musician's Friend or Guitar Center (or Sweetwater or Vintage King) will mean a great deal to him...

And it's probably going to mean a sh*tload of money for UA...

Last edited by bdenton; 26th February 2012 at 03:06 AM.. Reason: I left out a bunch of I's (and the word "converter")
Old 26th February 2012
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I was sold on the Apollo, but now I have second thoughts (since I already have the 4-710d). If the Apollo and 4-710 have the same converters and the 4-710 has better mic preamps, I may get one of those interfaces that have a good set digital connections. This will allow me to use the 4-710 converters instead of the interface converters. Theoretically, this should sound as good or better than the Apollo, without the UAD. If it don't I'll simply sell what I have and get the Apollo. It sounds like 4-710 would be a good match for the Apollo. But, they both do almost the same thing, but one has DA and UAD-2.
Honestly, if someone doesn't necessarily want the DSP, then why would they even look at the Apollo rather than the UFX or something else? If you only want the preamps/converters, definitely consider getting a more flexible interface and a 4-710D (if the converters are the same). The DSP the whole point to the Apollo, IMO.
Old 26th February 2012
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i would say thunderbolt as well

UFX is limited to USB 2 and FW correct?

plus the apollo will be stackable

UFX not

etc
Old 26th February 2012
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there are stackable FW interfaces and tb is not yet an option. nobody should be jumping on the first tb interface available if thats the main attraction for them. there will be plenty of options soon enough, im sure. i guess everybody has different needs though... or something. if i didn't need want UAD plugins, i wouldn't want the apollo, personally.
Old 26th February 2012
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Honestly, if someone doesn't necessarily want the DSP, then why would they even look at the Apollo rather than the UFX or something else? If you only want the preamps/converters, definitely consider getting a more flexible interface and a 4-710D (if the converters are the same). The DSP the whole point to the Apollo, IMO.
I can only speak for this someone but:
+ Thunderbolt
+ Latency
+ FW hub
+ 4 good preamps
+ Great conversion (someone pointed out early that the Apollo has different conversion specs)

I plan to use very few of the UA plugins ... maybe tape simulators if they are included.

Also, MF lists the Apollo as: "Expected to ship 4/23/12"
Old 26th February 2012
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Old 26th February 2012
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1500 posts and no one heard it yet other than endorsers
Old 26th February 2012
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Originally Posted by smoovemode View Post
I was sold on the Apollo, but now I have second thoughts (since I already have the 4-710d). If the Apollo and 4-710 have the same converters and the 4-710 has better mic preamps, I may get one of those interfaces that have a good set digital connections. This will allow me to use the 4-710 converters instead of the interface converters. Theoretically, this should sound as good or better than the Apollo, without the UAD. If it don't I'll simply sell what I have and get the Apollo. It sounds like 4-710 would be a good match for the Apollo. But, they both do almost the same thing, but one has DA and UAD-2.
With the apollo you can use UAD plugs in your home studio or for live performances (wich is not the same as the Totalmix fx plugs), with no latency.
Like a proper FX rack.
You can't do this with a UAD satellite + UFX.
Old 26th February 2012
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I would much rather stack units and devices with thunderbolt than USB or FW

I think Apogee, MH, and a bunch of others are starting to roll out or announce TB interfaces as well

now thats the hope. if the drivers or stability or sound of this thing dont hold up than something else would be where i look

for me though and my needs this is perfect

i can run the UAD plugs if i want, i have a nice interface that i can finally stack with another, my macbook, external HD's, monitors etc all over TB

but again, i am waiting to hear real world experiences from users and then will try it on my own and decide once i try it, in my room, in my workflow
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Thank you. I remember when these first came out and they were over a grand to purchase. Glad to see they've brought the price back down to earth.

This will be a nice addition when both Pro Tools goes 64-Bit, and the UAD plugins with the Apollo follow suit.

Cheers.
Old 26th February 2012
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let's keep this thread on focus about the Apollo...
Old 26th February 2012
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There's only so much that can said about a product that only exists on paper.
Old 26th February 2012
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There's only so much that can said about a product that only exists on paper.
Is there a prize for people saying really stupid ignorant things?
Old 26th February 2012
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Is there a prize for people saying really stupid ignorant things?
shut up

this thing isn't available to customers yet and people keep complaining about the speculation, or direction conversation turns... it's an unreleased product that's created some excitement. people are going to talk. whine on. since it's nobody's hands, there's going to be opinions from every angle until it's released.
Old 27th February 2012
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as a sound card, and it's latency buffers for VSTI instruments, would be interesting.

Remember this is their first 'soundcard' stability of a soundcard is hard enough, let alone incorporating UAD plugins, / 64 cubase / protools support,

It's entering a very deep area that RME has been dealing with for 15 years.

I hope they nail it, but 'sound card' stability and latency without pops and clicks is many composers first priority,

We'll see what happens.

The only thing this has going for it essentially is the inbuilt UAD interface which requires a ton of money to populate with their plugins.

Time will tell, it's their first soundcard, I hope they nail it!, although i don't have my hopes up.
Old 27th February 2012
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shut up
Make me - by saying something remotely intelligent.

The unit exists and is in production. It's not merely on paper as you so idiotically stated, thus adding nothing to the discussion except your ignorance.

Prove that it only exists on paper or you shut up.
Old 27th February 2012
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What is more worth it? To get this apollo with Pro Tools 10 LE or to get the Pro Tools HD Native with the Omni and just use UAD plug-ins with a Quad?

With the latter you get the benefits of HD, with the former you don't. This is a drag.

Which is a better bet?
Old 27th February 2012
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What is more worth it? To get this apollo with Pro Tools 10 LE or to get the Pro Tools HD Native with the Omni and just use UAD plug-ins with a Quad?

With the latter you get the benefits of HD, with the former you don't. This is a drag.

Which is a better bet?
The latter
Old 27th February 2012
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Got a duo on order but only to see if the hilo ships beforehand. OMG I can play the vaporware game too! These manufacturers' - are they knuckleheads?
Old 27th February 2012
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What is more worth it? To get this apollo with Pro Tools 10 LE or to get the Pro Tools HD Native with the Omni and just use UAD plug-ins with a Quad?

With the latter you get the benefits of HD, with the former you don't. This is a drag.

Which is a better bet?
If you want to monitor (or record) through UAD plugins while tracking, then Apollo is the only option.

BTW, HD Native doesn't have the benefits of HD.
Old 27th February 2012
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What is more worth it? To get this apollo with Pro Tools 10 LE or to get the Pro Tools HD Native with the Omni and just use UAD plug-ins with a Quad?

With the latter you get the benefits of HD, with the former you don't. This is a drag.

Which is a better bet?
Apollo - Duo $2,000 or Quad $2,500
Pro Tool 10 $700
Complete Production Toolkit - $2,000
UAD-2 Satellite Quad $1,500 or Quad Omni $5,000 (with library of UAD plugins minus 3)
Mac - $1500 to $5000 (mac Pro)
Cost - $7,700 to $15,200

or

Pro Tools HD with the Omni and one HDX card - $10,000
UAD-2 Satellite Quad - $1,500 or Quad Omni $5,000
Mac - $1500 to $5000
Cost - $13,000 to $20,000

If your going to be using UAD plugins then you wont really need the HDX cards dsp power unless your using another set of plugins (Waves, Sonnox, etc). And not for nothing, the native versions of those other plugins sound just as good as the HD versions (minus the dsp power) in my opinion. All the other features of Pro Tools HD you can get with the Complete Production Toolkit. Me personally, I feel you can get the same quality mixes and a lot more stuff with the first option for $8,000-$15,000 as you can get with the second option for $13,000-$20,000. Some people feel like if it's not mixed using Pro Tools HD as apposed to Pro Tools native, Logic Pro, etc... it doesn't sound good. The same way some people feel like if it isn't mixed using analog gear (some using strictly analog gear and going to tape) as appose to in the box it doesn't sound good. The Apollo and interfaces like it (dsp and Thunderbolt based interfaces) are the first step in eliminating having to use expensive PCIe cards. I know that's the last thing people who spent big money on Pro Tools HD systems want to hear but all it takes is one huge record to be recorded/mixed with the Apollo and the flood gates will open. The "big boy engineers" are already using UAD plugins so we already know how they sound... If the Apollo performs just as good and even makes using the plugins even better which I'm sure it would, then I'll be glad that I was part of the first group of engineers/musicians that took a gamble with the Apollo. Who ever buys it and doesn't like it like my self can always send it back and get something else...
Old 27th February 2012
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Apollo - Duo $2,000 or Quad $2,500
Pro Tool 10 $700
Complete Production Toolkit - $2,000
UAD-2 Satellite Quad $1,500 or Quad Omni $5,000 (with library of UAD plugins minus 3)
Mac - $1500 to $5000 (mac Pro)
Cost - $7,700 to $15,200

or

Pro Tools HD with the Omni and one HDX card - $10,000
UAD-2 Satellite Quad - $1,500 or Quad Omni $5,000
Mac - $1500 to $5000
Cost - $13,000 to $20,000

If your going to be using UAD plugins then you wont really need the HDX cards dsp power unless your using another set of plugins (Waves, Sonnox, etc). And not for nothing, the native versions of those other plugins sound just as good as the HD versions (minus the dsp power) in my opinion. All the other features of Pro Tools HD you can get with the Complete Production Toolkit. Me personally, I feel you can get the same quality mixes and a lot more stuff with the first option for $8,000-$15,000 as you can get with the second option for $13,000-$20,000. Some people feel like if it's not mixed using Pro Tools HD as apposed to Pro Tools native, Logic Pro, etc... it doesn't sound good. The same way some people feel like if it isn't mixed using analog gear (some using strictly analog gear and going to tape) as appose to in the box it doesn't sound good. The Apollo and interfaces like it (dsp and Thunderbolt based interfaces) are the first step in eliminating having to use expensive PCIe cards. I know that's the last thing people who spent big money on Pro Tools HD systems want to hear but all it takes is one huge record to be recorded/mixed with the Apollo and the flood gates will open. The "big boy engineers" are already using UAD plugins so we already know how they sound... If the Apollo performs just as good and even makes using the plugins even better which I'm sure it would, then I'll be glad that I was part of the first group of engineers/musicians that took a gamble with the Apollo. Who ever buys it and doesn't like it like my self can always send it back and get something else...
HD TDM and HDX give you the advantage of a fully integrated low latency, delay compensated recording environment. That's a huge deal for some of us.

Having to use two different softwares for routing, cue mix, plugins, etc when recording isn't ideal, though for the price difference with non-hd solutions like the Apollo, it might be worth it to some.
But dismissing the advantages of PTHD is a little short sighted in my opinion.
Old 27th February 2012
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HD TDM and HDX give you the advantage of a fully integrated low latency, delay compensated recording environment. That's a huge deal for some of us.

Having to use two different softwares for routing, cue mix, plugins, etc when recording isn't ideal, though for the price difference with non-hd solutions like the Apollo, it might be worth it to some.
But dismissing the advantages of PTHD is a little short sighted in my opinion.
Sorry if I gave the wrong impression. I wasn't trying to dismiss the quality or what you can do with Pro Tools HD... It's definitely a great audio rig that is proven. Was just pointing out the big difference in cost and the fact that with a good set of ears and skills you can accomplish the same thing and get much more at a cheaper price of a Pro Tools HD system. With the option of recording almost latency free using plugins with the Apollo and automatic delay compensation in Pro Tools 10 which may not be completely the same as the HD version but it's just as effective especially with Complete Production Toolkit. With a fully blown Mac and the Apollo connected via Thunderbolt using UAD plugins, your computer is going to run flawlessly while the built in UAD Satellite takes the load off of it leaving a lot of processing power for other plugins if needed... And if you have a extra UAD Satellite connected, it'll just make it even better.

If I could afford getting a HD system and a UAD satellite with some plugins then I would do it but like I said, I feel I can accomplish the same thing with either or so I went with the Apollo Quad & Satellite Quad Omni. Plus the way Avid has been just switching technology and leaving older technology useless or on the verge of being useless, I see them releasing an HD Interface that doesn't need a HD card soon. It'll be a Thunderbolt interface with the HDX card built inside of it the way the Apollo has a Satellite Duo/Quad built in it. It'll probably be after they release Pro Tools 11.

Mac Pro's are on the endangered species list that's why Apple and Intel are pushing thunderbolt which is equivalent to a PCIe slot. Macbook Pro's, iMac's and Mac Mini's are getting stronger and will be stronger then Mac Pro's very soon. If Apple stops making Mac Pro's, why would Avid continue to make PCIe cards (HDX cards)? Sooner then later HDX cards will be almost obsolete like the older HD cards are now. PC's will even have Thunderbolt technology. Eventually Avid will have to come up with a solution, which integrating their HDX card inside of an interface and using Thunderbolt to connect it to your computer would be smart. Buying an HDX card then Avid releasing an HD/Thunderbolt interface next year (which they probably will ) is another reason I went with the Apollo & Satellite. I could be wrong but with UA, Apogee and a couple of other companies releasing/announcing thunderbolt interfaces it's only a matter of time Avid creates/releases one themselves. I might be thinking to far in to the future but I have a feeling I'm right. And if I am, it'll just make the investment I just made even smarter.
Old 27th February 2012
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FYI
You can buy HD10 for $899 and save having to buy the complete "tool" kit for PT10! That'll save you $2000. When you get your Hd or HDX card you won't have to worry about HD software!, waa laa!!!
Your Welcome!
Old 27th February 2012
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FYI
You can buy HD10 for $899 and save having to buy the complete "tool" kit for PT10! That'll save you $2000. When you get your Hd or HDX card you won't have to worry about HD software!, waa laa!!!
Your Welcome!
Please post a link to where we can get PT10HD that will be supported, registered, and allow for upgrades in our Avid accounts for $899.
Old 27th February 2012
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You guys gave me a headake with protools, there are many protools thread, or just create a new one "Protools with or without Apollo?" or whatever...
Let talk about Apollo, UAD plugs, as many of us don't give a fu** about protools...

Cheers
Old 27th February 2012
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Please post a link to where we can get PT10HD that will be supported, registered, and allow for upgrades in our Avid accounts for $899.
eBay my friend. I'm using HD9 without a glitch!!! It's a licence! For example, You can buy HD Native or a HD card and use a FW Interface!! I found this out because I installed HD9 on my laptop a couple years ago and worked great with a Saffire 56 we used to record live! Same thing with HD10! After needing to grab another PT for the laptop one for me one for home (ilok authorizations, does not make sense to have it on the same one) I found for PThD on eBay with an ilok for $499. PT10HD is $899. I wouldn't hesitate one bit! Ofcourse I get all updates. Don't know about support, I don't need it! Haven't needed it since 06.
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